surf dtoid with 
Rising (10+)
People you follow
.05 percent? Really? If it was honestly even that small I doubt they would even issue such a statement. Seems like damage control on their part. :\
I think I liked rocksteady more before this whole DLC fiasco started.
I think I liked rocksteady more before this whole DLC fiasco started.
I wish content was put in disk as incentives to keep playing. You can't even unlock all dvds weapons in Bayonetta without beating the game 4+ times (100 missions) and unlocking /defeating a hidden boss that costs millions of halos. This so-called incentive to buy new is only driving me to wait for a GotY edition, and buy it used.
They already listed the fix for the codes and it's complete bullshit for paying customers.
A dated proof of purchase (receipt, invoice) showing the purchase of a NEW copy of the game (not a rented or used copy, nor a copy purchased from eBay)
Your gamertag for Xbox Live, or your profile for the PSN
Your email address
A scan or digital picture of the package and game disc(s)
A scan or digital picture of the code sheet (both sides).
Way to treat your new customers right Warner
A dated proof of purchase (receipt, invoice) showing the purchase of a NEW copy of the game (not a rented or used copy, nor a copy purchased from eBay)
Your gamertag for Xbox Live, or your profile for the PSN
Your email address
A scan or digital picture of the package and game disc(s)
A scan or digital picture of the code sheet (both sides).
Way to treat your new customers right Warner
I wish folks would quit blaming Rocksteady. It's my understanding that this was pushed on them by wb and they hate it as much as us.
Just wait. Out of all the big name games coming out this holiday season (Skyrim, BF3, CoD3, UC3, etc), Batman probably has the least replay value. Not that it’s a bad game, but once most people beat it, they probably won’t play it again. Lots of copies will end up getting sold back to gamestop, which is exactly why they are doing these ‘buy it new’ codes. I bet it also means that they will be dropping the price by $20 before xmas.
You said in your review that the Catwoman sections don't affect the game much, but I've heard from other people that apparently she (and possibly Robin) affects the story significantly. It's an ugly situation all around.
"Having a small percentage of problems isn't an excuse, not when it's a problem that never needed to happen in the first place."
Spot. Fucking. On. When you create the potential for problems with actions meant specifically to milk more money out of existing product with zero legitimate justification, you are the only one responsible when something goes wrong.
The only way to "fix" this problem is to not create the potential for one in the first place.
Spot. Fucking. On. When you create the potential for problems with actions meant specifically to milk more money out of existing product with zero legitimate justification, you are the only one responsible when something goes wrong.
The only way to "fix" this problem is to not create the potential for one in the first place.
You know, instead of just bitching about it in a comments section that the publishers will never actually read, you could do something that they will actually notice and not buy the game.
No one pays attention to people whining on a website because the majority of those people buy the game anyways. There's no reason to address their complaints as they've already given up their money, and have shown that they will do it again. But if a game is a commercial flop, the company will research why, and if the prevailing reason is "I didn't want to go to 17 places for skins, or have part of the single player campaign locked out because you didn't print a last-minute-decision code properly," they'll actually think twice about doing it again.
Of course, this is all just wishful thinking, as I know tons of people already bought this game and just don't give a shit as "Hey, I bought it new, it doesn't affect me any, stop your bitching."
Looking at how things are moving forward, I think I'm very glad I still have my old systems to play, as I don't feel I want to support an industry that treats customers this way in the future.
No one pays attention to people whining on a website because the majority of those people buy the game anyways. There's no reason to address their complaints as they've already given up their money, and have shown that they will do it again. But if a game is a commercial flop, the company will research why, and if the prevailing reason is "I didn't want to go to 17 places for skins, or have part of the single player campaign locked out because you didn't print a last-minute-decision code properly," they'll actually think twice about doing it again.
Of course, this is all just wishful thinking, as I know tons of people already bought this game and just don't give a shit as "Hey, I bought it new, it doesn't affect me any, stop your bitching."
Looking at how things are moving forward, I think I'm very glad I still have my old systems to play, as I don't feel I want to support an industry that treats customers this way in the future.
