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Here's Where I Finally Talk About Persona 4
Josh Tolentino | 12:25 AM on 02.17.2009 33 comments


There is much that I've said about Persona 3, that much is true. However, I noticed that I have yet to speak my thoughts on Persona 4.

Progress report: I'm roughly 37 hours in, and given that I'm savoring every picosecond, I've yet to enter the month of July. Yeah, I'm that slow, so don't expect anything in-depth for a little while yet.

I'll try to keep this short: everything that I love about Persona 4, and that I think has been improved upon since Persona 3, can be represented by the following screenshot:



Yup, just one screenshot. I'll elaborate now, in list format!

1. The Menus

Well, perhaps a little video would have been better, but if you thought Persona 3 had style before, Persona 4 is a f*cking revelation. All of the menus and HUD details slide in and out of scenes like a powerpoint presentation by God. The animation for the Shiroku item shop alone puts many next-gen games' plebian menu fumbling to shame. That little TV-screen shaped silhouette that frames each of your turns in combat? Masterful. The yellow cutouts of your party standing in the hallway of the main menu, their glasses shadowed in white? Inspired. If there's every been any proof Godliness being in the little details, this is it.

2. The Personality

Yes, I'm beginning to think video would have been a better illustration of my points, but here we are. Again, the beauty is in the little touches, such as how there's no music on rainy days, or the generally less grating quality of the composition, though it forces itself into your brain and refuses to leave for days at a time. But what really sets it apart from its peers, even its forbears, is the voice acting. It's bubbly and vivacious, perfectly suiting the more positive tone of the story

Persona 3 already had very good voice acting, but its men and women had fairly straightforward personalities, and with few exceptions were more aloof, more serious, more hip and mature (city folk indeed). Persona 4's cast is more diverse in attitude and outlook, and it shows. There were so many ways they could have screwed up, from tripping up the honorifics and pronunciation (particularly risky considering that Atlus wanted to emphasize more correct tonal emphasis) to the high-pitched squealing so common in anime.

Atlus largely succeeded with its writing. They weren't afraid to mix the "senpai" and "laters", seifuku and totally valley-girl "Ooh-myGAWD". They may still not sound like realistic teenagers (as if teenagers were interesting to listen to), but they deliver it like they care.

3. Those Little Orange Flowers That Emerge From Characters' Heads When They're Happy.

They're adorable. It's the visual equivalent of a self-satisfied sigh! Not even the most uncanny valley-esque facial animation's been able to touch on that. Those flowers also show off the newer, closer camera angle. Like the more intimate, rural setting and more intimate, small-town plot, the camera's set to show off the detail, the orange-yellow tones, the sweat-drop emoticons. The newer camera angle also persists into dungeon-crawling. It's a little less useful there, as the zoom makes it harder to maneuver around enemies to attack them from behind or get your bearings in the more convoluted mazes, but it does highlight the level architecture more.

4. The Scooby-Doo Antics

This isn't for everyone, I know. A lot of folks preferred the "darker theme", and groan and moan at the anime pratfalls and gags (sorry thefil). Look a little closer, however, and you see a more complex, personalized plot, centering on the characters. This isn't just a story about you anymore, but about you and your friends. The fact that you've got social links for your whole cast as opposed to just one for the group, plus others for the love interests, proves it.

In some ways the story is less meandering, more straightforward, but every character ends up more developed as a result. I can't really elaborate without spoilers, but I'm definitely more attached to this group of mystery-solvers than I was to my previous squad of world-savers. That says a lot, given how much I worship Persona 3.

The meaningless dialog options also help. There are so many more opportunities in this game to just say stuff as you feel it, without consequence, that it allows you to more deeply invest yourself into your silent protagonist, without worrying that you've broken this or that social link.

5. Chie

I usually prefer the mature, older-girl, "onee-san" romance options (Mitsuru <3, Ms. Toriumi <3), but Chie's my Persona 4 girl. That is all.

