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The port was really shitty, that's why none of my friends got it on PC. 2 of them watched videos on it, and passed on it. I wouldn't want a crappy console port too.
I don't really care about Epic, but at least the PR knew the port itself was bad.
Anyways, time to go replay some End of Eternity, I need a fun technical RPG.
I don't really care about Epic, but at least the PR knew the port itself was bad.
Anyways, time to go replay some End of Eternity, I need a fun technical RPG.
Its a middle class game. There´s no more room for it anymore. I believe it was a guy called Cliffy B. who said that.
Amen to Stealth and Kieran. Games for Windows Live is always a no no for me. I had a hell of a time getting Fallout 3 working and same with Dead Rising 2, I learned my lesson. That along with me hearing it hardly breaks 8 hours and get repetitive after fours, just made me not wanna even give it a shot.
Hell it was on steam a week ago for $5 and I still passed it up. I thought about it, but to many downsides.
Hell it was on steam a week ago for $5 and I still passed it up. I thought about it, but to many downsides.
All you have to do is play any of the Gears of War series online to see why Epic can blame nothing but themselves for shit sales. GoW is my favorite series competitively, but it's fucking ass-tier online when compared to most multiplayer games.
Also the game played like crap on the PC, bad port and Games For Windows Live work like crap. Try to get the game to work was a pain in the butt and the game was just avg.
I just never bothered buying on the PC. Didn't pirate either but that's still a lost sale right?
I mean, if publishers could come up with some kind of proof of how many copies of a game get pirated then I might pay attention. But this just smacks of "PC game didn't sell to expectations, probably because people pirated it, right?"
I mean, if publishers could come up with some kind of proof of how many copies of a game get pirated then I might pay attention. But this just smacks of "PC game didn't sell to expectations, probably because people pirated it, right?"
I'm glad they specifically state "It wasn't the best PC port." and then jump directly to Piracy as the reason the game didn't sell well.
It didn't sell well because it wasn't fun. Period. It wasn't a great game.
It didn't sell well because it wasn't fun. Period. It wasn't a great game.
I actually bought it, and you know what, it was pretty damn mediocre! And I remember the PC port being a pile of shit, take some of the blame Capps, pirates are a static entity that will always be there wether your game is amazing or not. Take skyrim for example, the game was pirated to shit, but became the fastest selling title in steam's history, we will pay for quality, worthwhile PC games, and I wish I could get my $60 back for bullet storm.
CBunn blames repetitiveness for Bulletstorm's disappointing sales.
It was fun, for about 2 minutes. In the demo.
It was fun, for about 2 minutes. In the demo.
Really don't understand why we have to act like dicks to devs who suggest there might be reasons why their games didn't sell very well. I mean, the guy straight up said "it wasn't the best PC port ever." He takes responsibility. This isn't a guy making excuses. He's just saying "ya know what else might have something to do with it, though? it was pirated a lot."
Why does that necessitate being an ass to the guy and making fun of him? It's not even remotely possible that there might have been SOME lost sales to piracy? I don't think anyone would argue that 100% of pirated copies are lost sales, but does anyone really think it's 0%?
Meh.
Why does that necessitate being an ass to the guy and making fun of him? It's not even remotely possible that there might have been SOME lost sales to piracy? I don't think anyone would argue that 100% of pirated copies are lost sales, but does anyone really think it's 0%?
Meh.
Wait wait hold the phone for a second. Piracy is an issue on PC I will nod to that but I can assure you that both Gears of War 1 PC and Bulletstorm PC are fairly difficult to pirate.
Not impossible mind you but you have to do more than just download game + get exe crack. You have to get a program that spoofs your Windows registry and another that fakes the authentication system. Neither of which are beyond getting but neither of which are within the average gamer's ability to get working and without headache. I know this because I had to use the crack to get my legit copy of GoW1 PC working and it still does not work so well. All and all you have to really, really, really put up with a shit ton of headache to pirate Bulletstorm on PC.
So either Mike Capps is lying or he looked at a torrent site and said "My monez!" in which case he is stupid. So I mean which is it? Lying or stupid? Let us just be honest here, Mike: Bulletstorm had abysmal marketing on PC, it became a PR nightmare because of the demo and not helped by Cliff trolling PC gamers and to top it all off it was a half working port that came with a critically derided and despised service that in itself was a chore to get working.
Also this is not even 24 hours when I commented that "Epic sends mixed messages to the PC" since the last quackery from Capps was how their next game was PC exclusive.
Seriously, lying, stupid or something in between. Either way not something that helps their image in my view.
Not impossible mind you but you have to do more than just download game + get exe crack. You have to get a program that spoofs your Windows registry and another that fakes the authentication system. Neither of which are beyond getting but neither of which are within the average gamer's ability to get working and without headache. I know this because I had to use the crack to get my legit copy of GoW1 PC working and it still does not work so well. All and all you have to really, really, really put up with a shit ton of headache to pirate Bulletstorm on PC.