Why don't they do what Driver:SF did and realize it was a bullshit idea to begin with and just make it free like it should have been?
Ya know if it was just Rocksteady and not Warner Brothers handling the problem I bet they would just release a patch that would just unlock it for everyone regardless of whether its preowned, rented or bought new and just take it on the chin and learn not to pull this stunt again.
Well, when the campaign starts with you playing as Catwoman, I'd assume that it's necessary content...
.5% of people have told them of the problem and it's only been...a week or so since launch? I'm sure that number isn't quite as small as they think it is. It doesn't account for those gamers that don't know how to bitch to somebody.
"gamers that don't know how to bitch to somebody."
Does such a person even exist? I'm pretty sure bitching is the first skill a gamer learns, right before learning how to use the analog stick.
Does such a person even exist? I'm pretty sure bitching is the first skill a gamer learns, right before learning how to use the analog stick.
The game is constantly freezing my PS3, is this happening on xbox? If not, I'll trade this copy for the other console
@manasteel88
@Tristrix
Everyone knows how to bitch; many people have no idea how to bitch at the right person.
@Tristrix
Everyone knows how to bitch; many people have no idea how to bitch at the right person.
It's all your fault Clowbog Beborp that this all happens.
You were sabotaging codes and fucking shit up from the get go.
Hell you're probably why we have online passes now.
If anyone wants to complain direct it at him.
He's the cause for what all is wrong in the gaming industry I know it.
You were sabotaging codes and fucking shit up from the get go.
Hell you're probably why we have online passes now.
If anyone wants to complain direct it at him.
He's the cause for what all is wrong in the gaming industry I know it.
I didn't buy the game when I found about the code.
It's even shittier that you make these codes and it still affects people who bought it the way the publisher wanted them to buy it. If you're going to start doing something like this, at least make it work. The amount of people affected by it is irrelevant.
We get games that are bugged to shit on release, get shitty drm, online passes and ones that even reached single player games and some of them don't work.
It's becoming harder and harder for me to become excited about new games coming out.
It's even shittier that you make these codes and it still affects people who bought it the way the publisher wanted them to buy it. If you're going to start doing something like this, at least make it work. The amount of people affected by it is irrelevant.
We get games that are bugged to shit on release, get shitty drm, online passes and ones that even reached single player games and some of them don't work.
It's becoming harder and harder for me to become excited about new games coming out.
@manasteel88
Its only been 3 days....
@Tristrix
I learned how to have fun first, but that was back in 1986.. Bitching honestly only showed up in my skill set this cycle : /
Its only been 3 days....
@Tristrix
I learned how to have fun first, but that was back in 1986.. Bitching honestly only showed up in my skill set this cycle : /
@tristix
"it doesn't affect me so it's not a problem!!!"
Between this, and all of us offline gamers getting screwed over as collateral damage, this whole situation has been bullshit and you know it. But go ahead and keep riding on your own high horse with comments like these "don't mean to be dismissive of my fellow hobbyists as I'm sure this stuff is important to you at the moment, but while you guys are ranting about the hot button issue of the week, I'll be playing Arkham City and Skyrim. Guess who will be having more fun?" but still spending your time online telling people who got legitimately screwed over that they are "bitching."
"it doesn't affect me so it's not a problem!!!"
Between this, and all of us offline gamers getting screwed over as collateral damage, this whole situation has been bullshit and you know it. But go ahead and keep riding on your own high horse with comments like these "don't mean to be dismissive of my fellow hobbyists as I'm sure this stuff is important to you at the moment, but while you guys are ranting about the hot button issue of the week, I'll be playing Arkham City and Skyrim. Guess who will be having more fun?" but still spending your time online telling people who got legitimately screwed over that they are "bitching."
Mine got resolved by MS within minutes, but putting in the game and having on the disc woulda been so much better
@llort het
I genuinely see no capacity in you to relax and enjoy a video game. Seriously, look through your own comments page and behold what a freakin buzzkill you are, dude. That's exactly what I was trying to say to you and people like you in the comment you quoted. You are, quite honestly, histrionic sticks in the mud.
Ease up a bit. Play video games. Try to have some fun. This doesn't have to be so damned serious all the time.
