Quantcast
Destructoid - quiche's Community Blog




About Me
Gamer Profile
3DS friend code:
Steam:
Battle:
PSN:
Mii:
Gamertag:
Following (8)
Aerox
atheistium
Bob Muir
ceark
Grocerspride
nintendoll
triG
Y0j1mb0
GH4 Drums: First Impressions
quiche | 3:50 AM on 05.13.2008 17 comments


The design of Guitar Hero 4's drumkit has just been revealed in the latest GameInformer, which was leaked on powerglove's c-blog (http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/power-glove/the-first-shot-of-the-drum-kit-that-will-be-used-in-gh-4-85746.phtml). It has six buttons in total, including the bass pedal.



At first glance, the kit looks like a carbon copy of the one used in Konami's Drummania games. The placement of the hi-hat, cymbol, toms, and snare appears almost identical, although the colors have been slightly remixed much like the sort of "original" characters you'd come across on DeviantArt. On closer inspection the hi-hat and cymbol pads are more elevated, and between the snares and toms. This means that players won't be bullied into crossing over their arms to play the faster hi-hat/snare patterns as often happens in Drummania. Also the tiered pads should allow players to move and roll between notes with greater fluidity, which is definitely a plus. Another nifty inclusion is the ability to accept velocity data, which I'm guessing will lead to a wider range of drum sounds. The bass pedal is the only thing that looks like it belongs in a Rock Band kit, but hopefully won't be as stiff and frustrating to use.

In the same article, the project director reveals that these drums will be much quieter than Rock Band's primitive hard plastic ones, and the GameInformer staff reported an "very positive" first hands-on experience with them. The devs also make the bold claim that, "This thing is not going to crack."

A few things bother me about this article. Firstly they say that Activision now owns all the patents to the technologies created by John Devecka, which were used "in all following music games, including Guitar Hero, Rock Band, and Konami's Dance Dance Revolution." ALL following music games? What is the exact technology that he pioneered, anyway? This misleading passage makes it sound like Activision now owns the right to make whatever rhythm games and peripherals they want in the US, no matter how derivative. The way things are going, that seems to be exactly the case.



Despite all that, the most offensive thing to me is that Drummania is not mentioned once in this article. GameInformer acts as though they haven't seen anything like the GH4 drumset before, saying Activision took inspiration from "professional electronic kits." Obviously, the inspiration came from Drummania, whose kits were made by Yamaha. Yes, Devecka was responsible for the first Drum simulation game, but the kit from MTV Drumscape looks very different from Drummania's.



In short: GH4's kit is more similar to Drummania's, than Drummania's kit is to Drumscape's.

What this really shows is that the patent laws are a complete mess. As the wikipedia article says, "MTV Games holds the US patent for "drum simulation games", which MTV took full advantage of with the release of Rock Band" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drummania). How can such a broad category of game be restricted to one company? It's not like Microsoft is the only developer that can make flight sims!

Despite all the bitching, I have to admit that this drumset looks good, nay great, and perhaps even an improvement over the Drummania home version peripherals (though not likely their expensive arcade counterparts). The only thing I'm worried about is the bass pedal, which could ruin the whole experience if it's not made right. But then again, Rock Band was good enough for America, so I guess it'll sell either way.



Is this post awesome? Vote it up!

0



Post a comment! You can also post a photo below:

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

14 comments | showing # 1 to 14
prev next

razerangel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 05:27
razerangel
"although the colors have been slightly remixed much like the sort of "original" characters you'd come across on DeviantArt" um what?

BTW patent means that the thing that is patented is owned wholly by the patent holder, and to use the patent you must license its use from the patent holder. It does not mean ZOMG ONLY ONE COMPANY CAN USE THIS PATENT. It also doesnt mean OMGWTF I HOLD THE PATENT FOR UNDERLYING TECHNOLOGIES SO I AM THE GODDAMN RYTHM GAME KING ZOMG!!111!
Tricoden's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 05:28
Tricoden
Sigh, I guess GH4 is out of the question. I'm not buying a whole new plethora of instruments
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 06:22
BluDesign
Well, have fun activision. I know which game is out NOW with this exact same feature set and I'm enjoying it now.

Oh, and the game I'm currently enjoying has ZERO Linkin Park.
Macca's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 07:06
Macca
They have a customer if they actually release it in this part of the world. Fuck you EA/Harmonix/MTV. I also like the look of this kit more than the Rock Band one.
Too Much Coffee Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 07:10
Too Much Coffee Man
Is GH going to come out w/ a patch that lets guitar & drum play together?

If it's a solo endeavor I'm not interested i already have a Roland V-Drum set.
quiche's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 07:16
quiche
Didn't you get the memo? GH4 is going to be a Rock Band-style game with all the same instruments. At this time I don't think they've worked out the hardware/software bundles though.
ShawnKelfonne's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 07:53
ShawnKelfonne
6 buttons? What, did they feel that they had to go that extra little bit to one-up Rock Band?

More buttons doesn't necessarily mean more fun, though it can definitely mean more frustration.
garrfunkel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 08:57
garrfunkel
If Activision managed to get this released in Europe before Rock Band (which is looking likely) then they will make a butt-load of money from the people that have been waiting for Harmonix to get their shit together.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 10:32
king3vbo
Mmm no thanks. I'll just stick with the game that doesnt get rereleased every November.
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 11:28
Corak
Not interested in buying a whole new setup to play GH4. While rock band is fun by most people I talk to that have it, I don't have friends over that much anymore and have no need for the whole drum kit. If they released a guitar only game that doesn't require the drums and I can use my GH3 guitar I'd get it, otherwise no.
PetiePal's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 12:23
PetiePal
Now people are going to start bitching about the Rock Band/Guitar hero peripherals all over again :P
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 14:05
Samit Sarkar
Great blog, quiche! You provide some pretty in-depth analysis from just a single picture here. As others have said, it looks cool, but I refuse to blow another $170+ on a second set of instrument peripherals. I’ll stick with Rock Band.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 23:05
Aaron Mxy Yost
But this one has cymbals!
jtd00123's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/22/2008 23:01
jtd00123
"What is the exact technology that he pioneered, anyway?"

Well for one, the drum-response technology seen in Konomi's Drummania for starters. Look at the circular disks reprsenting drums on both Drumscape and Drummania, they look exactly the same. In fact, they are from the same technology. Rearranging the placement doesn't bypass patent infringment.

I remember when big-bad Harmonix was getting flak from bloggers on "stealing" technology from Konomi's Drummania and Guitar Freaks. Another Western company stealing ideas. The joke is that the Drum technology was actually invented by another Western company and the "victim" Konomi was also guilty of borrowing ideas themselves for Drummania. The microphone periphial was actually developed originally by Harmonix for Konomi's Karaoke revolution.

The only think Rock Band borrowed from Konomi was the Guitar controller, but Harmonix did add their own additions, including extra buttons, a whammy bar, rocking out, and hammer-on. In fact, I can make an argument that Drummania is more like Drumscape then Guitar Freaks is like Guitar Hero. The fact is, whatever you think of Harmonix, they were the first to add vocals, drums, and guitar into one game, while implementing a saving feature to rescue bandmates not seen in music games before. To say they have added nothing to the genre is a joke, and the only thing they "stole" from Konami was the Guitar.

As for GH4 drums more resembling Drummania, this is true, but the technology used for Drummania is still owned by the company that started Drumscape. Both Neversoft and Konomi have to go through them first. When compared to say Donkey Konga, they all really resemble each other anyway.
prev next

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

Comments policy

Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!