So either Mike Capps is lying or he looked at a torrent site and said "My monez!" in which case he is stupid. So I mean which is it? Lying or stupid? Let us just be honest here, Mike: Bulletstorm had abysmal marketing on PC, it became a PR nightmare because of the demo and not helped by Cliff trolling PC gamers and to top it all off it was a half working port that came with a critically derided and despised service that in itself was a chore to get working.
Also this is not even 24 hours when I commented that "Epic sends mixed messages to the PC" since the last quackery from Capps was how their next game was PC exclusive.
Seriously, lying, stupid or something in between. Either way not something that helps their image in my view.
It was a game built on a repetitive trick shot mechanic, marketed at people's inner meat head. And we're supposed to just gobble it up? More like People Can Fail.
I saw it on a steam sale the other week, I was sooo ready to click buy. But, as my nature is, I always check the steam forums for any title I'm about to drop cash on. And what did I find? Tons of complaints about how crappy the port is, how the .ini files need to be edited to make the game playable in some cases, and how those .ini files are encrypted and need a 3rd party app to edit, and etc... and etc...
Then I asked myself, do I waste my time on this "broken port" or do I just continue going through my backlog of games some of which are "amazing ports" like Batman Arkham Asylum GOTY. The answer was obvious.
What really bums me out is that Bulletstorm really sounds like my kind of game and I'm sure I would absolutely love it, even if I beat it and never touched it again... which would have justified the sale purchase.
EA, learn to polish your games not just your wallets.
Then I asked myself, do I waste my time on this "broken port" or do I just continue going through my backlog of games some of which are "amazing ports" like Batman Arkham Asylum GOTY. The answer was obvious.
What really bums me out is that Bulletstorm really sounds like my kind of game and I'm sure I would absolutely love it, even if I beat it and never touched it again... which would have justified the sale purchase.
EA, learn to polish your games not just your wallets.
It was a game built on a repetitive trick shot mechanic, marketed at people's inner meat head. And we're supposed to just gobble it up? More like People Can Fail.
@Tristix: I wouldn't doubt it's at least in the 90 percentile range. I don't pirate(because I'm lazy and don't really PC game), so I just skip titles completely. I know people who do pirate who would not buy it anyway, especially after playing some of the crap that's released(this game) nowadays. All anecdotal of course, but the developers claims of lost sales due to piracy aren't founded in anything resembling a solid, researched fact as well.
I admit I pirated it but since I only played it halfway through or what I expect to be halfway through (may just as well be the end) I found it quite boring and the supposedly creative kills always came to the same low effort high point kills. the game was also to easy even on the highest difficulty setting. I would not have bought the game even if I was 100% unable to pirate games. there may be games where this is different and I bettered myself quite a bit since then (I now wait till the game is on sale for little money and buy it instead of pirating it from launch)
@usedtabe
"All anecdotal of course, but the developers claims of lost sales due to piracy aren't founded in anything resembling a solid, researched fact as well."
Well no, but we don't expect these people to never say anything but what they've done extensive studies on, do we? I mean, if the dude has the impression that piracy might have maybe cost him a few sales here and there and hurt his bottom line, why is he such a dick for saying so that most of the comments on this post have been negative, some to the point of outright abusive?
"All anecdotal of course, but the developers claims of lost sales due to piracy aren't founded in anything resembling a solid, researched fact as well."
Well no, but we don't expect these people to never say anything but what they've done extensive studies on, do we? I mean, if the dude has the impression that piracy might have maybe cost him a few sales here and there and hurt his bottom line, why is he such a dick for saying so that most of the comments on this post have been negative, some to the point of outright abusive?
A great and underrated game. The action is great (albeit somewhat generic) and the sense of humor is the best, the protagonist is a plain loosemouthed asshole (explains my instant identification with him). Bottomline, it's full of thrills and laughs. Underrated becaus of this cult of retarded "oh it brings nothing new" or "oh it has too many swear words and violence", and also prejudice for GFWL (which really suck, please devs stop using it)
You only have to look at the PC leaderboards to get a grip on how pirated the game was. Probably something Jim hasn't bothered to look into further, but will bad-mouth it all the same.
Game was awesome, far from average, totaly deserves a sequel for those that loved the story and didn't treat it as generic FPS.
Game was awesome, far from average, totaly deserves a sequel for those that loved the story and didn't treat it as generic FPS.
Yeah piracy, it had nothing to do with it being a crap port of a mediocre game belonging to the currently most over saturated genre on the planet.
Nope PIRACY.
Nope PIRACY.
@ Tristrix
Because it has been proven that good games sell on PC regardless of piracy. For them to keep bringing it up is a complete insult and nothing but a lame scapegoat to gloss over how badly they handled the game on PC.
