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My problem with SCV is that its almost as good as SCII, but still not SCII.
We shouldn't still be settling for less three installments later.
We shouldn't still be settling for less three installments later.
At least SCV is almost as good as SCII.
None of the Street Fighter IV games have managed to come close to being as good as SF3:TS or SFA2.
None of the Street Fighter IV games have managed to come close to being as good as SF3:TS or SFA2.
I hate to say it but I felt SCII is still vastly overrated. It will be like Super Street Fighter II. People will claim it's the greatest, Namco spends a bunch of time chasing an imaginary height, finally gives up, and only then, years later, the fanbase comes out and says, "Hey, Street Fighter III wasn't so bad, why'd you give up on it?"
But by that same token, the single player content complaints ARE valid. They also extend to all Japanese fighting games coming out. Know what? Here is the real deal. Mortal Kombat gets nothing but shit from the fighting game community and has been shaming the Japanese fighting game developers on this front since the PS2. Hell, the last two MKs alone should be getting Capcom back to their SFA3 (PSX) and Namco back to their Tekken 3 days. Fighting game devs really do need to acknowledge the fact that a whole lot of the fighting game community doesn't go online with their fighting games. The bigger mystery is why this was KNOWN and ACCOMIDATED for during the Playstation era and here we are, 10 years later, looking at $60 games as $3 experiences again.
But by that same token, the single player content complaints ARE valid. They also extend to all Japanese fighting games coming out. Know what? Here is the real deal. Mortal Kombat gets nothing but shit from the fighting game community and has been shaming the Japanese fighting game developers on this front since the PS2. Hell, the last two MKs alone should be getting Capcom back to their SFA3 (PSX) and Namco back to their Tekken 3 days. Fighting game devs really do need to acknowledge the fact that a whole lot of the fighting game community doesn't go online with their fighting games. The bigger mystery is why this was KNOWN and ACCOMIDATED for during the Playstation era and here we are, 10 years later, looking at $60 games as $3 experiences again.
Sheppy, SCIII, IV, and V were never arcade tested and that actually means a lot of problems have to be sorted out through internet feedback. Do you know how flawed internet feedback is? Then there's the competitive players, who really only come at the game from the perspective of tiers and not fun.
Online testing can never, never, never replace local multiplayer and that's how fighters are truly put through their paces. Going off of the competitive players will never bring a balanced view point.
SCII had it all, the arcade version was put through five iterations before the console version, which was the sixth iteration. SCIII, IV and V did not have thsse itirations but you know what did - Street Fighter III?
There's a reason SFIII Third Strike is so respected and it is not backs people decided it was better after SFIV was out. SFIII TS had a huge following before SFIV was even a thing. The reason SFIV is reviled by these people is it never got the same sort of attention to its iterations.
SFIV spent little time in the arcade and built most of its refinements through the same flawed means that SCV is going for now.
SCII had this amazing feature in its arcade iteration, very similar to Virtua Fighter 4's Kumite mode. It was called Conquest and it built AIs based on players who practiced through that mode.The more you played, the more the AI learned to emulate your style of play with your favored character. Players could challenge other player AIs through this mode to get a robust variety of playstyles from the existing characters.
Namco collected that data to see what they could update and fix or how they could improve the game. The result of all this data collection was a better game.
SCV doesn't have that going for it.
Online testing can never, never, never replace local multiplayer and that's how fighters are truly put through their paces. Going off of the competitive players will never bring a balanced view point.
SCII had it all, the arcade version was put through five iterations before the console version, which was the sixth iteration. SCIII, IV and V did not have thsse itirations but you know what did - Street Fighter III?
There's a reason SFIII Third Strike is so respected and it is not backs people decided it was better after SFIV was out. SFIII TS had a huge following before SFIV was even a thing. The reason SFIV is reviled by these people is it never got the same sort of attention to its iterations.
SFIV spent little time in the arcade and built most of its refinements through the same flawed means that SCV is going for now.
SCII had this amazing feature in its arcade iteration, very similar to Virtua Fighter 4's Kumite mode. It was called Conquest and it built AIs based on players who practiced through that mode.The more you played, the more the AI learned to emulate your style of play with your favored character. Players could challenge other player AIs through this mode to get a robust variety of playstyles from the existing characters.
Namco collected that data to see what they could update and fix or how they could improve the game. The result of all this data collection was a better game.
SCV doesn't have that going for it.
Oh yeah, there's legit complaints against SCV, definitely. The cast does feel much less balanced than it should be.
It's just that complaining about the single-player component isn't a valid complaint. Again, if they focused on the single-player, the community would die as soon as everybody completed single-player - a week or two at best.
Like I said, look at SCIII for the proof. MK9 is even an example, although it HAD a solid fighting engine - NetherRealms Software just can't fucking leave well enough alone and the game changes every day.
I'd love to get into MK9 because I find it fun, but having to relearn the game every time there's a major ain't exactly fun to me. I believe balance patches have a place in fighters, NRS is just using it the wrong way.
It's just that complaining about the single-player component isn't a valid complaint. Again, if they focused on the single-player, the community would die as soon as everybody completed single-player - a week or two at best.
Like I said, look at SCIII for the proof. MK9 is even an example, although it HAD a solid fighting engine - NetherRealms Software just can't fucking leave well enough alone and the game changes every day.
I'd love to get into MK9 because I find it fun, but having to relearn the game every time there's a major ain't exactly fun to me. I believe balance patches have a place in fighters, NRS is just using it the wrong way.
The 2 biggest fighting games, the ones that are played every damn year and will probably never friggin die are Marvel 3 and Street Fighter AE, both had robust single player content.
