You are a braver man then I. Was it worth it? The after effects of twilight are not felt until a day after viewing...
Twilight has nothing to do with Mormonism except the book's lack of people doing the horizontal cha-cha.
Although I myself am ambivalent about the series, perhaps there is another way to look at it. Bella chooses to play in a league that is too overpowered for her, therefore she has little choice but to be swept up in the conflict of powers greater than her, participating in a system in which she has little influence. Therefore she suffers some kind of combination of teenage and existential angst. The fulfillment she seems to have with relationships is a kind of cure for that angst.
The weird thing to me is that she wants to participate in it even though it is obviously unhealthy on many levels for her. Perhaps it is the only thing that gives her life meaning (hence the depression when it is taken away).
My female associates who like the book says Bella mirrors something deep in the female psyche, a lingering unease with the world (oh no people do not like me, oh no people like me), and the unease of the teen years. I really can't speak to that because I am not female.
Although I myself am ambivalent about the series, perhaps there is another way to look at it. Bella chooses to play in a league that is too overpowered for her, therefore she has little choice but to be swept up in the conflict of powers greater than her, participating in a system in which she has little influence. Therefore she suffers some kind of combination of teenage and existential angst. The fulfillment she seems to have with relationships is a kind of cure for that angst.
The weird thing to me is that she wants to participate in it even though it is obviously unhealthy on many levels for her. Perhaps it is the only thing that gives her life meaning (hence the depression when it is taken away).
My female associates who like the book says Bella mirrors something deep in the female psyche, a lingering unease with the world (oh no people do not like me, oh no people like me), and the unease of the teen years. I really can't speak to that because I am not female.
I knew there was a good reason that I've never read any of the books, nor seen any of the movies!
Thank you for renewing my own faith in my good taste.
Thank you for renewing my own faith in my good taste.
See I get what you mean about Bella being weak but I always thought that was the appeal not because Bella is weak but because here comes the valiant young whatevers to whisk her away and do shit for her.
Yeah, Bella is a weak lil' pussy but it's not about Bella's weakness. It's about the fact that Bella can be weak because she'll always be taken care of and fought over because for some reason she's the center of these douchebags lives.
Still not a good lesson to teach or a good fantasy to perpetuate on impressionable girls but just a thought.
Yeah, Bella is a weak lil' pussy but it's not about Bella's weakness. It's about the fact that Bella can be weak because she'll always be taken care of and fought over because for some reason she's the center of these douchebags lives.
Still not a good lesson to teach or a good fantasy to perpetuate on impressionable girls but just a thought.
I went and saw this last night with the intention of trolling, after getting really drunk. I was semi-happy to see the one character I don't absolutely despise in the movie (Jasper, one of Sparkle Boy's brothers) get a lot more screen time then usual, and it's nice to see that after three movies they finally have special effects that don't suck, but other then that there isn't much going for this series. I pretty much spent the entire time saying "Ya know, Kristen Stewart did (insert scene from movie here) ten times better in The Runaways."
Also, I apologize to any 15 year old girls whose night I ruined last night...actually, no, no I don't. Get a real crush you dumb shits, stop fawning over fictional monster boys and grow the fuck up. Also, Stoker did it best.
Also, I apologize to any 15 year old girls whose night I ruined last night...actually, no, no I don't. Get a real crush you dumb shits, stop fawning over fictional monster boys and grow the fuck up. Also, Stoker did it best.
@vApathyv
I'm actually a little tempted to see it just so I can bitch about how much better Stewart was in The Runaways.
I'm actually a little tempted to see it just so I can bitch about how much better Stewart was in The Runaways.
@vApathyv
I loved The Runaways. I have no beef with Kristen Stewart, she's a fine actress, but her talent is wasted on the Twilight films.
I loved The Runaways. I have no beef with Kristen Stewart, she's a fine actress, but her talent is wasted on the Twilight films.
I can’t believe Twilight is so popular when every single thing I’ve heard about it has been negative. Still, I’m sure (at least I hope) that the girls it’s aimed at aren’t so stupid as to take any of it to heart, I’d bet that sparkly vampires and shirtless boys are to them what Lara Croft was to us, pointless eyecandy that nobody actually cared about.
@Handy
No, no, you'd be quite surprised just how many of them take it waaaaaay too far. That Team Edward/Team Jacob stuff? No, that isn't something that's done in jest. I've witnessed two girls get into actual, physical fist fights over these things, and I've met women, actual, adult women, who say they won't date somebody unless they look like Edward or Jacob. This isn't a simple eye candy thing here, it's a full-fledged frenzy.
No, no, you'd be quite surprised just how many of them take it waaaaaay too far. That Team Edward/Team Jacob stuff? No, that isn't something that's done in jest. I've witnessed two girls get into actual, physical fist fights over these things, and I've met women, actual, adult women, who say they won't date somebody unless they look like Edward or Jacob. This isn't a simple eye candy thing here, it's a full-fledged frenzy.
I do believe you deserve an award for watching those films Wander. But I'm afraid you'll be dead by the time you can accept the damn thing.
@Handy
Here in the states people take it VERY seriously. Like take the internet shenanigans of fanboys, throw in cosplay (yes, werewolf cosplay), and put it in real life. In high school no doubt. With teenage girls.
That's the "real" Twilight fanbase. Of course if you're anything else you're a dirty casual.
I wish I was joking.
Here in the states people take it VERY seriously. Like take the internet shenanigans of fanboys, throw in cosplay (yes, werewolf cosplay), and put it in real life. In high school no doubt. With teenage girls.
That's the "real" Twilight fanbase. Of course if you're anything else you're a dirty casual.
I wish I was joking.
