Sometimes controversy pops up in the most unlikely of places -- even Middle-earth.
When approached by Salon with the issue of why same-sex marriage is not allowed in the recently released MMO Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar, a designer from Turbine (the game’s developer) had this to say:
The rule that we tried to follow across the board was: if there's an example of it in the book, the door is open to explore it. Very rarely will you see an elf and a human hook up, but it does happen; the door is open. Dwarves don't intermarry with hobbits; that door is shut ... Did two male hobbits ever hook up in the shire and have little hobbit civil unions? No. The door is shut.
But aren’t people buying this game to be able to do whatever they want and expand their experiences beyond those found in the book? Who wants boundaries in their MMOs?
Of course, all real world topics cannot be addressed in the context of a video game. Things would end up a convoluted mess and more than a little preachy.
I would never want Middle-earth to be plagued with global warming, forcing all of your elves and orcs to have to recycle in order to maintain a healthy virtual environment. But at the same time, I do feel like designers have some moral responsibility to include some real life issues in their games, especially concerning MMOs, since players are more or less playing a fictionalized counterpart of themselves.
Discrimination based on sexual orientation is already a problem in online gaming. Words like “faggot” and “gay” are commonplace, even heard during something as harmless as a round of UNO on Xbox Live. Who knew playing a Draw Four made you a homosexual? Quick, someone warn Mattel!
The main issue here is not that Turbine avoided any effort to make its Lord of the Rings MMO more gay friendly (that would be silly) – it is that they made a blatant effort to make it less accessible by taken out the option of same-sex marriage.
Why was it taken out? Do the people at Turbine think it too wrong or disgusting to include? Maybe not, but then why not offer the option? At some point someone had to make the call that it wasn’t appropriate for the final product. Saying that it “wasn’t in the book” seems like the easy answer. Hell, anti-gay activists say a marriage between two people of the same sex is not it their “book” either and does that make them right?
Waving a big liberal flag about this issue doesn’t solve anything and, honestly, all parties involved may have had no intention of discriminating against anyone. Ironically, the producers at Turbine may have taken same-sex marriage out to avoid all of this hullabaloo in the first place. But the intentional exclusion of something like this raises some interesting questions that really should be addressed.
Video games are one of the most successful forms of entertainment, even grossing more than the film industry the last two years. With that many people playing (even living) these games, what kind of mass message does the industry send with a decision like this? Should we, as a generation of gamers, even waste our time worrying about it? If we want people to respect video games as more than mindless entertainment I think we do.
If two male hobbits want to get married in virtual Middle-earth, honestly, who are we to stop them? Heck, haven’t worldwide audiences and respected Oscar voters accepted it already?
I don't think we should. I can certainly see the rationale behind the decision, but even if I couldn't, I don't really see what the big deal is. I support gay marriage as much as the next guy (which is to say probably more than the average American), but I feel like the inclusion of gay marriage in a LOTR game would be purely a result of conforming to the expectations of the politically correct crowd. It would be sort of like having black or Latino Hobbits: sure it's politically correct, but what's the point?
Unfortunately, isn't anywhere close to the level of maturity that the film industry is at. I'm sure anyone who plays on Xbox Live would find out pretty quick where that level really is. I can boil in rage as much as I want, but I know I am quite a minority and I'll just have to be patient for now. Gamers might be immature, but I would at least expect some more maturity out of game makers!
They're not gay. They're hobbits
Personally, I don't think anyone should be allowed to get married in an MMO, simply because it shows that you are a sad, sad person by doing so.
you ARE gay.
If they hadn't at some point said "GAYS! LOL! FUCK THEM" (which they obviously did, it's not in the book? Bullshit, look at Sam and Frodo.) Then it wouldn't be an issue, the fact that they did say that at some point means that we should go to their headquarters and burn it the fuck down. Then they'll learn what it's like to be a flaming homo[sapien]
BUWAHAHAHAHA!
Fuckers...
Wow, derogatory much?
Just marry everyone to everyone else, and nobody can complain. Until all 3,500,000 of your wives start nagging you about how late you're staying out, and how you never take any of them anywhere, or how you never buy them flowers, and how you're not paying enough attention to them... And then, "Are you millions of men you even listening? That's it, you're all sleeping on the couch tonight."
Ugh, nevermind. Online marriage FTL.
Suck it up. This isn't the real wold.
people aren't playing to be/do whatever they want...they are playing to experience what it would be like to live in that environment...and lets face it,
in the middle earth world homosexuals wouldn't have been "out in the open" if you know what Im sayin'
On the other hand, I don't care if I see same sex partnerships in games, not because it doesn't matter to me, but because real life needs progress in this area a lot more than video games do.
Don't get me wrong, I think lezbians totally rock but my taste is more toward mechs. I would marry a super hot mecha in a heart beat. can we have those in LOTR too please?
IMHO, if your going to allow people to categorize themselfs as straight, you should probably accept you have just included sexuality into your game. At the time the books were written, being gay probably wasn't an issue, but the world has moved on a wee bit since then. Saying this, people do have a choice in the game they play. There are plenty of MMOs out there which allow same-sex marriages, or don't bother having them at all, this just seems like a very poor decision on the part of the game developers.
For anyone that knows, how does this marriage thing work in these games? I mean, is it just "Hi, want to get married lolz." "Sure." Ok, we're married.
Firstly the "only if it happens in the book" argument is pretty bogus. Marriages between elves and humans happened twice in the entire history of the planet. It doesn't just happen. If the allow them in game, we all(who know the RPing community) know 75% of the marriages are probably going to be elf-human, thereby shattering any degree of authenticity they may have wished to accrue.
That said, everyone here has already made a damn fine point, there's no reason why a company should have to put same sex marriage into their game. There really shouldn't be that big a fuss about it. I do look forward to when a company does actually have the gumption to allow gayness in their games. Or black people in the lead role who aren't gangsters.
I do. You play a game like LOTRO to be a part of the Middle Earth "fantasy".So I'd want it to reflect the books as much as possible.
You can break it down to the debate of games as art. We're playing around in the developer's work of art and if gay marriage isn't part of their vision then it's their right to say so.
Personally, I don't think there should be marriage in MMO's at all. It's a game, not a life simulator. So go kill an orc and quit using a game to make up for your lack of real-world companionship.
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