Stop being a pathetic fanboy and excusing their laziness, "OH HURR DURR THE MULTI IS SO GOOD FUCK THE SP HURR", yea ok, fine you feel that way but don't be a condescending prick to those that don't feel the same, I am not a multiplayer guy, never have been and never will be, both AE and Marvel 3 provided enough SP content to keep me entertained for awhile, Soul Calibur usually some semblance of SP content, Chronicles, the tower, hell just simple arcade endings, SCV stripped this all way, for what? A good multi, woopti fucking do, it will be dead within a few months just like every other non Capcom fighter.
Even your opening line "Its being well received by the fighting game community" makes me laugh, because Soul Calibur had such a robust following and enormous community following it.
The game's a joke and there's no justification for the removal of single player content, non whatsoever.
Stop being a pathetic fanboy and excusing their laziness, "OH HURR DURR THE MULTI IS SO GOOD FUCK THE SP HURR", yea ok, fine you feel that way but don't be a condescending prick to those that don't feel the same, I am not a multiplayer guy, never have been and never will be, both AE and Marvel 3 provided enough SP content to keep me entertained for awhile, Soul Calibur usually some semblance of SP content, Chronicles, the tower, hell just simple arcade endings, SCV stripped this all way, for what? A good multi, woopti fucking do, it will be dead within a few months just like every other non Capcom fighter.
Even your opening line "Its being well received by the fighting game community" makes me laugh, because Soul Calibur had such a robust following and enormous community following it.
The game's a joke and there's no justification for the removal of single player content, non whatsoever.
^ Typical asperger-ridden Dtoid scum.
7K, everything you said is 100% true. Don't waste your time trying to convince these people.
7K, everything you said is 100% true. Don't waste your time trying to convince these people.
@Kyousuke
Single-Player would buy it two weeks, at the most. Even the most fully featured single-player fighting games don't last longer than that.
I think all the complaining about SCV's lack of single-player mode is REALLY doing a disservice to the online features which really should have been STANDARD in fighting games when this console generation started. Lightning fast connections that rival playing with a friend on the same console. A community hub. Rival Stat tracking. Online tournaments.
Why has it taken THIS LONG for a big name fighter to have these features? Now that Namco has done it, Capcom and NetherRealms (along with everyone else who wants to compete) will have to follow suit. Too long has fraudulent online been something we've just dealt with because "That's the way it is."
But whatever, I'm sure you don't care. You'd rather the connections be 56k quality just so you have have 100 sloppily-done "Fight them while their weapons do poison damage/their weapons are invisible/you are invisible/quick sand!" bullcrap.
Single-Player would buy it two weeks, at the most. Even the most fully featured single-player fighting games don't last longer than that.
I think all the complaining about SCV's lack of single-player mode is REALLY doing a disservice to the online features which really should have been STANDARD in fighting games when this console generation started. Lightning fast connections that rival playing with a friend on the same console. A community hub. Rival Stat tracking. Online tournaments.
Why has it taken THIS LONG for a big name fighter to have these features? Now that Namco has done it, Capcom and NetherRealms (along with everyone else who wants to compete) will have to follow suit. Too long has fraudulent online been something we've just dealt with because "That's the way it is."
But whatever, I'm sure you don't care. You'd rather the connections be 56k quality just so you have have 100 sloppily-done "Fight them while their weapons do poison damage/their weapons are invisible/you are invisible/quick sand!" bullcrap.
I remember SCIII...because it came with a demo disc that had one of the Katamari Damacy games on it. Also Chronicles of the Soul, because there was some kind of bug that prevented me from saving. Sigh...
At any rate, I'm with you on the multiplayer aspect. My brother's a fighting game enthusiast, having bought pretty much every fighter this console generation. He's logged thousands of matches in SFIV; his time with the single player pales in comparison. But as you said, SCV's multiplayer is probably its strongest aspect. He hasn't complained once about connection issues/lag; compare that to SFIV or MvC3, where I hear him moan every other match.
I'm not good enough at fighting games to make any observations about SCV's nuances, but to me the game feels right. I'm glad to have it, and I'm glad others far more skilled than me are excited to play it and dissect it.
At any rate, I'm with you on the multiplayer aspect. My brother's a fighting game enthusiast, having bought pretty much every fighter this console generation. He's logged thousands of matches in SFIV; his time with the single player pales in comparison. But as you said, SCV's multiplayer is probably its strongest aspect. He hasn't complained once about connection issues/lag; compare that to SFIV or MvC3, where I hear him moan every other match.
I'm not good enough at fighting games to make any observations about SCV's nuances, but to me the game feels right. I'm glad to have it, and I'm glad others far more skilled than me are excited to play it and dissect it.
I think the part of the problem here is that we are assuming a good single player and solid multiplayer have to be mutually exclusive. I have always thought Soul Calibur has had a lot to offer as far as single player modes go, Chronicles of the Sword being a great example. No one is "right or wrong". My disappointment stems from the fact that a lot of content that has been historically present in previous Soul Caliburs has been removed (like museum mode). Even single player content traditional to fighting games in general, i.e. character endings, was removed. It perplexes me why this choice was made as developers usually come up with pretty cool or comical endings to each character (for example Tekken endings). I feel they are a blast to unlock and watch. Furthermore, when a game has 30 characters that's already a lot of single player content. I'm glad that some gamers can be satisified with a strong multiplayer component alone, but I don't feel it is all unreasonable to want (or expect) a solid single player experience as well from a fighting game, especially from a series which has had great offerings in the past.
