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I don't understand the Halo series success - please, explain it
ww3pl | 2:10 AM on 05.21.2009 55 comments


Halo 1 was a quite nice shooter on the Xbox 1. Well, it was actually the only good exclusive shooter for this platform. Steroid guy in a green armor shooting aliens with some lame 'pew pew' weapons.
Halo 2 was also the same.
Guess what. Halo 3 IS EXACTLY the freakin' same.
When you're using weapons, you feel like shooting from a powerless water pistol. Story is lame. EVERYTHING IS FREAKIN' LAME.
Except the main character, which is looking awesome - is it all that game needs to achieve such a success? It is sad that this area of market is ruled mainly (there are many older gamers playing Halo, but i've never heard 'em while playing online - only screams of 13 year old kids) by kiddies, choosing games with good looking box.

Halo Wars is a sad spin-off, which is not even good. As for console RTS, yes - it's nice. But in the whole area of RTS games - they'll never make good strategy on console, ffs, why they're even trying?

I don't like ANYTHING in Halo. It's boring, not fun, story is not interesting, bla, bla, bla and bla.

WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE SEE IN THIS GAME.
WHAT.
TELL MEAH.

I... i just want to understand.



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Endstiem's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 02:52
Endstiem
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ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 02:52
ArrestedDeveloper
Halo is popular for the same reason Goldeneye is popular. It was a fun multiplayer game that friends would get together and play at a highly impressionable age. It got mega popular because it is probably the first big mainstream game that went online, so then even after kids graduated highschool or college and moved away from their friends they could still play it together.
Endstiem's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 02:54
Endstiem
Hmmm... damn you italics BBCode!!



Also:

WHY HALO IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SERIES IN THE LAST DECADE
mr spooky's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 02:57
mr spooky
There are bunch of Halo cheaters.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 03:33
Kyousuke Nanbu
I think its because people have different tastes.
baronvongaming's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 03:42
baronvongaming
The Music the concept of it and how cool it was to play when it came out halo was a instant classic but the way they reamp it to overkill kinda gets me, but i still love this game and i beat it on legendary so thats how much i liked it :)
paulink's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 04:04
paulink
Multiplayer, multiplayer, multiplayer.

it's like the super smash brothers of the xbox world, easy to get into, challenging to master.

Also, I really liked the Halo 3 story, really grabbed my attention.
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 04:21
ajaxender
Hey, you know those games you like? I think the story is lame, the characters are lame, and the gameplay is lame. Honestly, i dont like ANYTHING about those games. Its boring, not fun, story is not interesting, blah blah blah blah.

WHAT DO YOU SEE IN THOSE GAMES.
WHAT.
TELL MEAH.

I... I just want to understand.



Ok, seriously? Because a lot of people like the game. I enjoy it. I like Chief, I think the gameplay is fun (and Ive never understood the 'weak' weapons thing, i know of no other fps games with noticeably 'stronger' weapons), and the story works to make for some fun levels.

You dont have to like it. You can hate it if you want. If thats the case, you're never gonna understand why others like it. But that has no effect on you, does it? Go play the games YOU like.
Cyber Altair's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 04:23
Cyber Altair
Halo 2 sucked so much balls when I got it on my PC. I don't know if that's the problem but I really hated it >.>

ALso I played a bit of Halo 3 on the 360, still not impressed =\
Kohlstream's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 04:32
Kohlstream
All i can say as a PC gamer whose used to M&K controls is that playing Halo 3 on the 360 with a controller feels like I’m moving about in a wheelchair underwater, but i can jump really high and in slow motion for some reason.

A lot of people like the Halo games so there must be something good about them. I personally loved Crysis and i know loads of people thought that was mediocre, so there you go.
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 04:58
ajaxender
@Cyber Altair - yeah, cant deny that. Halo 2 PC was terrible. Maybe it would have been alright with a controller... but that defeats the point of porting it.
Half left's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 06:12
Half left
The forums are that way --->
RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 06:29
RonBurgandy2010
Forums, right here:
aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 06:47
aborto thefetus


I'm sorry but this doesn't warrant a blog post. Also, forums.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 06:52
Tubatic
Troll?

Whatev, I'll assume you're not...

Topsellers and top quality content are rarely hand in hand, in any medium.

Also, the Halo games happen to be pretty well put together. There are glitches, yes, but nothing especially game breaking. On top of that, its pretty accessible, since controller skills have a lighter learning curve than the good ole M&K (Mostly the K part, I figure)

Not to mention, the depth of features is pretty top notch. Decent enough solo campaign that isn't too hard to plow through, expansive and robust multiplayer, a number of secrets and earned unlockables, vehicle play, a level creation tool for multiplayer and the ability to save replays of not only multiplayer matches, but also the last 30 minutes or so of campaign gameplay.

Never mind that there's isn't much challange, and there isn't some deep well of great characters and interesting story.

