Like Gerstmann-gate, this is a time to blog and we bloggers love it, as we get to be pretentious again and satisfy our egos by writing about the same thing over and over again. I am no different, and this issue is no different. This is the
beginning of the end of the HD-format war, with Warner being bought by the Blu-ray lobby group for
allegedly $500million, leaving Paramount, Universal and Toshiba in a difficult position. Or is it really that difficult for them? Haven’t they already made up their minds and the end to format war was already over months ago? Things like this don’t come to the public’s attention nowadays any faster than it did before the internet.
Is HD DVD dead? Yes. It will not be many years before Blu-ray will be the only alternative on the market, and I think by 2009, even by the end of ’08, Blu-ray = El Rey. During the course of this year, Blu-ray sales of both players and discs have increased while HD-DVD took a step back, which is a direct result of the rising sales of PS3 as well as better marketing for Blu-ray. I hate to say it, but Michael Bay was right, and like Mr. Bay says,
whatever Wal-Mart pushes, wins . Marketing and money is everything. The media industry is one dirty business, and will always be won by the
ever raging rein of the almighty currency . The problem for any HD distribution format is the already established mainstream appeal of the DVD. It will take a few years, about 3-4, before we see the sales of HD format discs to surpass the sales of DVD discs.
The death of HD DVD will also mean the death of the Xbox 360. By the end of this year PS3 will have marginalized the gap between 360 and PS3 sales, and developers have adapted to the delicate, intelligent and pain-in-the-ass-hardware that is the Cell processor and the 256mb of RAM (lol?). The 360 is already obsolete and will be even more so by 2009, and by then the next Xbox will have been announced and planned for a 2009 holiday release. That’s right I said it.
Did Microsoft know this was going to happen? Was this a factor in the decision not to include a hd-dvd player in the 360? I am a suspicious man with conspiracy thoughts coming out my ass, so I’ll bet that there was an uncertainty in the Microsoft camp regarding the HD format war. Not including a HD playback device, and painting themselves in a corner with the arcade/core SKU’s point to yes, they were aware and uncertain. So, will Microsoft announce the 360 Ultimate with a built-in HD DVD player? Not bloody likely. There is no need for another 360. There is a need for another Xbox, with IP-TV, 320gb hard drive, built-in Blu-ray player, motion-sensing controls and a hell of a lot graphical power to surpass the PS3. The problem is with the built-in Blu-ray player. Will it actually be there? Blu-ray has become so familiarized with the PS3 that it's gonna be very hard for Microsoft to incorporate it into one of their products. But it seems like Microsoft doesn’t have a choice, because an all-digital-distribution-future is a long away ahead.
So, HD viewing capabilities are going to be the end of the 360? lol. please.
No one cares about Blu-Ray either, so it's not much of a victory.
"The death of HD DVD will also mean the death of the Xbox 360."
Um, too bad 360 doesn't use HD-DVD, it uses DVDs, so your logic has failed.
no, but this is inevitable. blu-ray = 100gb (quad layer). hd-dvd = 45gb (triple layer). i'm just a messenger.
but this does make the 360 more obsolete and 2008 will be a tough year. by 2009, you won't be buying new games for the 360.
Though I'm pretty sure that Blu-Ray being the only HD format will boost the PS3's sales, I doubt it will kill the X360. It may close the gap significantly, it may even pull ahead, but kill it? I don't think so.
They pushed the next-gen DVD format too early... it's never going to reach the same numbers as DVD, simply because most people are perfectly content with DVD and will be for the next several years. By that time there'll be another media format to take HD-DVD/Blu-Ray's place, and digital distribution will be much more palpable to the average consumer.
No system is obsolete as long as there's good software still coming out for it. If you're buying a system for the tech and not the games, you're missing the point of gaming.
