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Board games better than videogames, says some woman photo

Sharma Howard, features writer for the Norwich Bulletin, has said that videogames can't match the fun of board games such as Monopoly. Before we laugh her out of the building like elitist douchebags, let's hear her argument:

See, that’s the great thing about board games, isn’t it? You can vent your competition, frustration, at your siblings, your spouse, in a healthy way that hopefully ends up in laughter, as long as you don’t take it too seriously. I just don’t think we can do that electronically.

In electronic games, the action on the screen takes on a life of its own, not the relationships among the players. Yet these games are earning converts as board-game sales dwindle. Last year, games and puzzles accounted for only about 10 percent of the $22 billion toy business, according to the Toy Industry Association.

Oh.

That's her entire argument, by the way, summed up in two paragraphs, which can be boiled down even further into one sentence: "I just don't think you can do that electronically." Providing no real basis for her argument, Howard merely says she "doesn't think" videogames can be as fun as board games and leaves it at that. Feature written, paycheck earned. I must say, I expected more when I agreed to write this "story" up.

If that's how we're going to do things then, I present my argument in a similar fashion: I just think you're wrong, Sharma Howard.








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Alexradl's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:17
Alexradl
...but what about a monopoly videogame?

I call bullshit, Sharma.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:18
eternalplayer2345
That takes me back. I actually had that pokemon monopoly when I was still obsessed with the series. Good times, good times.
DemonEyes23's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:18
DemonEyes23
i really despise boardgames/card games but this girl i like is obsessed with them...i hate my life.
Zerozaki Ishiki's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:18
Zerozaki Ishiki
She has obviously never played Monopoly. That game ALWAYS ends in tears, flying fists, and overturned boards.
Rockefellow's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:19
Rockefellow
More like Bored games.

Fuck, that was stupid.
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:20
covah
"says woman" psh, video games win by default.
Conrad Zimmerman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:26
Conrad Zimmerman
The argument she makes is one that I can agree with, though the manner in which she presents it is poor at best. I feel that board gaming is an intensely more social experience than videogames are. It's one I highly value.

I'd also say that an analogy can be drawn between games and books. Some people really like reading their books on a computer monitor or handheld device and I think that's really cool. But, given the option, I would much rather hold a book in my hand and turn the pages. There's a satisfaction which comes from that tactile sense which has yet to be replicated digitally and board games have that same gravitas.
Infinitestrike's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:28
Infinitestrike
"I just don’t think we can do that electronically."

She's never heard of online gaming, has she?

In fact I don't think this woman has even played a video game at all.
AgentD's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:30
AgentD
I don't think that's quite the right use of gravitas, unless you read books in a much more serious way than I do.

I think the point she is making is basically valid. Case in point: MMOs. My brother and I both play, as do all sorts of our friends, so we have a lot of hangout times where we just end up playing WoW. I can 100% attest that a bad night in a video game is way more frustrating than a bad night on a board game. Wiping over and over again, or playing TF2 and getting rolled game after game, are just things that happen - but in a video game they really bring us down. Playing a board or card game rarely has the same effect.
Conrad Zimmerman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:31
Conrad Zimmerman
Book reading is very serious business.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:32
Rockvillian
I love board games, but stopped buying them when they stopped being creative or inventive. I'll pick up one every year or so, but the nostalgia factor and classic style of board games is what draws people. "[insert movie title here] the board game" doesn't cut it.

And seriously, how many times do I have to buy a variation of Monopoly, Risk, or Chinese Checkers?
Conrad Zimmerman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:33
Conrad Zimmerman
@Rockvillain: Board games are still inventive, you just have to venture into Europe to find the really cool stuff. Check out www.boardgamegeek.com or read my tabletop posts to see some more creative games.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:34
PappaDukes
Wait, she has time to cook, clean the house and write for the Norwich Bulletin!? What an age we live in.