1. It isn't broken
2. Its easy to get into and you feel/look like a badass
3. There's alot of different things to do with it
4. And yep, it looks pretty cool.
5. There's lots of people playing it, which keeps the gameplay going

Same could be said about World of Warcraft, Madden, RockBand, and PokeMon. Crazy, right?
themizarkshow's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 08:00
themizarkshow
The multiplayer elements are usually fun, but the campaign is weak in all the games. I don't get people who enjoy the single player portions. And since I'm not a huge FPS multiplayer person, I've never really played my copy of Halo3 much. Luckily it was a gift...

I assume its so popular because the Xbox needs exclusives and it's a solid title (eg: plays well and has sustained sequels and spinoffs).
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 08:14
garison
I like Halo. I think it's really fun to play with your friends system link.
HydroTonix's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 08:33
HydroTonix
Maybe cause it was marketed so well. And it's fun to play, and a solid shooter.
sickNasty's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 08:49
sickNasty
Making broad generalizations and hating everything popular is cool.

Also, poor worded blog posts with thin arguments are sweet.
Kylius's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 08:55
Kylius
Garison & ArrestedDeveloper have got it nailed - there's surprisingly few FPS's that support 4 player offline as well as online multiplayer.
Messer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 09:02
Messer
Why Halo is popular? Because it keeps n00bs like you away.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 09:02
Kraid
It's because of them teabags.
the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 09:07
the Golden Avatar
I don't understand this post's success - please, explain it.
Messer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 09:34
Messer
Ohh, and also because you touch yourself at night.
dprime's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 09:46
dprime
Why does everyone and their brother's dog think that they're the only one who doesn't think Halo is great?

I think there's more literature on the Internet about why Halo is good/bad than there is on anything else, and you have to ask us? Read all the 10/10 reviews I hear you thousands of people are the only ones to disagree with if you want a defense of it.

But I think the real question is why after all these years, long after the media shut up about it, you're wondering why a game you find mediocre is successful, and haven't just started on another game.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 09:57
SilverDragon1979
Oh ww3pl, you pretty much asked for all the grief you are going to get from people about this blog the second you posted it. You know when I was a teacher I used to believe in the saying, "there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers", but this truly is a stupid question. When you ask stupid questions like this on Dtoid, you are going to be treated this way. Sorry man!
t0pc0w's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 09:59
t0pc0w
Because without Halo, we wouldn't have classics like this:



Also, I'm not a fan. I played through Halo 3's campaign on Legendary with a friend, and never touched it again. Just doesn't tickle my tingler, yanowhaimsayin?
Count Grishnack's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 10:30
Count Grishnack
It's fun.
Bizznet's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 11:07
Bizznet
I think it's the multiplayer mode.

Also, marketing.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 11:12
SephirothX
Halo is popular for the same reasons Team Fortress and Counterstrike are popular. It's fun and people like it.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 11:35
Naim Master
@sephirot
Don't even dare to put TF in the smae sentence as GAYlo .
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 11:45
pascuz46
Personally I loved playing Halo 1 with friends. I never had an Xbox but they did and the campaign was pretty good. I never played Halo 3 but to me it looks the exact same as Halo 2. The graphics are not that impressive, however the art direction is still great just like the other games. I dont know why it became as popular as it did, but it did and I think alot of that was due to Microsofts marketing. They marketed it like it was the second coming of Christ, like a big summer block buster and it worked really really well.
de BLOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 11:59
de BLOO
@naim

TF is not or ever will be as popular as Halo.


Also, 4ums.
Blasto's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 12:09
Blasto
Damn, you're really pushing it ww3pl. I'm starting to question your intentions here.

But, I can't resist putting in my two cents on this "blog": PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT SHIT.

Personally, while I play the campaign (mainly because I've enjoyed the books a lot, without them the story is WEAK. There are lots of little tidbits you wouldn't get without having read them), I hate the multiplayer. Reason being, I generally don't like games that require more than 1 or 2 headshots to put someone down. Also, I don't like respawn games as I want each life to really matter, people play much more carefully which heightens the intensity for me. It also prevent lame asses from just camping to pick off people trying to get back in the action. I wouldn't have played CoD multiplayer if it wasn't for hardcore S&D.

But just because you don't care for something, doesn't make it shit. Many people *FAIL* to get that point. See what I did there?
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 12:10
Chris Carter
Man. You post 2 failblogs, hide the other one, and then, you post this??

I'm going to have to quote SA here, jokingly. Lurk more!
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 12:14
SephirothX
@Naim
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with De Bloo on this. Putting TF in the same sentence as Halo is a disgrace to Halo ;) ... Okay okay, I joke I know, but honestly TF2 really isnt that great. It doesnt have the same staying power that Halo, COD, or big brother CounterStrike even have.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 12:25
Mushman
@sepirothx


Maybe not on consoles, but TF2 gets played a hell of a lot on the PC, it's still one, if not THE most popular FPS on the PC.

Millions still play it, so your assumption that is has less staying power than other shooters is invalid, heck even the original TF still gets a few players, over 10 years on.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 12:32
SilverDragon1979
@SephirothX: I know people love Halo, and I know people love TF2, but I didn't ever think I would hear someone say "TF2 really isn't that great". Are you kidding me? The only people who don't think TF2 is an incredible game are those who don't like playing FPS games that require teamwork. You will never find another FPS game that has a more balanced class system, and that actually requires people to really work together well to reach an objective.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 12:42
Chris Carter
@Seph
To end the argument, it's universally considered by neutral parties that TF2 is harder, more team-oriented, and is a deeper game, although it is fairly niche.