WAIT! Is this the exact same argument as that guy yesterday? Dear lord, you people don't realize that this site is mainly 360 owners and you still try to convince us that if HD DVD loses we are gonna stop playing CoD4 and Halo 3 and just leave our 360 to collect dust! I know I'll still be playing my 360 even if HD DVD gives babies cancer and makes Saturday Night Live Crappy! (Oops...check that one off the list)
Yeah there are already vluray players cheaper than the ps3. So I don't think it will push that many sales.
all i'm saying, is that microsoft's stand in the hd format war has failed, thus making their choice not to include a hd-dvd in the 360 so that games can be streamed off of it pretty transparent. so a new xbox is not that far away. 360 uses dvd for streaming games because microsoft didn't plan for the 360 to be "in the game" for that long. and with the now inevitable blu-ray format king, fitting a game on a dvd becomes less attractive and the hd-dvd add on makes little sense.
just for the record, i love my 360 and all the games i have for it. i don't have a ps3 because i don't think it has shown any potential. i'm all for the 360, with its flaws, but it's not going to be around for long.
You shouldn't decide whether a console succeeds or fails by movie playback options. You should decide whether a console succeeds or fails by the game library it has. And right now, the 360 has a far superior library than the PS3. While Blu-Ray may, and probably will beat out HD-DVD in the format war, there is no way that will have an effect on Xbox 360 sales. I want to see the number of people still buying standard DVDs than hi-def DVDs. I don't think the companies release those numbers because it would show how much people don't really care about hi-def DVDs and are just fine with standard DVDs.
You shouldn't decide whether a console succeeds or fails by movie playback options. You should decide whether a console succeeds or fails by the game library it has. And right now, the 360 has a far superior library than the PS3. While Blu-Ray may, and probably will beat out HD-DVD in the format war, there is no way that will have an effect on Xbox 360 sales. I want to see the number of people still buying standard DVDs than hi-def DVDs. I don't think the companies release those numbers because it would show how much people don't really care about hi-def DVDs and are just fine with standard DVDs.
End Your Life.
the 360 has won. the 360 won the games, 360 is the best gaming console you can buy right now. will it still be that in 2009? i doubt it.
By your own logic, that being the fact Microsoft has yet to include an HD DVD player built into the 360, doesn't that mean if HD DVD loses the 360 WOULDN'T be dead? Since it doesn't require HD DVDs to print games on? Now, if Blu Ray lost then that would CERTAINLY mean the death of the PS3 (although even that is highly unlikely since Sony LOVES to push new formats well past the point at which they fail commercially... *cough*UMD*cough*). But that's not your argument. And for that reason, good sir, you fail.
I fully approve and agree with Scrixx's comment.
/blog
DivX is the only format that matters :D
Physical discs are old tech
@b-radicate
you're reducing my arguments quite a bit here. but thats ok, i could have been more reasonable. but ultimately i don't think this issue helps microsoft. i thought the 360 would see a successor by 2009 a long time ago, and this hd-dvd thing has got microsoft in a weird position. games will require more space and if they wanna go the sony way of having the xbox as a multimedia platform, as they probably do, the death of the hd dvd (which they stood behind) is not a positive thing.
don't you agree?
no
I just bought a Samsung BD-P1400 Blu-ray Player for 295.95. I don't think that's a PS3...
Xper - I seriously thought you were being sarcrastic, but I'll entertain your trolling ways.
TBH you may be right about the HD-DVD. I am sad for it, but hey a winner had to be chosen sometime.
What I do disagree with you is the idea that the 360 is done for. It reminds me of a scenario. Two guys want to date the same girl. One guy finally makes the move (We'll call this guy Sony) and gets the date while the other guy is out for now (MS).
Your perception ends the story there, but like so many single minded beings.. it's short sighted. Who knows what the future holds?
MS could go forward with another form as I mentioned in my own cblog, Digital Distros. In the above scenario the girl may grow bored with just Sony and start slutting out to both MS AND Sony. Both will get Aids and Wii will marry her. True story.
Sure blu ray is better than hd dvd but the death of the xbox because of it? Not likely.
Microsoft's stand in the HD war has not failed because the only stand they're making is digital distribution.
