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Any idea if it will feature drop-in/drop-out? As in, if I start up a campaign against bots in public mode (I'm assuming there will be a public and private mode), are other people able to jump in and out of the game at will?
It sounds to me like they 'blurred the line' by making it all multiplayer. They just eliminated the part where I get to be good.
Sounds great! There's nothing I hate more than completing a game's single player portion, then firing up the multiplayer and finding out the skills you've learned in single player don't carry over.
Too many good shooters this year. Some are going to slip through the cracks. This is likely one of those that I'll let slip...
So it's a multiplayer game that fills in gaps with bots for single player. That doesn't seem all that new.
It sounds like one of those cases of a dev trying to sell a fairly common, unremarkable feature as something groundbreaking.
It sounds like one of those cases of a dev trying to sell a fairly common, unremarkable feature as something groundbreaking.
hm, this could be dope. i like my multiplayer and single player to intermingle. drop-in would be great if you could replace an ai team member with a friend.
@ mrandydixon: Like L4D? That would be heavenly. I wish more publishers would go for that kind of online experience.
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My thoughts exactly. This, it seems to me, is a multiplayer-only game with an offline bot mode. Seeing as how MP bots have existed since Quake 1 (quakebot was a badass) this isn't exactly revolutionary. Not to shit on the concept, it sounds pretty cool. Just not really my thing. I think I'll make this one a rental.
My thoughts exactly. This, it seems to me, is a multiplayer-only game with an offline bot mode. Seeing as how MP bots have existed since Quake 1 (quakebot was a badass) this isn't exactly revolutionary. Not to shit on the concept, it sounds pretty cool. Just not really my thing. I think I'll make this one a rental.
"In my experience, Brink’s bots were entirely competent; they didn’t wait around for human players to complete objectives or push the front ahead."
Damn! I'm buying the game just for that. I wish some other games would allow the bots to progress further on their own, and actually help. I've been playing BulletStorm and I somewhat dislike it. The A.I with you don't do anything except nag and nag, and nag. Sometimes they shoot at a wall, or something, and enemies ignore them 98% of the time and run straight at me.
"Once you get good at the game, that’s it; you don’t need to learn any new laws or behaviors when you go online."
Brink sounds really awesome now.
Damn! I'm buying the game just for that. I wish some other games would allow the bots to progress further on their own, and actually help. I've been playing BulletStorm and I somewhat dislike it. The A.I with you don't do anything except nag and nag, and nag. Sometimes they shoot at a wall, or something, and enemies ignore them 98% of the time and run straight at me.
"Once you get good at the game, that’s it; you don’t need to learn any new laws or behaviors when you go online."
Brink sounds really awesome now.
"It sounds to me like they 'blurred the line' by making it all multiplayer."
"So it's a multiplayer game that fills in gaps with bots for single player. That doesn't seem all that new."
^ What these gentlemen said.
MP with tacked on SP functionality. Bleh. Maybe I'm being over-conservative, but I just don't think there's a mid-ground to suit audiences in this manner. Viewpoints like the developer would lead you to believe there's a big portion of SP gamers who would just jump to MP 'if only.....'. I think MP has matured enough, certainly on PC and now even on consoles, where gamers know what type of experience they want. If anything, SP-favoring gamers seems increasingly adamant about watered down SP experiences. Going half-a-loaf isn't going to win converts.
Out of all the options, making a mixed SP/MP experience seems the least attractive.
"So it's a multiplayer game that fills in gaps with bots for single player. That doesn't seem all that new."
^ What these gentlemen said.
MP with tacked on SP functionality. Bleh. Maybe I'm being over-conservative, but I just don't think there's a mid-ground to suit audiences in this manner. Viewpoints like the developer would lead you to believe there's a big portion of SP gamers who would just jump to MP 'if only.....'. I think MP has matured enough, certainly on PC and now even on consoles, where gamers know what type of experience they want. If anything, SP-favoring gamers seems increasingly adamant about watered down SP experiences. Going half-a-loaf isn't going to win converts.
Out of all the options, making a mixed SP/MP experience seems the least attractive.