Halo is universally accepted as the "frat/popular" shooter, and is easier to just pick up and play, especially since you can system link. Anyone can pick it up and play it, and while there are a ton of serious team/MLG players (I used to be), we can all agree that the majority of Halo fanatics are FFA junkies.

I'd say TF2, from a neutral standpoint (I never got into TF2, just TF, and I stopped being a Halo fan past 2), is a better game, but Halo is more successful, and more fun in short bursts. Apples and Oranges.
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 12:51
nukka jdav
TF2 really isn't that great?

MY JAR-BASED KARATE BEGS TO DIFFER.
Mikular's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 12:55
Mikular
I think, ww3pl (which I'd be interested in hearing anyone's interpretation of), that your "about me" section says it all.
Rucksack's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:09
Rucksack
Play "Halo: Combat Evolved" and get back to me.

It had a great atmosphere, fantastic set piece battles, fun levels, and the ring world concept provided for some varied environments.

On top of it all, there was an insanely fun and customizable mutliplayer experience that allowed for up to 16 players on one map using four linked Xboxs.

Now, realize how revolutionary this kind of things was on a console. The first Halo was a great game, and it's really unfortunate that the sequels couldn't live up to its legacy.

Don't be an asshole who hates something just because its popular. If it hadn't been so successful it wouldn't get the amount of flak it receives from people such as yourself.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:19
SephirothX
@Everyone
Holy fucking shit you guys, did you totally miss the part where I said I was joking? Really?

@Mushman
I wont deny that its super popular on PC. But that's also partially due to the fact that it has almost no fucking legit competition on the PC market outside of Counterstrike.

@Silverdragon
If its such a balanced class system why the hell does it keep getting patches? I'm sorry to say it, but alot of people dont think TF2 is that great even compared to its predecessor (which I did like, for the record). It stays strong on the PC community because its a familiar name, very similar to how Halo stays popular on consoles via familiarity. Also the PC community still has a giant hardon over anything Valve makes.

@Magnalon
Yes, its apples and oranges. But throwing it into the category of 'frat game' is kind of a slap in the face to alot of the people who actually play the game, both seriously and for fun.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:24
SephirothX
In short... am I saying TF2 sucks? no. I'm saying its not the end-all of FPSs like some people say it is.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:36
SilverDragon1979
@SephirothX: I want to sit here and argue with the stupid stuff that you have written here such as, TF2 "has no fucking legit competition on the PC market outside of Counterstrike", but it would be a complete waste since you obviously have your opinion set, and make accusations based on absolutely no factual information what-so-ever.

Let's just agree that people like Halo, and people like TF2, and both are good games. If you would have just said that to begin with people wouldn't have come down on you like a ton of bricks.
Messer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:42
Messer
What do I see in Halo? Your mom. Understand that.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:43
Arttemis
@ww3pl - I never liked Halo. It didn't seem revolutionary or even offering anything new compared to any of the FPSs I regularly played on PC. I'm just not a fan of the series or the FPS genre on consoles to begin with.
If I had to choose a favorite console FPS, Republic Commando would most definitely be it.

@SilverDragon - Tribes 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and the original Call of Duty are my all time favorite team-based FPSs. The support and playerbase for those games has dwindled so I generally don't play them anymore (though Tribes 2 recently got a player-surge of which I am a part!).
I feel these games do the class system just as well or maybe better than TF2 (BF1942, BF2, BF2142 were also very enjoyable), but they're considered outdated. I just wanted to point out that there really are plenty of other amazing team-based objective games to enjoy, even though they're older; they're not dead, though.

@SephirothX - I seriously doubt Valve is continuing to update the game because they felt it was unbalanced. Their content packs are there to keep the game invigorated and fresh. The additions themselves may have balancing tweaks soon after they become live, but the game is generally balanced very well; each class has its purpose and strengths.

@Everyone - I'm sad that this blog is the location for this debate.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:57
SilverDragon1979
@Arttemis: I will admit there are a lot of really great team-based class system FPS games out there. I loved the original 1942, and the original Enemy Territory. I also think Killzone 2 is incredible for it's class system and team based gameplay. TF2 probably has more staying life in my mind because of how well Valve goes out of their way to support it. That game could have easily been forgotten by Valve after it came out, but they have instead constantly built upon it and made it a better game.
Messer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 14:00
Messer
@Silverdgaron: Kinda like Bungie does with Halo3 and all their wonderful playlist/gametype updates.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 14:35
Chris Carter
Dude Seph: it's a frat game. I can even admit it, having played in numerous local and state tourneys, and playing it 10 hours a day in it's prime, taking it very seriously. As a serious player, I was part of the minority, which is why I've only played a select few people as good as me in Halo 1, and wiped the floor with hundreds of "OMG LETS GET FUCKED UP AND PLAY HALO YEAA!" people in highschool/college.

Also, I take Madden very seriously, but that's a frat game too.

Sad but true.
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