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Does Nintendo appreciate their fans?
shmelo | 3:17 PM on 01.27.2008 18 comments


To start I think we (Nintendo fans) should be honest. None of us wanted motion controls or a tiny little machine with a sensor bar. After the Game Cube seemed to be a technical flop we wanted something to combat Sony and Microsoft. We wanted real jean texture in Mario's overalls, a Zelda title with voice acting, full orchestra and CGI cut scenes!

Nintendo's first console proved that video games were more than Pong and Pac-Man, Mario and Zelda were technical breakthroughs. Nintendo fans have always appreciated more in depth games. The first and second Nintendo console also were able to house a Final Fantasy game, Nintendo fans are not casual gamers, for over twenty years (of course I haven't lived that long) we've been loyal to great gaming. All patterns from the NES to the Nintendo 64 show that we were quite content with simple (yet huge) technical improvements. Nintendo will never achieve the same impact as Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 because those two were the first 3D outings of Link and Mario.



The gaming world responded very well to the 3D graphics, now environments could be more complex along with game play. However the Game Cube's rather... minor increase in graphics showed a slight unease in Nintendo's plans. The Wii's... well Wii games can have more lighting effects but thats about it. There is no improvement. The problem is, motion control technology in hard core games depletes the game play. When the technicality of a console has not improved and the hard core games lack in game play due to technology... something is wrong.

From the advertising campaign to the news reports, the Wii is being sold as a "toy" and not a game console. Elder folks are getting more enjoyment out of the Wii than the Nintendo fans.

The Wii sports game may be fun, but along with Wii play and Wii fit it shows the title of the console along with games that are... rather sporty as apposed to real time consuming deep adventures. Nintendo is marketing everyone, except the gamers. The gamers whom have been deep fans of the great titles that Nintendo *used* to come out with.

Their absence of care for graphics has pushed other developers (Square Enix) to other consoles where their games can be properly show cased. Without improving the technology like everyone else, the Wii limits its library. Assassins Creed could have been on the Wii but the developers said they couldn't bring the processing requirements of the game down enough for the Wii.



This turn in Nintendo's goal has probably made it easier for Microsoft's Xbox to gain such power.

All I'm saying is that the hardware sales of the Wii show Nintendo prefers cold hard cash over a very loyal fan base. Of course their software sales are not nearly as commendable.

Thank you for reading this rather drab "article", I should point out that the proof is the game selection, news reports (from any local news source, and numerous posts from Destructoid and Joystiq, and in Nintendo's future titles (or lack thereof).



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14 comments | showing # 1 to 14
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Lithium's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:01
Lithium
I agree with you. Minus the motion sensing part (I think it great...If the lazy devs actually tried to push it)
bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:01
bloodylip
Who are you to tell me what I wanted after the Gamecube? I'm happy that Nintendo isn't chasing ultrarealism. I happen to like style over realism. So after reading your speculation that I'm a Nintendo fan that wants to play PS3, I stopped reading your blog post. You're a failure.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:05
B-Radicate
Completely agreed. Nintendo doesn't give a shit about its fans. All they care about is the quick buck "new" gamers are tossing their way and completely disregarding all of their loyal fans who have stuck with them through thick and thin.

The Wii will likely be my last Nintendo product if they keep this trend up. I already find the games slightly underwhelming (Smash hasn't arrived, so forgive me) and the motion controls just piss me off in most games, like Super Mario Galaxy.
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:15
CaffeinePowered
I think they still care, I really enjoyed Galaxy and Twilight Princess, and Im sure brawl will be awesome too.

But why shame on them for trying to get more people into gaming?

As bloodylip said I'm glad they aren't going down the 'race for the best hardware' path and are doing it right, no console should ever cost more than $300 in my book.
Slade's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:17
Slade
I don't think nintendo's blue ocean strategy has been a double edge sword.

The positive is that nintendo is now seeing a revival in its home console division with the Wii selling out like hotcakes and several of its first party games are selling well.

However this has come at a disadvantage the more hardcore nintendo fanboys who are clamouring for games that just don't use silly waggles. Its not nintendo doesn't care about its fans, they're releasing their first party games as soon as possible and most of them are fairly well done. However, the influx and rise of the "casual" gamer has made it hard for Nintendo to please the hardcore gamer.

