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XBOX Live won't help me out...big surprise
witthaus | 6:40 PM on 04.20.2008 13 comments


About a year and a half ago, my first Xbox 360 premium system suffered from the infamous red-ring-of-death. Instead of getting any sort of repair done through Microsoft, I took the system back to the retailer (which I had a purchased service plan with) and exchanged it for another one. I was allowed to keep my hard drive and soon learned that all DLC from the previous system wouldn't work offline with the new one because the data is tied into the tag, the hard drive and the system itself. This normally wouldn't be a big deal, but I don't have access to any sort of hi-speed internet where I live.

Microsoft's initial solution to this problem? We will give you a new gamertag and refund all of your points. At the time this seemed to be quite a bit of hassle considering they wanted a million different bits of information and faxed copies of my purchase receipts, and given that I could live without being able to play the (at that time) small amount of arcade games I had downloaded off of XBLA. So, I graciously declined and moved on with my life.

Now red-ring failure has struck once again and I decided to use my service plan contract to upgrade to an Elite. Upon receiving the Elite, I figured that as long as I had a new system with a new hard drive, and simply recovered my gamertag, that all of my DLC would once again work. However, I was most definitely wrong.

So today, I resort to calling Microsoft tech support because a close friend explained that Microsoft now had a process to change over the information to new systems in order to eliminate the offline access problem. While I eventually was told by an XBOX Live supervisor named Kristine that this process did exist, I was denied any sort of refund because the SKU transfer process from 360 premium to 360 Elite "doesn't exist." When I asked whether or not this fact was ever released to the public or given any sort of PR, I received silence.

Upon hearing this ridiculous information, accompanied with stupified silence, I attempted to reason with myself that this may, in fact, be a technological disadvantage that Microsoft has with their products. However, I realized that along with all of my arcade games, my Rock Band DLC would no longer work. When I asked the supervisor whether or not I could simply cancel my other gamertag, start a new one, re-subscribe to XBOX Live and get a refund for all of my MS points, she simply told me that that was no longer their policy.

Now what this means to me is that Microsoft eliminated the one out they used to offer when they were to lazy to fix this problem in the first place. Then they decided that transferring data from a premium to an Elite was far too challenging. However, instead of offering me any sort of solution, I now have all but the latest Rock band DLC that doesn't work offline, 20 aracade games that don't work offline, and a bunch of GH3 and GH2 DLC that doesn't work.

Naturally, I was rather upset with my options (lose a ton of money on DLC and don't play anything offline) and all I could get out of Kristine was a recycled apology about 55 times because the call was clearly monitored. The best part? When I explained that as a consumer, I should have some sort of voice in retrieving my DLC that cost REAL money from my REAL checking account, and she flat-out told me "No."

What do you mean "No?" Last time I checked, when you legally purchase something that you have proof for, said product is now your sole property. Also, instead of offering solutions or listening to what I have to say for future reference (or others who may experience the same problem), how about Microsoft just repeat themselves over and over or be completely silent because they know they are fucking me out of the money I willingly gave them to provide a service and gaming experience?

Needless to say, I am extremely frustrated and left wondering what to do. I suppose that Rock Band is now about 66% useless to me, and it's a real shame, because it was one of the best party games I ever purchased and had a ton of fun with it every time I picked it up. So now I have to decide whether to live with no arcade games and no DLC, or just sell it all and say fuck it.

I have never heard of anyone else having such a hard time with Microsoft (except for that kid who had the special art work wiped off his 360), and was wondering if anyone in the Destructoid community had any advice that i may have overlooked. I understand everyone has their problems, but this really pisses me off and I didn't know if there may be a solution anyone can offer.

I suppose for now I can email Harmonix and explain that I love their game, but I can't play it anymore because Microsoft feels that they have absolutely no resolution to my troubles...



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Tromboned's Destructoid Blog
Man oh man. I think emailing the developer is a good thing to do. I think posting and linking to this, or an ever more detailed (with diagrams) version of your sad tale is a good idea. I think calling microsoft over and over and over again, as painful as I know it will be, is a good thing to do. I think emailing industry sites to spread the story would be (potentially) helpful.

Keep hassling them. Don't give up. Yell. Email them a lot.

Or just fucking sell the damn thing and play at a friends house.
Msoft is shit for this stuff. I've never bought any DLC on 360 because of this problem. I don't think anyone has come up with a good solution - Does wii have DLC problems like this? PS3? Anyone know?
animateria's Destructoid Blog
I am at a loss of words...

That SERIOUSLY sucks.
razerangel's Destructoid Blog
That is one hell of a shafting you've received, go raise hell!
vexed alex's Destructoid Blog
That's fucking retarded. Like Tromboned says, keep e-mailing, and keep trying to get this problem out in the spotlight.
dronkmunk's Destructoid Blog
Yeah, um, that's what they do. And it really sucks for those of us who arent connected to live 24-7. I heard that they are going to fix this, but still no word on when. I had to delete my whole crackdown saved game cause it kept freezing the game when I started it up offline b/c the DLC
JDUB X's Destructoid Blog
Microsoft will only move the DLC DRM Licenses to a 360 that they have personally Serviced/replaced
teach4food's Destructoid Blog
Do you have your receipts to prove that is what occurred? That it was part of a service agreement? You might be able to have it the DRM switched to the new set if you contact them with all the documentation and state it was done through a legitimate store repair/replacement policy. I was on the phone with them recently and the supervisor who called me (I had similar problems but didn't upgrade my 360, but I wanted to) and he told me that they do switch over the DRM license on store replacement models. He did say it had to be the same style but the loop hole might be, what if that model was no longer available at the store? Use that, you might be able to get it switched over.
witthaus's Destructoid Blog
thank you guys for the links and suggestions. i am definitely not rolling over on this thing.@dronkmunk: oh yeah! i got that problem now too with crackdown. anything DLC related and i'm screwed
witthaus's Destructoid Blog
@teach4food: yes, i have all the documentation to prove my legitimate store replacement plan/warranty. i am looking into contacting them again tomorrow and going through the process again and see if I can't even get them to let me have a new gamertag and just refund my points. i don't know, hopefully something will develop shortly if i bother them enough. thanks for your suggestion
MechaMonkey's Destructoid Blog
Check out Consumerist. They might have some tips on contacting the right people of Microsoft to get your problem fixed.
brainderailment's Destructoid Blog
@Tromboned

Wii and PS3 you just log in on the new machine and you can redownload all your purchased content. I'm not sure how many times you can do that on a wii, but on the ps3, you can download each item onto 5 different ps3s.
Aziel13's Destructoid Blog
Fecking aye
so sorry to hear about you lose man
witthaus's Destructoid Blog
@mechamonkey: Thanks. I will check out the link.


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