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Battling with Boss Battles
randombullseye | 9:26 AM on 08.26.2009 17 comments




Boss battles as cutscenes has to end. I hate it. I hate it more than I hate that movie Contact. And let me tell you, I hate that fucking movie. It's longer than Dune. It's twice as boring as Gigli with less famous people. There are no robots in the movie or super heroes. No tits. No pinball machines. It is essentially the worst movie ever. Even titanic had tits and some murder. This movie has nothing. I sometimes sit in anger and say "Why the fuck did I watch Contact?" I can't be the only one. A lot of people gripe about that movie. It fucking lingers. It's like a chigger or vanerial disease. You can't get rid of it.



I want a boss battle that actually is a fucking battle. Not a "hit him with this, run behind him, touch a button during the movie, then do that a couple more times." I want a fucking epic battle. Castlevania has epic and real boss battles. Metal Gear Solid has real boss battles. Gears of War does not. Gears of War 2 has a battle with a man with two chainsaws that essentially comes down to dodging his attacks, something I hate doing in a game especially one meant to make you feel like a tough guy, then pressing a button more times and faster than him a few times to kill him. Bullshit. That isn't a battle. That's a movie with me pushing a button and watching what happens. A choose your own adventure where I have no choice. It has to end.



Resident Evil has boss battles. A good boss battle is one where you shoot at enemies until they die. New ones, if a weak point gets exposed and THEN you go into crazy button press mode, that's okay. Especially where its apartment that you're doing damage like in the recent games. Otherwise the most classic battles to me are from the first two. Running around fighting whatevers with the magnum is so satisfying. I just aim, shoot an asshole, and he takes damage. Run around a bit letting him chase me and try and attack, then shoot him. Dead, no wait not really! Then somehow you get rockets and now he's dead. Then in Fable 2, bosses wouldn't take damage until they felt like it. Until all these little ghost creatures where destroyed. Or when they stopped talking long enough for me to shoot them. In a way, it was hilarious and wonderful that it didn't have the boss I expected. In others, that was disappointing. Considering I paid sixty dollars for the game. Don't even get me started on the final one. An un-boss. Also worth mentioning is Resident Evil 5, a game that wasn't out when I first wrote this. The final boss there had several goof ups. I had to shoot a rocket, then shoot the rocket? Then in that last battle I had to run up and press X to finally kill him. I tried for a few hours unleashing every bit of weaponry I had. I thought I had to hit his weak points, but no. I had to run up and press X. That's it! Just press one button and kill the boss and that's it. That's your finale? All these years with the series and THAT was all I had to do?



Final Fantasy has some bosses. Bosses that are just regular enemies, but super powerful. Persona has some bosses. These bosses are what I want. Marvel Ultimate Alliance has bosses that infuriate me. As awesome as the game is, the boss battles are nothing more than watching movies and pressing buttons at the right time. The Kraken boss is the most awful, as you have to have him smash a pillar, run into it, press some buttons in a Shenmue style game, then do that four times and he's dead. That's not a boss battle. Some boss battles are more akin to regular beat em up flair, which is wonderful. Like a scene where you fight an Iron Man villain. That was cool. But when you fight Galactus and it is just the Silver Surfer flying around attacking in the same pattern four times, my rage kicks in. Something that can be more painful than Spider-Man's brand new day. Seriously, Mephesto didn't want Spider-man and Mary Jane to be married? What the fuck. Seriously Marvel, that was the dickest of all the dick moves. Clones I can take. Marrying Mary Jane, sure. But this shit is a step backwards. Way backwards. And this was over a year ago, and I'm still feeling it. I feel hurt. Like something that I considered special was laughed at and tossed to the side. Spider-man's games have always had AMAZING boss battles, if nothing else, but what made them so special was that I fought them just like a regular enemy. Rhino in Ultimate Spider-man for example has you dodge his attacks, then attack him from behind where he can't see you. Yes, that sounds horrible. But its what I'm talking about. You just regularly attack his back. No special button presses. It makes sense for Spider-man to dodge him when you're so tiny compared to him. But in Gears of War you're captain eat shit for breakfast and take names for lunch. You literally have a friend run over and slap you to bring you back to life. Spider-man has to use some sort of cunning to roll around a boss and dodge his attacks, he has no healing nonsense. It's about doing a normal attack on his back. Same with the Shocker battles. You web up his paddles and hit him. That's a good boss battle to me, using what you've got your basic regular attacks to do some damage.



You know what's really horrible in an RPG? Boss battles you're supposed to lose. That you're supposed to lose. I don't like to lose. I'll use a fucking game genie if I have to win. I don't care. I'm the type who thinks baseball players using performance enhancers is fully acceptable. No problems for me, let's see how gigantic and disproprtional they can get. Same with wrestlers. I'll bet some of them can't wipe their own ass without assistance. I hate losing a battle. Especially in an RPG. Its exactly what you're supposed to not do. Losing is dying, and dying means restarting. Legend of Dragoon for example has a battle on the third disk you're supposed to lose. I didn't know. I kept trying it and trying it. I hit reset when I die so I don't have to watch twenty minutes of "GAME OVER" with some horrific song playing. I just wanted to play the fucking game. Just blast through and get it over with. Gameshark let me get to the fourth disc with extreme ease, but when I got there I was so bored and knew I could beat it that I just didn't bother. Years later I tried again and couldn't get off the first disc. I don't know, I guess that's one for the never finished articles.

I said the F word eight times in this article.



