I'm not upset.
I'm getting twenty free games as opposed to the four Sony offered beteween two platforms during their outage. Aside from INfamous, most of the PS3 choices weren't good games or one that had just be outdated with an update (LBP).
Dead Nation is nice and all, but not something I'd play. There wasn't even a PSP game offered that I wanted.
The five GBA titles listed are something I would play and there's five more.
I can't complain, as that already outstrips what PSN offered me. I'd wager the other five GBA games are pretty good ones, too.
I'm getting twenty free games as opposed to the four Sony offered beteween two platforms during their outage. Aside from INfamous, most of the PS3 choices weren't good games or one that had just be outdated with an update (LBP).
Dead Nation is nice and all, but not something I'd play. There wasn't even a PSP game offered that I wanted.
The five GBA titles listed are something I would play and there's five more.
I can't complain, as that already outstrips what PSN offered me. I'd wager the other five GBA games are pretty good ones, too.
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I'm not upset. Actually, I'm excited! Why you ask? Well, I can now finally afford a 3DS!
Anyway, if the 3DS was released this month it would be a different story - Nintendo was silly in releasing it so early.
Anyway, if the 3DS was released this month it would be a different story - Nintendo was silly in releasing it so early.
I purchased a 3DS at launch because I believed they would deliver to me a great gaming experience, and my extra time with that experience would be worth the price premium. I'm angry because Nintendo betrayed my faith in them. The promises went unfulfilled, and I'm frustrated because I have nothing to show for adopting early.
This.
I actually wrote a blog that was eerily similar we pretty much had the same points. I never posted it though I got 80% done with it, and just left it as a text file on my computer. I guess I'll just put some excerpts of it here
So I did some research, and found out their was a "Wii ambassadors clubs" in PAL regions, and they gave out Nintendo points instead of games and you could get up too 10,000 points ($100). I don't want to sound ungrateful, but I don't understand why it was possible to give virtual money back then, but not now.
You are getting $130 worth of content so money wise we are getting a favorable return, but honestly I'd much rather have $50 that I can put towards anything. I already bought every NES game I wanted, and I've come to realizing those games are too hard for me, I couldn't beat them when I was a child, and I still can't beat them now. Honestly $50 worth of 20 year old games that are much too difficult for me isn't very enticing, they could have alteast put Super Nintendo games on there.
The GBA games are the better part, but of those 5 mentioned games I own cartridges to 3, and well I have no intention of replaying Yoshi's Island (though it was a fun game), I really disliked Super Circuit the only course I like was ribbon road, honestly after playing Mario Kart with Polygons I can't go back to playing sprite based Mario Kart. Wario Ware is great I never owned the game so I'm happy for that one. I love Metroid Fusion it's one of my favorite games of all time (if not my favorite game of all time), and I replay it often. However I've noticed that DS games look slighlty blurry with washed out colors when played on the 3DS which leads me to believe the same thing will happen with GBA games, honestly I'd rather replay the game without the blur & washed out colors on my DS Lite or GBA than with my 3DS. Not only that, but the Dpad on the 3DS is lower so it's slightly uncomfortable, I've gotten use to the 3DS dpad, and it's not that bad. But when I look at it essentially what I consider the better side of the deal is being able to replay games that came out a decade ago that I still own that are now slightly blurry and washed out with slight controller discomfort. The reason I didn't trade in my DSLite towards a 3DS was because I wanted to keep it to replay my old GBA games.
20 games is roughly 1/3rd of 3DS screenspace, and I already have 1/3rd
One thing to note is that you get 160 Nintendo points for the system, but before you use to get pretty much the same amount you payed for something (100 for Wii Fit, 50 for a Wii game) I thought the low Nintendo points was due to them just wanting to give out less points (3DS games are 30 points not 40), but I'm starting to think they had a price drop all along. Deciding on a significant price drop within 5 months of the release is not something you decide over night, I think Nintendo planned to originally launch at $170, but then changed their minds. I remember Iwata said that the positive response to the 3DS was a deciding factor in the pricing of the system, and then it was later revealed that it cost $101 to make a 3DS, (though that's not taking into account R&D etc. Nintendo could have kept the system at the $250, and it still would have sold well at Holiday. Nintendo has 0 Debt, and is considered by Forbes to be a great stock investment. They could have stuck to that $250 price point, and been successful.
