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I don't have many problems with GFWL, but for the most part I update manually because automatic upadtes are typically untrustworthy. This is just another thing reinforcing the fact that Microsoft is trying to kick pc gameers off their pc's and onto the 360.
I hope it get's fixed though. Almost every new GFWL update introduces stuttering to a few games. Once an M$ employee replied, saying: "We do infact test the updates....· But the next one was screwed as the last.
I'd love if GFWL didn't freeze at 99% everytime I try to update GTA IV or Fallout 3.
And why it isn't an external app, I'll never fucking know.
And why it isn't an external app, I'll never fucking know.
360 pad support = good
everything else = bad
PC games worked just fine before GFWL. i actually kind of like the idea of the GFW branding, but i wish MS would just leave it at that.
everything else = bad
PC games worked just fine before GFWL. i actually kind of like the idea of the GFW branding, but i wish MS would just leave it at that.
I see his point. Sometimes it's as though the MS gaming branch is full of software nerds (I use the term with affection) who have only been trained in MS infrastructure. It's like handing an architect a recipe for clam chowder.
I think the PC gaming industry needs to evaluate itself in comparison to the competition: Consoles.
I'll be the first to argue that PC gamers are 'wai moar l337' than console gamers (I've been doing both since the early '90s, blah/etc). That doesn't change the fact that from a business standpoint PC gaming is a market that is more or less (LESS!) an overlooked demographic.
To make a long story short:
I think the PC demographic is either too unregulated or restricted by individual user competency (this includes those with the newest and oldest of hardware).
Personally I am able to keep up with the latest in PC happenings and hardware. Not to say that mine is the latest-and-greatest. Some of us are no so fortunate.
This is the bane of PC gaming: Contemporaries and hardware lollygaggers.
I think the PC gaming industry needs to evaluate itself in comparison to the competition: Consoles.
I'll be the first to argue that PC gamers are 'wai moar l337' than console gamers (I've been doing both since the early '90s, blah/etc). That doesn't change the fact that from a business standpoint PC gaming is a market that is more or less (LESS!) an overlooked demographic.
To make a long story short:
I think the PC demographic is either too unregulated or restricted by individual user competency (this includes those with the newest and oldest of hardware).
Personally I am able to keep up with the latest in PC happenings and hardware. Not to say that mine is the latest-and-greatest. Some of us are no so fortunate.
This is the bane of PC gaming: Contemporaries and hardware lollygaggers.
The horrible quality of GFWL is so utterly baffling that I can't help but ask why Microsoft even bothered?
And it's not like they were inexperienced in this field, the client systems to Allegiance, Freelancer, the original MSN gaming client for Age of Empires 1 & 2. It's like somehow they just allowed themselves to become grossly stupid.
And it's not like they were inexperienced in this field, the client systems to Allegiance, Freelancer, the original MSN gaming client for Age of Empires 1 & 2. It's like somehow they just allowed themselves to become grossly stupid.
@ psycho terror2
The 360 pad support is shit too, If not done perfectly it will constantly change it's mind, switching the controller back and forth between default 360 layout.
The 360 pad support is shit too, If not done perfectly it will constantly change it's mind, switching the controller back and forth between default 360 layout.
I think Microsoft secretly wants to kill gaming on the windows platform. 360 is much more profitable for them considering they can nickle and dime the shit out of players.
Ah MS does everything this way, the only difference is the Xbox360 has a more experienced team under it's belt. The reason GFWL does not have the same level of experience is because everyone avoids the piece of crap like the plague.
However even though no one here apparently remembers LIVE for the console had the same growing pains. It just isn't as recent. Some examples might be limitation on file size for DLC, which prevent some games from ever coming out on it. Holiday growing pains, of not being able to get online at all.
Xbox 360 is the second iteration of the console LIVE! version. GFWL is still going through basic operating tweaks.
However even though no one here apparently remembers LIVE for the console had the same growing pains. It just isn't as recent. Some examples might be limitation on file size for DLC, which prevent some games from ever coming out on it. Holiday growing pains, of not being able to get online at all.
Xbox 360 is the second iteration of the console LIVE! version. GFWL is still going through basic operating tweaks.
Microsoft either needs to put more effort into GFWL or just forget about it really. As plenty of people have said before, PC gaming was fine before GFWL and since it launched we haven't been given anything to think of it as a must have component.
@Turbo; VBScript is a fairly powerful scripting language built into windows, VB is an awful programming language with an equally bad IDE. VBScript is nice.
GfWL, however, is not. Bloody awful program.
GfWL, however, is not. Bloody awful program.
GFWL will not launch on my PC. Tinkering, emails, help from friends, service calls, patches, OS update . . . still nothing.
I installed it so that I could get the Fallout 3 expansion packs. Now, it's too late. That's a real shame because I love Fallout. They made it too hard for me to give them my money, so I'm keeping it.
I installed it so that I could get the Fallout 3 expansion packs. Now, it's too late. That's a real shame because I love Fallout. They made it too hard for me to give them my money, so I'm keeping it.
Hey look, Microsoft found the market where their monopolistic, authoritarian culture can do well. They should drop their OS division and just become a console manufacturer. That sort of platform ownership is much more in tune with their business strategy than a personal computing platform.
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