*Prepares for anti-sexism onslaught*
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:36
Emrah
I honestly would better have my friends around and play a board game than sit alone and listen to some jerk on COD4, so the gal has a point. I like COD4 a lot, btw.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:36
Rockvillian
@InfiniteStrike

She's talking about tactile, close proximity, good ol' interaction, sans avatars and sigs. Laughing with someone in the same room is different than laughing with someone over headsets, in a real profound way.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:40
Orionsaint
I hate people who don't play modern video games and take jabs at it. They give opinions on what little glimpses they've seen of our world.
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:44
njsykora
Its effectively coming back to the classic point I make about Mario Kart. You can play online and have a good time, but you lose the feeling of joy you get from disembowelling the git who blue shelled you 2ft from the line.
acharlesmobile's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:49
acharlesmobile
Maybe online the social interaction isn't as great as face to face with a board game, but what do you really expect? The problem is with videogames too much emphasis is put on being better than the other person you'll win most of the time. That's not exactly healthy when compared to many board games where any dumb person can win once they know the rules.
GOLD5's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:56
GOLD5
It was worth you doing the story, Jim (such as it was,) just to hear your hilarious retorts. She should try Scene It? for 360. That has the social elements of personal interactivity same as *bored* games. How about World of Warcraft getting all those basement dwellers to talk to each other online? That game effectively replaces Dungeons and Dragons, making it easier to get together with players and eliminating the need for a dungeon master. I guess Rock Band is no fun even though you can play it with your family. (Jodie Foster plays it with her kids, and somebody should tell Pete Townsend to stop having fun with his kids..) By the way, since bored games ONLY account for 10% of the toy business, which I assume includes Transformers and other items which ARENT GAMES, so you cant play them with the family.. I would just like to say holy fucking 2.2 billion dollars a year must suck. Gee they should go get a job at Taco Bell because being a part of a 2 BILLION dollar a year industry sure is weak. Im shocked that they still sell that many copies of games like RISK, which my friends refer to as LUCK. And Monopoly, the game where the first person who rolls high enough to make it around the board always wins. What fun!
Chicken008's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:01
Chicken008
Its easier to cheat in board games.
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:30
Toneman
Damn, I have Pokemon Monopoly. It's a fucking awesome game.
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:43
TheDreadHawk
PappaDukes

You expect anti-sexism on D-Toid? o:
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:55
Excel-2011
My siblings and I always have great fun inventing new swear words in video game versions of Scrabble.
gk128's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 16:01
gk128
Here is a link to the whole article.

http://www.norwichbulletin.com/lifestyles/columnists/x572883298/SHARMA-HOWARD-Video-games-can-t-match-family-fun-of-board-games

I'm kinda ashamed this is my local paper... that being if I was still home and not off on a learnding adventure.
adultswim810's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 16:11
adultswim810
I HAD POKEMON MONOPOLY!!!
Scientist tz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 16:12
Scientist tz
Watching the film version of Lord of the Rings is enjoyable for several reasons.Reading the novel Lord of the Rings is enjoyable for several, different, reasons. Not everyone who has seen the movie would enjoy the book and vice versa.

Now, likewise are Board and Video games.

Both good for different reasons. The lines are blurred a little when you consider board games that ARE video games such as Ticket to Ride but I digress.

Playing Twilight Imperium for 6 hours with my friends is a wholly different but equally enjoyable experience compared to playing, say, CoD4 with the same friends.

But yeah, this woman doesn't know jack shit about board games or video games. This is evidenced by the fact that she likes Monopoly.
Bacchus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 16:46
Bacchus
professor plum in the observatory with the candlestick


^ you can't do THAT electronically?


shenanigans
Quisling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 17:04
Quisling
Yay to Conrad for directing questioning eyes to The Geek.

I, also agree with her but not in the way she presents it. There is an amazing inexplicable energy in analog that just isn't conveyed as well electronically.

For example: The Catan and Carcassone XBLA titles. They're smash hits (and very decent adaptations of the games to the electronic market) but they just don't contain the same value as the hard copy originals.

I also wouldn't ever play a digital version of Power Grid, Arkham Horror, or even Munchkin, should these ever be made.