I genuinely see no capacity in you to relax and enjoy a video game. Seriously, look through your own comments page and behold what a freakin buzzkill you are, dude. That's exactly what I was trying to say to you and people like you in the comment you quoted. You are, quite honestly, histrionic sticks in the mud.
Ease up a bit. Play video games. Try to have some fun. This doesn't have to be so damned serious all the time.
@Jawmuncher
NOOOOO MY DARK SECRET REVEALED
@Tristrix
Not to be a dick here or anything (honest,) but if you're so unaffected by online passes, then why are you commenting on posts and attacking anyone who doesn't like them? If they truly don't affect you, then you shouldn't care about them existing or not existing, and as such, shouldn't really have a horse in this race.
...
Why does it keep coming back to horses? Those things are evil.
NOOOOO MY DARK SECRET REVEALED
@Tristrix
Not to be a dick here or anything (honest,) but if you're so unaffected by online passes, then why are you commenting on posts and attacking anyone who doesn't like them? If they truly don't affect you, then you shouldn't care about them existing or not existing, and as such, shouldn't really have a horse in this race.
...
Why does it keep coming back to horses? Those things are evil.
@Clowbog
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME SO IT ISN'T A PROBLEM... apparently.
Seriously though, it's cool for people to be annoyed at whatever. It's even cool for people to bitch about it in the comments. No problem with that whatsoever. My only problem is with people that get evangelical about it. You wanna be pissed off? Fine, be pissed off. I'm just tired of the suggestion that me not being pissed off is somehow the root of your problems. Ya know?
So yeah, frankly Clowbog I felt like you got a bit preachy and condescending earlier. Yeah, I bought Batman new and plan to buy Uncharted 3 new and a whole host of other games with online passes. No, frankly I don't give a damn whatsoever how that affects you or anyone else, with all due respect. I'm going to continue buying and playing the games I enjoy, new or used or however the hell I like, and I'm going to continue not letting what, to me, are silly little quibbles prevent me from enjoying good video games.
You guys are free to engage in whatever vidjya gaem crusades you like. Just... leave me out of it, yeah? Stop acting like it's somehow my duty as a gamer to do whatever you tell me to do. Because like I said in the quote llort het copypasta'd from me, while you're busy raging, I'll be busy playing Batman. Lets leave it at that.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME SO IT ISN'T A PROBLEM... apparently.
Seriously though, it's cool for people to be annoyed at whatever. It's even cool for people to bitch about it in the comments. No problem with that whatsoever. My only problem is with people that get evangelical about it. You wanna be pissed off? Fine, be pissed off. I'm just tired of the suggestion that me not being pissed off is somehow the root of your problems. Ya know?
So yeah, frankly Clowbog I felt like you got a bit preachy and condescending earlier. Yeah, I bought Batman new and plan to buy Uncharted 3 new and a whole host of other games with online passes. No, frankly I don't give a damn whatsoever how that affects you or anyone else, with all due respect. I'm going to continue buying and playing the games I enjoy, new or used or however the hell I like, and I'm going to continue not letting what, to me, are silly little quibbles prevent me from enjoying good video games.
You guys are free to engage in whatever vidjya gaem crusades you like. Just... leave me out of it, yeah? Stop acting like it's somehow my duty as a gamer to do whatever you tell me to do. Because like I said in the quote llort het copypasta'd from me, while you're busy raging, I'll be busy playing Batman. Lets leave it at that.
@tristix
Seems like you're personally offended because we "apparently" demand of you to fight game companies. I've never said that and I don't think clowbog ever attacked you when you attacked him. All of the gamers affected by this never attacked you when you called them whiny babies. Like I said, keep riding your high horse, because you're NOT busy playing batman, you're busy inserting yourself into comments sections (the second person in I might add) and insulting people who aren't as fortunate as you.
If you ended up getting an empty code sheet, or didn't have your console hooked up to the internet, I wouldn't be so surprised if I didn't see you in these comments with us.