Piracy on PC is simply a cost of doing business. It's not an excuse to justify why something did badly. Yes, some of those pirate may have bought the game if they couldn't pirate the game. But such a point isn't even worth mentioning because the PC market still works on the same concept that good games sell and bad ones don't.
Bulletstorm didn't sell on PC. Why? Because it wasn't very good and they need to deal with it and not bring up piracy and try and point the finger at the consumer. It's not our fault they screwed up on their product.
Because it has been proven that good games sell on PC regardless of piracy. For them to keep bringing it up is a complete insult and nothing but a lame scapegoat to gloss over how badly they handled the game on PC.
Piracy on PC is simply a cost of doing business. It's not an excuse to justify why something did badly. Yes, some of those pirate may have bought the game if they couldn't pirate the game. But such a point isn't even worth mentioning because the PC market still works on the same concept that good games sell and bad ones don't.
Bulletstorm didn't sell on PC. Why? Because it wasn't very good and they need to deal with it and not bring up piracy and try and point the finger at the consumer. It's not our fault they screwed up on their product.
I bought the game on sale through Steam, downloaded, installed and found I had to create a Windows Live account to play the game. No big deal except I have to sign into both Steam and Windows Live to be able to play, what an unnecessary pain in the ass. Game wise I thought the language was a bit over the top, there wasn't enough variety in the enemies, there was too much hand holding, (press spacebar here) the levels were too linear, and the single player campaign was way too short for the pace of the game. The game itself looks beautiful and I think they wasted alot of potential by staying linear. And oh yeah, pirates, always pirates.
@qlum
"I bettered myself quite a bit since then (I now wait till the game is on sale for little money and buy it instead of pirating it from launch)"
Thank you for that. Seriously, no sarcasm, I mean it. Thank you.
"I bettered myself quite a bit since then (I now wait till the game is on sale for little money and buy it instead of pirating it from launch)"
Thank you for that. Seriously, no sarcasm, I mean it. Thank you.
I really hate how everyone assumes their PC game doesn't do well due to piracy. Perhaps it doesn't sell because the market was not interested in a piss poor console port after trying the demo?
I tried the demo and could hardly get through it, I found it so boring & it did feel like a shitty port. Metacritic users (310 ratings) rated it 7.4 which is not horrible but not great either. Pirates can pirate any game, right? So why do some games sell really well on PC, even with no DRM? Make a game that is worth buying at the price your selling it for.
Yeah, newsflash: publishers. It's not 1995 anymore. In a market saturated with shooters releasing a shooter who's hook is vulgarity and "OMG swear words" is not enough to sell and establish a new IP. Especially at full retail price.
I know it's hard but try, reeeaaallllyyy try, to be creative, original, and don't release rushed shit like Dragon Age 2 or Mass effect 3.
I think you'll find it refreshing how if you actually treat your customers well that said customers will reward you with their loyalty and dollars. The inverse is what EA and Bioware are going through now. A loss of reputation, trust, and in turn a loss of dollars.
I know it's hard but try, reeeaaallllyyy try, to be creative, original, and don't release rushed shit like Dragon Age 2 or Mass effect 3.
I think you'll find it refreshing how if you actually treat your customers well that said customers will reward you with their loyalty and dollars. The inverse is what EA and Bioware are going through now. A loss of reputation, trust, and in turn a loss of dollars.
Personally I loved Bulletstorm, but I don't remember it having much advertising, or any hype machine a la Peter Molyneux style.
@Tristix:
Timboxxx explained it perfectly in his reply. The whole "OMG PIRACY" things reeks of bullshit, even more so in this case based off of what he relayed.
Timboxxx explained it perfectly in his reply. The whole "OMG PIRACY" things reeks of bullshit, even more so in this case based off of what he relayed.
I remember the PC port being a piece of shit. When you would look down the sights with a mouse and keyboard the sensitivity was off the wall. You pretty much could only play this thing with a 360 controller in order to make it satisfying.
@Drakengard
Dude, I'd respond to you, but with all due respect, I don't think you actually read anything I wrote. Really, I don't mean to have a go at you, but you're talking about making excuses when my whole point was how that isn't the case, and dismissing the cost of doing business when that's exactly what we're talking about in the first place. I can't find anything in your post to get hold of and respond to, but I did want to acknowledge that you at least contributed.
Dude, I'd respond to you, but with all due respect, I don't think you actually read anything I wrote. Really, I don't mean to have a go at you, but you're talking about making excuses when my whole point was how that isn't the case, and dismissing the cost of doing business when that's exactly what we're talking about in the first place. I can't find anything in your post to get hold of and respond to, but I did want to acknowledge that you at least contributed.
I played the demo and it sucked, Mike Capps sucks, and his entire company sucks.
Epic's answer: Don't release any more demos.
Real answer: Stop making sucky games and treating PC users like retards.
Epic's answer: Don't release any more demos.
Real answer: Stop making sucky games and treating PC users like retards.
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