If anything its this casual market of gamers (girls, older adults) that has shifted marketing and development strategies for Wii games. You have developers like Suda 51 that want to make a hardcore game but as in japan, it didn't sell well. But you look at games like Carnival games and its selling well on amazon. This is becoming the issue with the Wii cause now many publishers and developers are not going to spend money to make a decent looking game that may take months to develop when they can easily make some mini game collection using motion controls. Maybe patcher will be right and Nintendo will make a some type of addon/newer HD Wii that will allow some awesome 3rd party games seen on the 360/ps3 be ported over to appease the Hardcore gamers and HDTV adopters. Until then, best thing "hardcore" Nintendo gamers can do is support good games and disappprove quick cash in shovel wares.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:21
Holyetheline
I'm about as hardcore as gamers come... and I really think the Wii is doing great. I like all the systems, all for their own reasons. Gameplay on Wii for the most part is pretty good... Each system has something good to offer. Don't hate on Nintendo for doing something different.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:22
Gameboi
I will admit that they should have put a little more under the hood for graphics, but they had to do something. The GameCube was a little powerhouse with nice visuals, but it didn't stop the PS2 from stomping it into oblivion.

The change to the Wiimote made good sense. It was a way to set themselves apart from the competition, and not break the bank in the process. I think they care about us as much as any company does...including Sony and Microsoft. At the end of the day, they are a business, and need to do whatever it takes to protect their interests in order to "live to fight another day."
tsunamikitsune's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:59
tsunamikitsune
If Nintendo appreciated their fans, we'd have Mother 3 in English. D:
shmelo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 18:36
shmelo
In response to bloodylip, this post is quite unfair as there are some good games. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, but the general library is not good. Plus with ultra realism you can still pull off style. I'm not saying I don't like Mario Galaxy's graphics, they're great, but the overall potential of the console, holds itself back.
Vegas's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 19:55
Vegas
Yes Nintendo appreciates their fans, Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, and even Warioware were great Wii games. Most of the garbage comes from 3rd parties and their terrible mini-game collections.

You make some good points in your blog but Nintendo has always been about innovation and artistic style over pure power. Each generation they improve something, instead of just tacking on better specs. They can't afford to create a powerhouse machine and sell it for little or no profit like Microsoft or Sony.
Monkeycat's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 20:13
Monkeycat
<Main Point>

The fact that -real- gamers care more about gameplay than graphics makes your entire argument invalid. Sure there are a lot of posers out there that care about visuals before anything else, but their opinions don't really matter in an industry of -interactive- entertainment.

</Main Point><Supporting Rant>

Nintendo's strategy for a long time has been thus: Develop more efficient and reliable hardware.

This, to the scrubs who care, seems like they refuse to keep up in console horsepower. However, which systems always have the lowest failure rate, and the quickest loading times? Anyways, who cares about graphics as long as they're not so bad they hurt your eyes? I like a pretty game as much as the next person, but i'm not going to refuse to play something with mildly dated visuals if it is FUN. Same thing with 'cute' or 'kiddy' labels. Fun is fun, and if you can't accept that you need to grow up.

Along with hardware refinement, Nintendo has a penchant for refining control mechanisms to industry-defining standards. Nintendo did not invent the D-pad, analog control, memory cards, haptic feedback, touch screens, or motion control... but who brought each and every one of them to unprecedented popularity and acceptance in the videogame industry?

Did consumers ever really ask for any of these things?

Outsiders can be forgiven their ignorance of Nintendo's role in this industry, but if you claim to be a serious gamer, you either give them their due or you are a poser.

Also, the argument has already been made that the PS2, the WEAKEST of the last generation's consoles was the clear winner. Graphics are not the future. They improve incrementally over time, but do not define which console is better than another. Proven by the PS2, the DS, and now the Wii. Better games make better consoles.

</Supporting Rant>
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 20:48
Aaron Mxy Yost
I agree with pretty much everyone that disagrees with you, sorry. Graphics are near the bottom of my list of what makes a game enjoyable to me. I honestly think MS and Sony focused on HD graphics too early. They priced themselves out of reach of the mass market to cater to relatively small audience of early high tech adopters. And every game console is a toy, don't kid yourself.
shmelo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/28/2008 11:05
shmelo
Upon playing Galaxy more last night, I do think that Nintendo's game developers care, but you all must admit some sort of distaste for the way the Wii is being marketed. The casual campaign has probably given 3rd party developers an excuse to make crap.
shmelo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2008 18:45
shmelo
It may be nothing new, but its now Nintendo's "apparent" main goal. To appeal to everybody else.

The way this could turn out is that Nintendo is trying to widen the audience of gamers, then the casual gamers look into more hard core games and become addicted just like us.

Thats the positive way of looking at Nintendo's strategy, but right now its hurting the library (aside from Mario, Zelda and Metroid... and soon Brawl).
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