Seems like you're personally offended because we "apparently" demand of you to fight game companies. I've never said that and I don't think clowbog ever attacked you when you attacked him. All of the gamers affected by this never attacked you when you called them whiny babies. Like I said, keep riding your high horse, because you're NOT busy playing batman, you're busy inserting yourself into comments sections (the second person in I might add) and insulting people who aren't as fortunate as you.
If you ended up getting an empty code sheet, or didn't have your console hooked up to the internet, I wouldn't be so surprised if I didn't see you in these comments with us.
"In fact, people who are willing to condone the shitty practices of game developers are the real people who don't care about the game industry IMO."
That was you, llort het, in a recent TtWaV post. You're exactly the kind of evangelical bitcher I'm referring to. You're the second worst person on this site for that behavior, in fact. The only reason you're not first is because at least you didn't resort to name calling like EKGProd did.
Some of us just don't want to drink your Kool-Aid. Stop insisting.
That was you, llort het, in a recent TtWaV post. You're exactly the kind of evangelical bitcher I'm referring to. You're the second worst person on this site for that behavior, in fact. The only reason you're not first is because at least you didn't resort to name calling like EKGProd did.
Some of us just don't want to drink your Kool-Aid. Stop insisting.
@tristix,
yes maybe I went a little far in that comment, but that was partly because the general message of that article was that I didn't care about the game industry BECAUSE I was complaining about these online passes and such.
I'm sorry if I ever made you feel like you had to drink the kool-aid, but that doesn't change the fact that there are people legitimately screwed over by this, and you were the second person in this comments section preemptively insulting people who did nothing to deserve it. If you really are too busy enjoying your games to care, you shouldn't be complaining as much as we are, and you shouldn't tell people to get off their high horse, when they legitimately want to improve things.
yes maybe I went a little far in that comment, but that was partly because the general message of that article was that I didn't care about the game industry BECAUSE I was complaining about these online passes and such.
I'm sorry if I ever made you feel like you had to drink the kool-aid, but that doesn't change the fact that there are people legitimately screwed over by this, and you were the second person in this comments section preemptively insulting people who did nothing to deserve it. If you really are too busy enjoying your games to care, you shouldn't be complaining as much as we are, and you shouldn't tell people to get off their high horse, when they legitimately want to improve things.
You know, when CCP started adding DLC to EVE, the community went into straight uproar mode. The thread on the forum was hundreds of pages long, and subscriptions started dropping like flies in a firestorm. After a few months, CCP releases a full on apology, and accepts responsibility for doing something that the community simply found unacceptable.
The DLC was cosmetic.
Dedicated gamers, these "evangelists", these "bitchers", these gamers and their offensive behavior changed the very landscape of their game of choice simply by speaking up and out. They forced no one to join their fight, the community simply coalesced into a singularly large mass and acted in what they perceived to be their best interest, and no one else's. No apathy, or apologies, or sycophantic diatribes, simply gamers acting in their best interest.
It is not about getting people to believe as you do, it is about convincing them to put themselves first. There is no need for the cult of gaming and its digital battered wife syndrome. There is no need to put your best interest behind those of the people selling you something. We, as a group, need not allow ourselves to be subject to anything that does not benefit us. Whether or not any of the recent industry jabs at the consumer directly effect you is less important than the fact that it invariably effects us. Most of all, there need not be divisions among gamers, not least of which divisions created by the industry we are so passionate about supporting.
In my mind, how you buy your games is inconsequential. The fact that you buy games to begin with is what matters to me, regardless of how you do so. People like Tristix don't want any part in defending other gamers, as they don't feel like its their fight. That's fine, it wouldn't stop people like me from defending them if the industry ever moved in on something close to them. A gamer with an opposing opinion is worth more to me than a corporation attempting to screw them.
EVE's community proved itself more important than trying to create more revenue from existing product, and I bet the feeling they had when they realized they had won was something most of us here in console land will never come across.
The DLC was cosmetic.
Dedicated gamers, these "evangelists", these "bitchers", these gamers and their offensive behavior changed the very landscape of their game of choice simply by speaking up and out. They forced no one to join their fight, the community simply coalesced into a singularly large mass and acted in what they perceived to be their best interest, and no one else's. No apathy, or apologies, or sycophantic diatribes, simply gamers acting in their best interest.