Seriously I think all new ip should release a demo
And I don't mean a multiplayer beta crap.The meat and bones of a game campaign demo.A demo can either make or break a game that's up to the developer
And I don't mean a multiplayer beta crap.The meat and bones of a game campaign demo.A demo can either make or break a game that's up to the developer
ey, Nothing is original anymore, deal with it. Doesn't discourage me from a fantastic looking game that looks way more exciting than over half the shooters on the market.
I got to play this at PAX and it was one of my favorite parts of the event. I'm really excited for this game, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of hype going for the game. I'm hoping people buy it...
It sort of sounds weird at first. Like, it sounds like it would cheapen the single player experience, bringing it down to just botmatch multiplayer. But if I think of it in the other direction--that they are taking single player campaign experiences and allowing you to play them as competitive multiplayer--that actually sounds like it could be pretty cool. It really comes down to how the matches are structured.
@ dolson - What's really fun is to compare the prerelease hype for Mindjack with what people had to say after the reviews came out. Getting a real strong sense of deja vu here, people.
It sounds like they're putting in bots, but there's also the possibility of doing a sort of storyline campaign in the process. Kind of like Bioshock 2's MP where you were supposed to experience the war. (Haven't played Bioshock 2, so slap me if my description is inaccurate.) Interesting, but seems like there's a lot of room for bad execution. I will wait and see.
"So it's a multiplayer game that fills in gaps with bots for single player. That doesn't seem all that new. "
If that was the case then it would be unconnected bot matches (death match, capture the flag, etc.)
The difference that you are missing is that it is still a progressive story-based campaign (with cutscenes.) as in the single player of any other fps. So, really it is the opposite. It is a single player type experience with the ability to replace the bots with real people. Imagine playing the campaigns of Killzone or CoD, but not only can you play co-op with friends, but real people can fill in as the enemies.
Its like Unreal Tournament's Assault, or Killzone 3's Operations, except that it is all connected into one full story-based experience...not a couple of isolated missions. This makes a huge difference.
Btw, all this information has been out for over a year. Destructoid probably discussed it before. I don't really get this article, and I don't get the fact that people can't see why the multiplayer/singleplayer hybrid is unique.
If that was the case then it would be unconnected bot matches (death match, capture the flag, etc.)
The difference that you are missing is that it is still a progressive story-based campaign (with cutscenes.) as in the single player of any other fps. So, really it is the opposite. It is a single player type experience with the ability to replace the bots with real people. Imagine playing the campaigns of Killzone or CoD, but not only can you play co-op with friends, but real people can fill in as the enemies.
Its like Unreal Tournament's Assault, or Killzone 3's Operations, except that it is all connected into one full story-based experience...not a couple of isolated missions. This makes a huge difference.
Btw, all this information has been out for over a year. Destructoid probably discussed it before. I don't really get this article, and I don't get the fact that people can't see why the multiplayer/singleplayer hybrid is unique.
@mrandydixon and anyone else who wants to know, yes, there is drop in/drop out. Yes, it is like L4D in that sense, and in the sense that the movies are the same for SP and MP.
In Brink, bots will automatically fill the empty slots so people can drop in and out as they please. Of course, there are a bunch of parameters that can be set so that it is open to the public or not, or if you want to practice with less than 8v8 etc. Set the parameters for the kind of game you want, if there isn't one being hosted already, it will create the game for you.
Also, for those playing with controllers, there will be at least 6 pre-set configurations based on popular shooters, but Splash Damage is also giving us the option to map every control (done for people with restricted movement and anyone else who might want their own configuration).
In Brink, bots will automatically fill the empty slots so people can drop in and out as they please. Of course, there are a bunch of parameters that can be set so that it is open to the public or not, or if you want to practice with less than 8v8 etc. Set the parameters for the kind of game you want, if there isn't one being hosted already, it will create the game for you.
Also, for those playing with controllers, there will be at least 6 pre-set configurations based on popular shooters, but Splash Damage is also giving us the option to map every control (done for people with restricted movement and anyone else who might want their own configuration).
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