I understand why they did the price cut, and I think it was an incredibly gutsy move that will pay off in the end. But I can't deny being upset. This was the only time I early adopted, and I rationalized it. 3DS buzz was huge there was a point where pretty much every major gaming website was praising. I thought I was going to run into a similar situation like I did with my Wii & DSLite, where these games I really wanted were just released on it, and I would struggle to find the consoles in store, and I would not get to play the games until months later. I decided to get a 3DS at launch because I wanted to play Super Mario 3DS on release date, and now when the 3DS finally has many features that were delayed for some reason, and the really great games we've been waiting for come out. A significant price drop happens. If I got to play Super Mario 3DS 4 months before a price drop happened it would have been worth it in my opinion. In all that time that I was waiting for these upcoming months, all I got to do with my system was play a sloppy port of Rayman 2, use my 3DS as a pedometer for coins, and I got to play Ocarina 1 month before everyone else (which was amazing, but I could've waited a month later to pay $80 less).
Also to everyone who says Nintendo doesn't owe us anything, Yes they do. Yes, Life is unfair, and it isn't mandatory for them to do this. But part of running a company is keeping your customers happy. I was at a movie theater a few weeks ago, I waited 2 hours and the movie never started because they we're having troubles with the projector. They gave us access to a later showing, and gave us a voucher for a future movie, they didn't have to do it, but it's part of keeping customers happy. Their denial to Operation Rainfall provided a ton of negative press against Nintendo, and if they did nothing for early adopters it would have been another shit storm, especially considering that Sony's welcome back package is still fresh in everyone's mind. But what makes this different is they're giving us really old games, some of which are older than I am (I'm 20), I'm pretty open minded, I actually beat the original Legend of Zelda this year, and actually enjoyed it. I have nothing against the NES, but the few games I wanted to play I already have, and the remaining games on the system are too difficult for me. It feels like they're giving me a box of old crackers, it's not that it's bad it's just I want to play new games on my system. At the very least they could have let me pick. I would have preferred they give me a voucher for 5 3D classics and 5 GB/GBC that came out in the systems future, which would actually be a much worse value for me, but alteast I get games I want versus, a bunch of games cluttering my screen, that I feel bad for not playing.
I love my 3DS, and I don't regret buying one. I truly think that this might become my favorite gaming device ever, but I got screwed over. I adopted early, and have nothing to show for it.
This.
I actually wrote a blog that was eerily similar we pretty much had the same points. I never posted it though I got 80% done with it, and just left it as a text file on my computer. I guess I'll just put some excerpts of it here
So I did some research, and found out their was a "Wii ambassadors clubs" in PAL regions, and they gave out Nintendo points instead of games and you could get up too 10,000 points ($100). I don't want to sound ungrateful, but I don't understand why it was possible to give virtual money back then, but not now.
You are getting $130 worth of content so money wise we are getting a favorable return, but honestly I'd much rather have $50 that I can put towards anything. I already bought every NES game I wanted, and I've come to realizing those games are too hard for me, I couldn't beat them when I was a child, and I still can't beat them now. Honestly $50 worth of 20 year old games that are much too difficult for me isn't very enticing, they could have alteast put Super Nintendo games on there.
The GBA games are the better part, but of those 5 mentioned games I own cartridges to 3, and well I have no intention of replaying Yoshi's Island (though it was a fun game), I really disliked Super Circuit the only course I like was ribbon road, honestly after playing Mario Kart with Polygons I can't go back to playing sprite based Mario Kart. Wario Ware is great I never owned the game so I'm happy for that one. I love Metroid Fusion it's one of my favorite games of all time (if not my favorite game of all time), and I replay it often. However I've noticed that DS games look slighlty blurry with washed out colors when played on the 3DS which leads me to believe the same thing will happen with GBA games, honestly I'd rather replay the game without the blur & washed out colors on my DS Lite or GBA than with my 3DS. Not only that, but the Dpad on the 3DS is lower so it's slightly uncomfortable, I've gotten use to the 3DS dpad, and it's not that bad. But when I look at it essentially what I consider the better side of the deal is being able to replay games that came out a decade ago that I still own that are now slightly blurry and washed out with slight controller discomfort. The reason I didn't trade in my DSLite towards a 3DS was because I wanted to keep it to replay my old GBA games.