In conclusion, Persona 4 is the perfect sequel, preserving the most lovable parts of its gameplay, smoothing out the rough patches, and slathering polish over the entire work. This has made just about every iterative improvement possible without a drastic change of platform or mechanics. This is the PS2's swan song. Give Atlus more money.

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Tdiddy9182's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 00:40
Tdiddy9182
AHHHH, there is so much I want to talk about but I dont wanna spoil anything for you. Keep playing and ENJOY!!
Ckarasu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 00:43
Ckarasu
Yeah, Persona 4 is really that great. I love the game, more than Persona 3. I'd say it's almost as good as Nocturne.
EarthbounderNess's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 00:59
EarthbounderNess
Chie is mine. Back the fuck off.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 01:11
Josh Tolentino
@Earthbounderness

Oh, it's on. Smack your burning tarot card already!

Persona: [urlhttp://www.j-rhythm.com/pics/bladestorm01.jpg]Lispy Bladestorm Bartender[/url]!!!!
Brian Keljore's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 01:22
Brian Keljore
I'm more a Yukiko guy myself.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 01:24
Kyousuke Nanbu
Fuck both of you, Chie is MY WAIFU.

Already spent Christmas with her HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I'm 70 hours I'm at the 2nd to last dungeon.

Chie just hit Level 70 and learned God's Hand, I love her current weapon, white boots with pink bows on them.

But yea, BACK OFF CHIE, YOU CAN HAVE THE OTHER GIRLS.
seigfreid's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 01:29
seigfreid
God I love this game, this was my first JRPG and it is now my favorite game (:
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 01:58
pedrovay2003
Heh, I took Chie, also.

In terms of story, I personally liked P3 better, but P4 craps all over 3 in terms of gameplay. I seriously can't decide which one I like better.

I'll be picking up Digital Devil Sagas 1 & 2 this week, too, though, so I'll have more to compare it to...
thefil's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 07:25
thefil
OMGAWD I got a mention.

I've portrayed myself as an anime-hating snob, haven't I? :( Well, I played Persona 4 and loved it. It was non-stop enjoyment for me and I think they handled the anime gags better than most animes I've seen. The early on camping trip antics were quite enjoyable as were the later, unspoilably amazing culture day heroics. Was it culture day? I've forgotten...

That being said, I really didn't like Chie. Fell madly in love with Naoto, though... wait, what does that say about me?
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 07:55
Gen Eric Gui
Thefil: It means your sane, Naoto's my pick too. Although that's kind of a spoiler, isn't it? Chie was a really fun character too, though. As was...the entire rest of the cast.

P4 was such an amazing game.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 09:25
Wedge
Augublaguahblah, I got into December a month or two ago and TOTALLY STOPPED PLAYING. I don't even know why, because I really should beat it so I can start it again and get all the social links I fucked up and/or missed...

I found Chie to be a character I liked more in theory than in practice. Yukiko was actually surprisingly dynamic for a character you think will be stereotypical when first presented. I started Naoto's link line waaaaaay too late due to lack of skill requirements, but that is by far the obvious choice for a second playthrough.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 10:05
Naim Master
@Brian Keljore

No you're not , YUKIKO IS MY WAIFU , AGREE OR DIE !!!
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 11:02
F Whipple
Good, no one's taken Rise yet. She's mine!! Anyone who disagrees gets a critical hit to the nads.


I love this game
Brian Keljore's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 11:56
Brian Keljore
@Naim

That's not what she told me last night...

...in my room...

...before Dojima got home.
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 13:08
garison
That was a really great article, unangbangkay. I can't wait to hear your final impressions on the game.

I am in the FINAL dungeon of the game, trying to get the perfect ending. I died on the boss last night after chipping away at his health for about an hour. I guess I just gotta grind some more. I was actually tempted to just YouTube the final cutscene, but after playing this game for almost 130 hours, why would I just spoil it for me? I'm so dumb.

I have yet to play Persona 3, but my little brother is playing it as I play P4. He says it is really good, but I haven't watched him play it, I hate spoilers.

