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What is a Subrosian?

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My name is [Dark Lord Mooshi-Mooshi], I've been a gamer since before I could walk, and I will probably die clutching a Gameboy (and maybe the gun that kills me). I've been gaming long enough to generally know which way the wind blows, and sometimes when that wind blows past the typical crap-storm of hype & marketing that is typical gaming journalism, it stinks. So I came here, to Destructoid, a site that takes being not-so-serious quite-seriously, to share with you my twisted views.

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Everything... apparently. Sony's titular Fat Princess has the internet up in arms, as the knee-jerk blogosphere once again demonstrates that it has absolutely no sense of humor. The internet is serious business! Curious if I had somehow missed the sinister agenda behind this game, I dug deep into Kotaku and Joystiq's coverage of the outcry, and came back more confused than ever. Just to be clear, at this point, we're talking about this game shown below:

This "wicked" game revolves around players working as a team to rescue a chunky princess, while the opposing team may stuff her with more tasty treats to weigh her down, and make it harder on the rescuers. The positively adorable animations belay inquiry into its dark agenda - as this title (apparently) promotes homophobia, negative stereotypes of obesity, and sexism! Oh my! I took another look, having previously overlooked the dastardly agenda of evil that is Fat Princess.

Feminist gamer writes that Fat Princess will "reinforce nasty stereotypes about women and the obese", while Melissa McEwan writes on blogspot that Fat Princess will create a "new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative assholes" Wow! The detractors of this game have all guns blazing based on a few minutes of promo footage! I suppose then, that I'm forced to retort, with a simple question:

"Do you think people are so stupid that they get their views on life from videogames?”

No, really, let's answer that. Melissa, darling your weight doesn't make you ugly to me - holding up your middle finger at a *cartoon* is what makes you unattractive. It's what's inside that counts, after all, right? And what's at the root of this debate is the troubling implication that gamers are somehow stupid, easily influenced, hate-filled human beings who, upon seeing a game with a big beautiful princess, start chucking rocks at the nearest buxom lady.

Gamers aren't stupid, immoral jerks - we're a mixed bag, just like the rest of society. Straight, gay fat, thin, tall, short, male, female, and everything in between. Now, that's not to say that there aren't closed-minded gamers, just as there are closed-minded people who aren't gamers - but let's not blame the games. After all, I spent most of my childhood playing Sonic and Mario, and I've yet to have any desire to become a plumber, take up marathon running, or force my girlfriend to put on pink dresses and hide in castles. What's at the heart of this debate is the idea that society sends a negative image of the obese, and I'm not one to contest that - what I do contest is that this game is to blame.

A few years ago, a study was undertaken in which men were asked to select the most attractive woman out of a variety of pictures. The photos covered women of all shapes and sizes, from anorexic-thin to heavyset. Then, a group of women were shown the same pictures, and asked to select the one they felt would be most attractive to men. The women, on average, selected thinner women than the men did. In fact, the men largely selected women on the upper-normal end of a "normal weight" BMI. What does this tell us?

Well - society is sending a negative body image to women, but men seem to largely find all shapes and sizes attractive. Interesting, it shows we have a problem, but who is to blame?
A quick Google search for "Fat Princess" lead me to all sorts of interesting sites (turn on Safe Search for your own safety here!) and to finding that plenty of men wanted a princess with more meat on her bones. Hmm, well, Princess Peach *was* always a little too willowy. What's the harm, and where's the blame? Well, apparently, Fat Princess. Forget books, magazines, over-pushy soccer moms telling their daughters that the must fit in a size 4 dress or little boys being told they mustn’t date that "fat Suzy Jenkins", no, clearly an unpublished videogame is at fault!

The concern here seems to be yet another bad case of "let's blame games for everything", and it has backfired on a genuinely cute, playful, fun little title. After all, what's wrong with the princess being fat? Would it be better if she were skinny? Would it be less offensive if you tied rocks to her to weight her down? The implication here is that there's something wrong with a portly princess, that she should somehow be ashamed. Should the knights not be rescuing her? They seem eager and dedicated to the task of rescuing their fair lady - why would a game that supposedly encourages me to hate fat people make rescuing the heavyset princess such a joyous occasion?