I suppose I would say that some games are best digital and some are best analog. Attempting to say that one or the other are ALWAYS better is slightly ignorant. It's akin to stating that games are ALWAYS better than movies. It's just a different media, and thus impossible to compare.
4knuckleshuffle's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 17:04
4knuckleshuffle
I personally believe she is a stupid cunt. And that's my entire arguement.
Quisling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 17:05
Quisling
Also I suppose describing those particular titles as "smash hits" was a little off-mark. They're at least decent.
beedash's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 17:10
beedash
There are some great board games out there (such as Catan). But Monopoly is definitely not one of them.
moot button's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 17:20
moot button
Some women are wrong
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 17:27
ace of knaves
It's true, I can't land on the Boardwalk for the third time in a row, shout a wail of agonized frustration, leap across the table, and start clawing at my sister's face electronically.
MultiJoe's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 17:38
MultiJoe
News just in: Videogame site says videogames preferable to board games, we'll bring you more as it comes in.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 17:44
DaedHead8
What a well written and thought out argument she has there. She should be proud.
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 18:49
Murumasa123
Na board games dont compare BUT i am bringing transformers risk to my mates to play with SSBB so i dunno they are quite fun.
p.s. I have a lv 70 night elf rogue making that comment next to my name my favourite.
nebones's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 19:58
nebones
I don't like board games.
Dr Terror's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 23:00
Dr Terror
Board games in the last 4 or so years have picked their act up significantly. Monopoly & risk are the worst examples- as they are decades & decades old (how many people play the original pong still?). Not that they aren't relevant, but their mainstream penetration is such that people don't have an understanding of the world behind them.

Newer boardgames such as Descent, Twilight Imperium & Arkham Horror (all from Fantasy Flight Games) are basically video games with identical concepts & decision making. Descent being a dungeon hacking diablo style game - Twilight Imperium being a Galactic Civilizations 2 stlye game & Arkham Horror being a Cthulu themed RPG with items, skills, stats, spells, random encounters, allies- everything you would attribute to a modern video game RPG. The list goes on for miles (boardgamegeek.com) and I promise you - if you seriously love your games- there will be a board game just for you (& your friends).

In conclusion, don't hate the games, hate this player because she made herself look like a fool along with an awesome alternate world of gaming.
Lithium's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 23:47
Lithium
Her statements are true only when applied to playing on Nintendo wifi connection

zing!
Linkoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/02/2008 03:05
Linkoman
y'know this is all well and great but it isnt really news
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/02/2008 09:59
BattyAdroit
I wrote this response in her article. I'm surprised there are no comments by other gamers on there, so I'm assuming they're deleting comments:

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News alert: stereotypically out-of-touch mother of two has no clue about, or interest in, electronic gaming. If I hadn't known better, I might have assumed this was a piece straight out of The Onion.

Ah, yes. I love to reminisce about the good old days of board gaming. Everyone knows that there was a magically golden age of a bygone era, that young people today can not possibly relate to.

'Let us settle down to a riveting game of depression-era Monopoly, by the hearth. Although we have no game pieces, because all of our metal was confiscated for the war effort, we can use the buttons in Granny's notions box for playing tokens! ...Can't you just smell the inviting aroma of the mildew wafting from a game box we open maybe once every seven years?'

What a precious picture of Rockwellian togetherness! Surely, no family with a Wii could possibly experience this kind of closeness. No companionship could possibly have been wrought from the likes of games such as the World of Warcraft, or Everquest. Video Games (and by association, Video Gamers) are incapable of warmth, or even smiling. They're just all mindless automations! New-Fangled gobbilty-gook! THE ROBOTS ARE COMIN' FOR MUH DENTURES! HIDE UNCLE ZEKE'S GOLD!
Exciting Jeff's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/02/2008 10:21
Exciting Jeff
Wow, this is really interesting; a woman who has never played a modern board or video game writes an article praising some of the worst board games ever made, and a bunch of video gamers who have never played a modern board game trounce her and her stupid bored games.

Get it? 'cuz they're boring. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yuphrum's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/02/2008 12:21
Yuphrum
Thats the great thing about living in a democratic society. You can have all the opinions you want to have, it doesnt matter if your right or not, it's your opinion, but the whole thing about "I dont think you can do that electronicly" is bullshit.
But then thats just my opinion. :D
smurfee mcgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/03/2008 21:26
smurfee mcgee
lol I have that Pokemon Monopoly.
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