I think that I would have to say that P4 is one of my favourite games of all time. Along with Wind Waker, it is the only game that I have drawn characters and logos all over my stuff. It is actually the first game to make me cry :) I suggest you make multiple save files and try to get all the endings in one playthrough.

And I was much more of a Yukiko guy. Chie is great, but I just found myself much more drawn to Yukiko's character. And Naoto, omg don't get me started about her.

Nice blog!
seigfreid's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 13:54
seigfreid
I got Yukiko then Rise, and I'm working on Chie, Naotos reserved for my 2nd playthrough. I also got Yumi. So I have like 5 girlfriends in that game
thefil's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 14:08
thefil
I'm a little curious how people rack up 100+ hours in this one. I think I was around 50 when I finished with the perfect ending my first game. I did most of the quests/missions, though I admit I only maxed like 60% of the social links. Does it have to do with leaving it paused a lot and reading guides, or do others just take it at a slower pace?
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 14:12
garison
Wow, thefil, how could you possibly finish the game in 50 hrs? That's like almost inhuman! I have to admit, probably about 15-20 hours of my gametime were taken up by pausing the game and checking Dtoid/eating food/other things, but I guess it just took me longer to beat the game because I am not a really experienced RPG player. I had to spend a lot of time learning how to play the game and the whole Persona fusion thing.

But 50 hours, that's unheard of!
Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 14:21
Josh Tolentino
@thefil

As Garison mentioned, a significant portion of game time is taken up by stuff like pausing, food, guides, menu navigation, etc. A lot of my time so far has been in fusion experiments and dungeon grinding. If you're more into maxing the social links, you try as much as possible to make every dungeon run last, since you're spending more time fooling around outside.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 14:46
Kyousuke Nanbu
I have 70 hours and I'm on the 2nd floor of the second to last dungeon.
Sterling Aiayla Lyons's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 14:49
Sterling Aiayla Lyons
I knew as soon as I saw the opening on Destructoid back in the summer of last year that I would like this game. Well, after finishing it, I wasn't disappointed. I won't discuss things too much as to avoid spoilers.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 15:26
Gen Eric Gui
I finished P4 in like 60 hours and I took a lot of breaks. 50 hours is hardly unheard of.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 16:17
Clint
You can have Chie, I'll take Kanji ;)
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 18:16
Kyousuke Nanbu
Persona 4 is seriously one of the best RPG's in recent memory, I can't recall the last time I was so into and RPG.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 19:48
Wedge
Lol, I tried to make Kanji a love interest, and then I was sad when it wouldn't let me =<.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 20:21
Kyousuke Nanbu
Persona 5 should have a male and female MC to choose from and allow you to make boyfriends out of your male party members.
Stella Wong's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 20:45
Stella Wong
YES the flowers! No one talks about those, I think they bring out a nice feeling of "warmth" with the characters. I can always imagine a character smiling really brightly with those flowers around them.

I love Chie, but I think I'm more a Yukiko type.

The scooby doo antics were a great comedy relief at times and I loved it since Persona 3 seemed to be too serious. Don't get me wrong I loves me Persona 3, it just seemed that Persona 4 had more of a fun personality.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 20:57
Wedge
The flowery icons just remind me of Nanako and her singing the Junes jingle. That was sooooooo creepy.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2009 22:52
Josh Tolentino
EVERYDAY'S GREAT AT YOUR JUUU-NEEEES
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2009 09:05
Dan CiTi
I love Chie...I also love Rise...goddamnit. I love his game. It's filled with countless lovable moments.

Now post some good fanart, PLEASE.
BlackFreefall's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2009 09:35
BlackFreefall
This game made me laugh out loud many times. Some of the scenes with Teddie are extremely funny. (11 bowls of noddle anyone?)

The thing that really amazes me is the amount of details the producer placed in this game. (esp. the hotel scene).
I really wanted to discuss about it but I do not want to spoil it for you. So hurry up and beat the game already. ahah
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2009 10:33
Naim Master
@Brian Keljore

I know , she told you are f*ing ugly and that she hates you , because SHE IS MY WAIFU !
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