Perhaps, in reality, the blogosphere simply looks to react negatively to anything in gaming - hoping to place blame for greater social ills on a harmless amusement. But, at a certain point, it's simple ridiculous. It's utterly nonsensical to throw out terms like "heteronormative" in regard to a simplistic cartoon game - would a prince rescuing his life partner make for a more edifying game? Wouldn't that then leave out female relationships altogether? In a world without common sense, that would be a tragedy, but really, I doubt the class sic "prince charming" fairy tale rescue is to blame for homophobia, and it's a bit silly to turn to a *videogame* to teach a new generation of children about sexuality.

And that's simply the point of it all - who’s really to blame for social ills? Parents? Teachers? Traditional Media? Generations of stereotypes and sexism? Maybe all of the above - but the hunt to point fingers has seemingly led us off the deep end, when we start pointing fingers at a cutesy bubbling princess as the source of all ills. Now really, having dug deep, scoured the argument of all meat, and starred at the bright-eyed royal rescue that is Fat Princess, there's really nothing left to say but "give me a break!"

I don't know about you, but I look forward to hauling a hefty princess home to my PS3 as soon as possible. I guess I'll just have to live with the terrible implications if Fat Princess should convince me big women are just more fun to be around.

-Subrosian



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Nice writeup!
Wow, excellent blog, haven't seen you around, so welcome if you're new, and sorry for not acknowledging you if you've been around for a while.

You're absolutely right, people on the internet are getting too upset over a game. Especially one they haven't even played yet. I guess there will always be people out there who are looking for something to be offended by. Luckily, all they're managing to do is discredit themselves even more with their behavior. So it's all good.
If it were a Fat Prince, we wouldn't be hearing shit from anyone about it. It's just the big mouthed feminists with no sense of humor who can't just shut the fuck up.
Damn, good job!
I don't know who you are, nor do I care. That was a fantastic first post and I look forward to more of your work.

Welcome to Destuctoid~<3
Nice writeup man. Very good points. People always look for someone else to blame, I see it every day, its never my fault its always someone elses fault. Its not my fault I craked my phone in half when I was angry, its the company's fault they can't make a device to stand up to that.

In respect to this game I don't think any more/less of overweight people because of it. I've got a few friends that are overweight, ladies too, and I never think any less of them because of it. Sure there are people that make fun, laugh or whatever, but those kinds of people will never go away. I think this is the flavor of the month right now, in a few months the crusaders will have moved on to something else.

The world is what you make it. If it gives you lemons, make lemonade.
You sir, are far too intelligent for the innernets.

Great write-up man. Best I've read on the subject since Leigh Alexander's at SVGL.
Nothing is wrong with it. It is, in fact, AWESOME
On so many levels, great job!

Not to stab at anything but I bet if the game was called "Fat Prince" no one would have batted an eye and we would have heard no complaints....

Almost like that shirt that said "Boys are dumb, throw rocks at them" it took like what 2 years before someone said something about it and it was taken off shelves? If it had said "Girls are dumb...etc it would not have lasted a single week!

.....just sayin
When you think about it, the one team is rescuing the princess even if she's fat or not and continue to try even when she gets fatter. To me, this doesn't reinforce bad stereotypes about fat women, this game shows that it doesn't matter if your skinny or fat, it's about who you are that counts

Besides, I like a little cushion for the pushing. No twigs for me thanks.
Awesome write-up. The only real drama here is that I do not have a PS3 to play the game on :P
Offtopic, but is your name from Zelda : Oracle of Seasons?
@Twisted Imp

Yes, my name is from Oracle of Seasons!


@SLiFE

Thank you


@mix

People are just looking for sexism & stereotypes where they don't exist. Absolutely true, an unrealistic image or bashing of men would slide right by - didn't hear any whining that Marcus Fenix encouraged men to use steroids.
@Subrosian

So true!

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