The books and films aren't teaching anybody anything, unless the girls watching and reading are under 10 years old, which in that case they shouldn't be reading or watching these films.
They appeal to that longing in females to be the damsel in distress. Girls want to be rescued and fought over. Guys would conversely love to be the hero and be fought over.
The problem for me is that the films are just plain boring and the books are horribly written. They are almost like a bad RPG, in that Bella's appearance is never described once, so that the reader can feel like SHE is Bella.
It's terrible, really. Other than the level of quality, I've got no issues with the subject matter. Saying that girls are going to take away the wrong ideas from these films is as ridiculous as saying that video games cause violence.
They appeal to that longing in females to be the damsel in distress. Girls want to be rescued and fought over. Guys would conversely love to be the hero and be fought over.
The problem for me is that the films are just plain boring and the books are horribly written. They are almost like a bad RPG, in that Bella's appearance is never described once, so that the reader can feel like SHE is Bella.
It's terrible, really. Other than the level of quality, I've got no issues with the subject matter. Saying that girls are going to take away the wrong ideas from these films is as ridiculous as saying that video games cause violence.
Oh, you haven't read the books. Yeah, see, I tried. I got as far as the first chapter of the first book and then I stopped due to sanity reasons. It's like--there are no commas--just emdashes. Not to mention the values dissonance we're dealing with. Here, lemme direct you to a helpful resource. What truly gets me is that despite the fact that Main Love Interest is stalkerish and abusive, she comes right on back to him without fail. What.
"If he's hot enough, anything he does is okay." You may laugh and roll your eyes, but I know several women, even those who don't read the books/watch the films, who live by that credo. It's disturbing, and maybe the blame is placed too much on Twilight for "warping the young minds of women everywhere," and instead it's a sign of our times; a wakeup call that we as men need to be prettier and stalkerish or we're not gonna get the girls. :(
I don't know. I'm not fond of the material no matter in what medium it's consumed. I've heard even some fans jumped ship after the fourth book since it ran head-on into lol vampire sex, and reportedly book five was a retelling of book one through another character's eyes. And then six, seven, eight and so on were the same way; the novel version of the Endless Eight if such a thing were possible.
"If he's hot enough, anything he does is okay." You may laugh and roll your eyes, but I know several women, even those who don't read the books/watch the films, who live by that credo. It's disturbing, and maybe the blame is placed too much on Twilight for "warping the young minds of women everywhere," and instead it's a sign of our times; a wakeup call that we as men need to be prettier and stalkerish or we're not gonna get the girls. :(
I don't know. I'm not fond of the material no matter in what medium it's consumed. I've heard even some fans jumped ship after the fourth book since it ran head-on into lol vampire sex, and reportedly book five was a retelling of book one through another character's eyes. And then six, seven, eight and so on were the same way; the novel version of the Endless Eight if such a thing were possible.
I saw the first movie in the theater as a Christmas present to a friend. It was so awful and funny and gay in the best way possible. It's peanut gallery fodder if that's your gig. The fervor for this reminds me of how bat shit tweens went over New Kids on the Block back before the internet when the earth was still cooling.
@ OET wasn't Edward part of New Kids on the Block?
BTW Western Slope woman blames vampire for car crash
BTW Western Slope woman blames vampire for car crash
@Occams: Replace "NKotB" with "typical boy-band/boy solo artist we've come to loathe" and yes, that'll be true. Girls fainted for The Beatles and Elvis years before most of us, and that'll probably never end.
They showed a preview for this before the Harry Potter movie I saw last year. I got a kick out of watching all the tweeny girls throw multiple vigorous fist pumps into the air while screaming/crying.
Let the girls get obsessed over what they want. It's not like any of these things have any real legs in the long run. Except for the Beatles and Elvis that is.
Let the girls get obsessed over what they want. It's not like any of these things have any real legs in the long run. Except for the Beatles and Elvis that is.
@Corduroy Turtle
They showed the trailer when I went to see Iron Man 2. Oh my lord. I have never seen so much emotion over a fucking trailer. Hell I've never seen that much emotion over an entire movie.
Also, Elvis sucks.
They showed the trailer when I went to see Iron Man 2. Oh my lord. I have never seen so much emotion over a fucking trailer. Hell I've never seen that much emotion over an entire movie.
Also, Elvis sucks.
You know guys, gamers also get pretty emotional over previews for upcoming titles.. The things we praise are cooler, and better in our eyes. But in those girls eyes, what they love is awesome too.
And thats just sad. This is what humanity comes down to.
-shutters-
And thats just sad. This is what humanity comes down to.
-shutters-
It's really weird to hear gamers suggest that something in a different medium from their own is warping minds. I'm not advocating total aestheticism but I wonder how many people say that art and morality have no connection when it comes to something they like and turn around and are appalled by the morality of some artistic endeavor that they don't like.
Now we debate about whether Twilight is art or not?
Now we debate about whether Twilight is art or not?
I really fail to see how Twilight is different than any other teenage girl phenomenon in the past...well, ever.
I can't hate it (having once been a teenage girl myself). I just think it's funny when guys get so up in arms over it. The crazy Edward/Jacob/whoever lust? It's just a girls' version of whatever teenage boys get out of Maxim magazine. (And if you're older than 18 and still read Maxim, you're just as bad as any of those grown-ass women who love Twilight.)
I can't hate it (having once been a teenage girl myself). I just think it's funny when guys get so up in arms over it. The crazy Edward/Jacob/whoever lust? It's just a girls' version of whatever teenage boys get out of Maxim magazine. (And if you're older than 18 and still read Maxim, you're just as bad as any of those grown-ass women who love Twilight.)

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