20 games is roughly 1/3rd of 3DS screenspace, and I already have 1/3rd
One thing to note is that you get 160 Nintendo points for the system, but before you use to get pretty much the same amount you payed for something (100 for Wii Fit, 50 for a Wii game) I thought the low Nintendo points was due to them just wanting to give out less points (3DS games are 30 points not 40), but I'm starting to think they had a price drop all along. Deciding on a significant price drop within 5 months of the release is not something you decide over night, I think Nintendo planned to originally launch at $170, but then changed their minds. I remember Iwata said that the positive response to the 3DS was a deciding factor in the pricing of the system, and then it was later revealed that it cost $101 to make a 3DS, (though that's not taking into account R&D etc. Nintendo could have kept the system at the $250, and it still would have sold well at Holiday. Nintendo has 0 Debt, and is considered by Forbes to be a great stock investment. They could have stuck to that $250 price point, and been successful.
I understand why they did the price cut, and I think it was an incredibly gutsy move that will pay off in the end. But I can't deny being upset. This was the only time I early adopted, and I rationalized it. 3DS buzz was huge there was a point where pretty much every major gaming website was praising. I thought I was going to run into a similar situation like I did with my Wii & DSLite, where these games I really wanted were just released on it, and I would struggle to find the consoles in store, and I would not get to play the games until months later. I decided to get a 3DS at launch because I wanted to play Super Mario 3DS on release date, and now when the 3DS finally has many features that were delayed for some reason, and the really great games we've been waiting for come out. A significant price drop happens. If I got to play Super Mario 3DS 4 months before a price drop happened it would have been worth it in my opinion. In all that time that I was waiting for these upcoming months, all I got to do with my system was play a sloppy port of Rayman 2, use my 3DS as a pedometer for coins, and I got to play Ocarina 1 month before everyone else (which was amazing, but I could've waited a month later to pay $80 less).
Also to everyone who says Nintendo doesn't owe us anything, Yes they do. Yes, Life is unfair, and it isn't mandatory for them to do this. But part of running a company is keeping your customers happy. I was at a movie theater a few weeks ago, I waited 2 hours and the movie never started because they we're having troubles with the projector. They gave us access to a later showing, and gave us a voucher for a future movie, they didn't have to do it, but it's part of keeping customers happy. Their denial to Operation Rainfall provided a ton of negative press against Nintendo, and if they did nothing for early adopters it would have been another shit storm, especially considering that Sony's welcome back package is still fresh in everyone's mind. But what makes this different is they're giving us really old games, some of which are older than I am (I'm 20), I'm pretty open minded, I actually beat the original Legend of Zelda this year, and actually enjoyed it. I have nothing against the NES, but the few games I wanted to play I already have, and the remaining games on the system are too difficult for me. It feels like they're giving me a box of old crackers, it's not that it's bad it's just I want to play new games on my system. At the very least they could have let me pick. I would have preferred they give me a voucher for 5 3D classics and 5 GB/GBC that came out in the systems future, which would actually be a much worse value for me, but alteast I get games I want versus, a bunch of games cluttering my screen, that I feel bad for not playing.
I love my 3DS, and I don't regret buying one. I truly think that this might become my favorite gaming device ever, but I got screwed over. I adopted early, and have nothing to show for it.
Sorry about my terrible grammar, and sentence structure it's 4 AM, and I should have gone to bed a long time ago. I shouldn't have started a rant when I was dosing off, hopefully you can look past that mess I made in the comment section, and see my points.
I'm wondering how people will feel when they reveal what the other GBA games are? What if one of them is Mother 3, and the other is Rhtyhm Tengoku? If that were the case, I think a lot of people would be beyond happy.