It is not about getting people to believe as you do, it is about convincing them to put themselves first. There is no need for the cult of gaming and its digital battered wife syndrome. There is no need to put your best interest behind those of the people selling you something. We, as a group, need not allow ourselves to be subject to anything that does not benefit us. Whether or not any of the recent industry jabs at the consumer directly effect you is less important than the fact that it invariably effects us. Most of all, there need not be divisions among gamers, not least of which divisions created by the industry we are so passionate about supporting.
In my mind, how you buy your games is inconsequential. The fact that you buy games to begin with is what matters to me, regardless of how you do so. People like Tristix don't want any part in defending other gamers, as they don't feel like its their fight. That's fine, it wouldn't stop people like me from defending them if the industry ever moved in on something close to them. A gamer with an opposing opinion is worth more to me than a corporation attempting to screw them.
EVE's community proved itself more important than trying to create more revenue from existing product, and I bet the feeling they had when they realized they had won was something most of us here in console land will never come across.
@Tristrix
@llort het
Look, both of you have your points, and despite being on the "Online passes are bad" side of the argument I can understand the "It doesn't affect me so why should I care" side just as easily, as it's one I adopt in many other things in life.
I'm not going to sit here and say "ANYONE SUPPORTING PASSES HATES GAMES" and if I have implied that anywhere in the past, well I'm sorry. Wasn't my intention at all. My only real point is the more complacent you are about things, the less right you have to complain or have your voice heard about other things in the future. Are online passes in video games a pretty silly and insignificant thing to rail against in 2011? Damn straight they are - there's a lot of bigger problems in the world than a corporation deciding they want an extra $10 out of people if they want to pretend to be an acrobatic woman with cat ears and breasts far too large to actually be that acrobatic, but I'm not informed enough about the rest of them to be able to make a valid argument. Sure, that doesn't stop most people (hi OccupyEverythingers!) but it does stop me. I know I won't change the world, but as long as I stick to what I feel is right, and do my best to have intelligent debates about it, then I feel better about myself and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.
Oh, and can we please stop bringing up horses? I'm having flashbacks here, and not the good kind designed by French people.
@llort het
Look, both of you have your points, and despite being on the "Online passes are bad" side of the argument I can understand the "It doesn't affect me so why should I care" side just as easily, as it's one I adopt in many other things in life.
I'm not going to sit here and say "ANYONE SUPPORTING PASSES HATES GAMES" and if I have implied that anywhere in the past, well I'm sorry. Wasn't my intention at all. My only real point is the more complacent you are about things, the less right you have to complain or have your voice heard about other things in the future. Are online passes in video games a pretty silly and insignificant thing to rail against in 2011? Damn straight they are - there's a lot of bigger problems in the world than a corporation deciding they want an extra $10 out of people if they want to pretend to be an acrobatic woman with cat ears and breasts far too large to actually be that acrobatic, but I'm not informed enough about the rest of them to be able to make a valid argument. Sure, that doesn't stop most people (hi OccupyEverythingers!) but it does stop me. I know I won't change the world, but as long as I stick to what I feel is right, and do my best to have intelligent debates about it, then I feel better about myself and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.
Oh, and can we please stop bringing up horses? I'm having flashbacks here, and not the good kind designed by French people.
I dunno....I see the way Blizzard is rewarding WOW subscribers with a free copy of Diablo 3, then I compare that to the way that other companies are using online passes in an effort to make up for the used game money. I know it's a different situation, but to me, it seems like Blizzard's approach would be more effective in drawing people in than the online passes. Rewards tend to work better than punishments. Just my two cents.
I'm so glad my codes work ok. It sucks for the poor buggers who have blank DLC slips or just broken codes. This shouldn't have happened.
This code thing make it a no buy, I new this crap would happen. Publisher that treat there customer like will not get my money!
That's why you don't use a code system because look what it did to PC gaming ? Nearly went into the crapper until digital distribution came along and saved it. If they're so paranoid of people ripping of the game then they should release the game FULL with everything on it in a limited amount on disc and have the rest available for download.
follow