And the 360 is not going to die. The install base right now is pretty good considering what the original XBOX did and it is continuing to grow. Also, you're prediction that 2008 will be a tough year for Microsoft is insane. There are many games being released for (most multiplatform) that will match the performance of the PS3.
If you're thinking 2008 is a year that HD movies are going to suddenly explode and everyone will rush to the store to buy a PS3 with a blu-ray, you're sadly mistake. People don't even know how to utilize their TV's HD features. You're also giving to much credit to the public. I don't know many people who even know what a Blu-Ray player is or the fact that a PS3 has one. Those Sony ads don't even do anything of explaining what it is. They just blast the logo expecting the world to know what it is.
Your logic is insane, and by 2009, yeah Microsoft might talk about a new console, but I don't think that'll be released until 2010. The HD movie format wars are not going to make it or break it for any of these companies because movies have nothing to do with games. And really, what does Sony have that's a big killer ap than a property like Halo. Don't say Metal Gear because it's not.
Again, you're being to nice to the general public. Who is going to know that the PS3 has larger storage capacity in their discs? Technology doesn't always dictate a console winner.
I think last generation's console war can prove that quiet clearly. The XBOX's multi-platform always looked better, but did that affect anything? No, not really. The PS2's install base was healthy enough for people not to care. The games library was large enough that people could ignore the XBOX's online gaming, hard drive, and better graphics.
who cares. when i go out to buy a VIDEO GAME console i look for the one with the best games, not the one with the better dvd player.
Even if Blu-Ray becomes the undisputed king of HD movies, it's going to take a few years for people to make the jump to HD. I mean, not just buying an HDTV, but actually getting the channels, buying the new DVD format, etc.
Since I can't afford a new HDTV yet anyway, it's no rush for me. But the fact still stands that the 360 isn't going to go down because lots of people like Blu Ray. The HD-DVD attachment might. If anything I'd worry more about all the hardware and software issues that come with an XBox 360 mentioned in Sterling's blog, but that hasn't exactly led to some great exodus... yet.
At least xper isn't a douche like DiseaseFagtory yesterday.
I agree with Redzie.
@redzie
exactly! at least i'm not a douche... but to satisfy scrixx and neonie, i have to go...
/wrist
Ah, so this must be the reason why the wii sells so woefully. It's the lack of a hd-dvd player of some type! Stupid nintendo not looking ahead!
Saying that the death of HD-DVD is equal to the death of the Xbox 360 is the same as saying that the death of Captain America (or Superman) equals the death of Marvel Comics (or DC). It just doesn't make sense... I could give a shit less that the 360 plays HD DVDs... I don't even want to upgrade to hi-def, because I put my DVD burner to use, and would hate to not be able to do that. I'll still be playing games on my 360 for a while, and so will every one else.
HD DVD's death does not translate to the Xbox 360's death. In fact, for the very reason you stated -- there is no HD DVD player on the Xbox 360.
It'd be more likely for MS to now start embracing Blu-ray, but frankly, I have no interest in HD DVD or Blu-ray.
DVD + Digital Distro = Win.
HOWEVER, I think it'll be a while before we see full HD games being digitally distributed, unless M$ is stupid and thinks everyone has FiOs from the year 2045.
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Fuck it it's the last post.
@dprime
very good write up. you make more sense to people than i do, apparently.
i admit it, i was harsh. but i will continue to believe that the two issues are directly linked to each other, because i'm just that stupid.
The death of HD DVD will also mean the death of the Xbox 360.
Well, that’s quite a jump in logic. As others have mentioned, people don’t seem to care that the 360 uses “last-gen” media for its games; multiple discs are fine for even the laziest of gamers. I don’t see MS embracing Blu-ray anytime soon, but I also don’t see them putting out the Xbox 720 by 2009, either. The 360 is still going strong (coming off its best year ever), and it’ll continue to do so. I love my PS3, and I don’t want a 360, but that’s the way things are right now. If/when Blu-ray wins out, it’ll probably help Sony sell PS3s, but it doesn’t really affect the 360.