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Arkhon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 10:02
Arkhon
I like the way you put quotes from the blog in the pictures. That said, I really don't agree with you about boss battles.
TheDRMaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 10:15
TheDRMaster
Three words for you: No. More. Heroes.

The game actually rewarded you with boss battles. The first boss was so fun that you're excited to get to the next one. That's how Boss Battles should be. So, uh, agreed.
Rock Handsome's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 10:38
Rock Handsome
"Especially where its apartment that you're doing damage"
yeah shoot his apartment that'll learn 'em
randombullseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 11:00
randombullseye
I use spell check and get criticized, I don't use spell check and get criticized.

I can't win.
Bulkmailer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 11:20
Bulkmailer
Skorge is the only shitty part in Gears 2. The last boss in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door is terrible also.
SuitcoatAvenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 11:21
SuitcoatAvenger
I just want you to know that "captain eat shit for breakfast and take names for lunch" is my new favorite thing.

Also, I think one of the biggest problems with modern boss battles is that they get caught up in the spectacle and don't really deliver something that's actually rewarding or compelling. Sure, you could be fighting your mortal enemy mano-a-mano on a spaceship as it burns up through orbit with a nuclear bomb strapped to the hull as the timer ticks down to zero, but if the throwdown happens as a Quick Time Event, who gives a crap?

A great boss battle requires you to use the skills you've accumulated not just throughout the structure of the game itself, but also those you as a gamer have gathered during your playtime.
Tralfmadoria's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 11:24
Tralfmadoria
One gripe I have against some bosses is that after a furiously paced and challenging fight where I give my all, I'm treated to a cutscene where, for obligatory plot purposes, my character instantly looses the fight, leaving me feeling helpless. If I put the time and effort into defeating a boss, you bet I want a reward for it.

Good article. I agree that manual-based boss fights where one uses their core skills that they've had all along make for far better fights than the automatic QTE-fests one sees in many modern games. And you should seriously consider THEDRMASTER's recomendation of No More Heroes. That game is a boss-fight galore.
ryderbackside's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 11:39
ryderbackside
Funny stuff. I echo a lot of that. Like I always hated the last boss 'battle' in Earthbound. And in the first Tales of Destiny on PS1, early on there is a 'must lose' battle, and when I experimented with Gameshark, a different ending occurred, right then! Like 8 hours into what's normally a 40+ hour game!
But yea, funny article, good observations.
Saskatchewhoa's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 11:59
Saskatchewhoa
@Ryderbackside

Gotta respectfully disagree with you there, since the last boss battle of Earthbound blew my mind when I first played it at age 10 and I loved how it connected Ness' efforts to everyone he had helped throughout the game. While the game did take the power away from the player, it is had the effect of making the player feel like they were not alone in the face of pure evil.

As for the argument about QTE Boss Battles, I agree with everyone here 100%. Fucking hate them. Playing Mad World was the most empty gaming experience I've had in a long time. Every boss fight wound up being a matter of waiting for the boss to expose his one huge fucking weakness theeeeeeeen WAGGLEWAGGLEWAGGLEWAGGLEWAGGLE!
Deathofthedead's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 12:00
Deathofthedead
Mr. Handsome's not making fun because you spelled it right or wrong, it's that I think you meant to say 'apparent' there, not apartment.

Anyway, I think that there's room in the gaming world for games with great boss fights (Persona, Castlevania, etc. like you mentioned), "gimmick"-style boss fights (like the Kraken you mentioned, or, say, the Krauser knife fight in RE4), and even *gasp* no boss fights at all.

Or to put it another way: I, like you, am a fan of amazing traditional boss fights, but they don't have to be in every game.
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 12:01
Char Aznable
The biggest disgrace in Gears 2 isn't the fight you mentioned (which also sucks), but the final boss - the big, mutated Brumak floating in the lava shit. You just fly around in a helicopter and shoot the hammer of dawn at him a few times, and I don't think it's even possible to die during this. Such a let-down for an otherwise very exciting campaign.

Does the Mega Man series do boss battles well in your view? Wily's Castle could be considered one huge boss, where you build on the skills you've learned throughout the game to solve puzzles and take out imposing enemies with your new tricks.

Also, your reference to Contact urged me to go to IMDB and look at random posts on their message board with people's theories on the movie. I want those 5 minutes of my life back.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 13:44
Elsa
On Contact... the book was great, the movie sucked! :)

Personally I'm not really big on Boss Battles. I don't know why... but in general I guess I find that they are a purposefully difficult section of the game and usually feel contrived. I think I just prefer "tough sections" in a game.... where maybe you're up against a horde of really good enemies - it just feels more "real" than one guy (especially if I'm supposed to be a badass!).

An interesting read!
Ballistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 14:28
Ballistic
Your hatred of the movie Contact amuses me. What if I were to say that I enjoyed the sections I've seen of it? Yeah, I've never sat through it from beginning to end, I value my time and sanity.
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 16:25
ace of knaves
Oh I love Ultimate Spider-Man so much. The boss battles that start with you chasing them through New York? You actually feel like the wall crawler himself. That, Hulk Ultimate Destruction, and now Arkham Asylum are pretty much the only superhero games to accomplish that.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2009 19:38
Cowboy TTop
Boss battles are a good part of games.

My most memorable:

Parasitic Arachnic Gohma in LoZ: Ocarina of Time. Crazy spider like tree shit

Ganondorf in Loz: Ocarina of Time. Cool fight, I totally loved the use of pictures, the tennis like energy blast stuff.

Dont forget Psycho Mantis in MGS. Freaking awesome stuff.
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