As for your points (and yours too Scissors) I think you have the right to be upset, but not so much at Nintendo. That's actually how you sound, like you're rationally aware that Nintendo isn't doing this to intentionally enrage you, but that the situation just sucks. Considering how much money Nintendo is set to lose on this whole thing ($80 price drop on their new console and giving away $150 worth of games to some of the customers were most likely to buy them), I'm sure they're not happy either.
It's not unlike the housing market right now. I know a lot of people that bought housesfour or five years ago, only to have the value of their house drop by 50% or more over night. That's hundreds of thousands of dollars lost.
Who do you get angry at for that? The guy that sold you the house? The government? The stock market? The banks? No one entity is responsible for the fact that the arbitrarily set value of your purchase has been suddenly decreased. The same goes for the 3DS. No one expected the thing to lose its value so quickly, but between-
* the bad press from outlets like The Sun
*the half-completed online services
*the game cancellations
*the lack of AAA 1st party software at launch
*the terrible economy in Japan and the U.S.
*the announcement of the PS Vita's $250 price tag
*the continuing growth of smart phone gaming
...and multiple other factors, that's where we are.
Personally, I bought the 3DS at launch for portable Street Fighter, and after it, portable Resident Evil Mercenaries. I wasn't disappointed (well, a little disappointed in Mercenaries, but that's another story). Regardless, I chose to buy the console for the games that were at launch and confirmed to be released near launch. If you buy a console for anything other than the games that are currently available or confirmed to be nearly available, you run the risk of disappointment.
Crap, I wrote so much! Maybe I should ahve just made this it's own blog.
TL;DR- It sucks that the 3DS has been devalued, but Nintendo certainly didn't intend for that to happen. Life is crappy sometimes.
As for your points (and yours too Scissors) I think you have the right to be upset, but not so much at Nintendo. That's actually how you sound, like you're rationally aware that Nintendo isn't doing this to intentionally enrage you, but that the situation just sucks. Considering how much money Nintendo is set to lose on this whole thing ($80 price drop on their new console and giving away $150 worth of games to some of the customers were most likely to buy them), I'm sure they're not happy either.
It's not unlike the housing market right now. I know a lot of people that bought housesfour or five years ago, only to have the value of their house drop by 50% or more over night. That's hundreds of thousands of dollars lost.
Who do you get angry at for that? The guy that sold you the house? The government? The stock market? The banks? No one entity is responsible for the fact that the arbitrarily set value of your purchase has been suddenly decreased. The same goes for the 3DS. No one expected the thing to lose its value so quickly, but between-
* the bad press from outlets like The Sun
*the half-completed online services
*the game cancellations
*the lack of AAA 1st party software at launch
*the terrible economy in Japan and the U.S.
*the announcement of the PS Vita's $250 price tag
*the continuing growth of smart phone gaming
...and multiple other factors, that's where we are.
Personally, I bought the 3DS at launch for portable Street Fighter, and after it, portable Resident Evil Mercenaries. I wasn't disappointed (well, a little disappointed in Mercenaries, but that's another story). Regardless, I chose to buy the console for the games that were at launch and confirmed to be released near launch. If you buy a console for anything other than the games that are currently available or confirmed to be nearly available, you run the risk of disappointment.
Crap, I wrote so much! Maybe I should ahve just made this it's own blog.
TL;DR- It sucks that the 3DS has been devalued, but Nintendo certainly didn't intend for that to happen. Life is crappy sometimes.
@Jonathan Holmes:
Using your housing example, I might actually be angry at the guy who sold me the house. If it's parallel to Nintendo, he told me what a great buy it would be. It would be completely worth my investment, etc etc. It turns out the house wasn't actually habitable and then the market dropped and it wasn't even worth my investment.
In the end, yes, I agree completely. It's not *only* Nintendo's fault, and a large part of the issue is I believed the retailer and raised my expectations.
Nintendo couldn't help cutting the price and I know it. They tried to do good by us and I accept that. I'm just upset because I believed their sphiel about how great a gaming experience the 3DS would provide--enough to pay their $250 asking price up front. In those 5 months, I don't think I got $80 worth of gaming out of it--and I'm unsure how much those Ambassador games will make up for it.
I know it's not fair to blame Nintendo for all of this. I don't, to be honest. But I *am* upset with them, and the ultimate cost of this debacle comes in trust. I don't believe in Nintendo as much as I used to. They made promises, I believed them (which was my fault, I know), and the promises fell through. I'll be more wary of early adoption when it comes to Nintendo from now on, but of course I'll still buy their products.
I agree, Nintendo isn't the sole party to blame for this, and I think much of the complaints are frustration from the mishandling of the 3DS up to this point finally boiling over. They do bear responsibility for that much, so it's easy to extend blame to them for the rest. But it's not necessarily fair.
TL:DR- The price cut sucks, the compensation isn't great for everyone, but we do know it's not *entirely* Nintendo's fault. It's more a problem of expectations vs. what we received.
Using your housing example, I might actually be angry at the guy who sold me the house. If it's parallel to Nintendo, he told me what a great buy it would be. It would be completely worth my investment, etc etc. It turns out the house wasn't actually habitable and then the market dropped and it wasn't even worth my investment.
In the end, yes, I agree completely. It's not *only* Nintendo's fault, and a large part of the issue is I believed the retailer and raised my expectations.
Nintendo couldn't help cutting the price and I know it. They tried to do good by us and I accept that. I'm just upset because I believed their sphiel about how great a gaming experience the 3DS would provide--enough to pay their $250 asking price up front. In those 5 months, I don't think I got $80 worth of gaming out of it--and I'm unsure how much those Ambassador games will make up for it.
I know it's not fair to blame Nintendo for all of this. I don't, to be honest. But I *am* upset with them, and the ultimate cost of this debacle comes in trust. I don't believe in Nintendo as much as I used to. They made promises, I believed them (which was my fault, I know), and the promises fell through. I'll be more wary of early adoption when it comes to Nintendo from now on, but of course I'll still buy their products.
I agree, Nintendo isn't the sole party to blame for this, and I think much of the complaints are frustration from the mishandling of the 3DS up to this point finally boiling over. They do bear responsibility for that much, so it's easy to extend blame to them for the rest. But it's not necessarily fair.
TL:DR- The price cut sucks, the compensation isn't great for everyone, but we do know it's not *entirely* Nintendo's fault. It's more a problem of expectations vs. what we received.
Sorry for the double post!
Regarding the games issue: It's true I knew the games were going to be slow coming down the pipe, but it was still reasonable to expect those big hitters to arrive *before* a price drop. I paid extra money in part so I'd not have to wait for a price drop to play Kid Icarus, etc. Due to the circumstances, that $80 didn't deliver that because all we got (as far as AAA 1st parties) was ocarina of time.
Regarding the games issue: It's true I knew the games were going to be slow coming down the pipe, but it was still reasonable to expect those big hitters to arrive *before* a price drop. I paid extra money in part so I'd not have to wait for a price drop to play Kid Icarus, etc. Due to the circumstances, that $80 didn't deliver that because all we got (as far as AAA 1st parties) was ocarina of time.
People who didn't buy it get $80 off. People who did get 20 free games.
I seriously don't understand why people are complaining so much.
I seriously don't understand why people are complaining so much.
@ Holmes
"If you buy a console for anything other than the games that are currently available or confirmed to be nearly available, you run the risk of disappointment."
I can't argue that, but my logic was if I was going to wait 4 months for the games I wanted to be released, why should I hold off on buying one and risk not being able to find a system in stores (like I had done before)? I thought it was going to be another Wii & DSlite situation where they were difficult to find, and the price drops were minor, and didn't happen until years later.
I'm doing my best not to get too upset about it because there's no point in crying over spilt milk, what's done is done.
What's frustrating me is everyone who's telling me I have no right to be upset, and "that's what you get" as if I deserve to be punished for getting one at launched. I really can't recall a significant price drop happening this quickly in a consoles life span. The 3DS was predicted to be a success, praise was high, and the animated "this one prints money too" gifs were being posted everywhere. Your bullet points are true, but we had no way in knowing all that stuff was going to happen when we placed our pre-orders months before it launched. Everyone knew there would be risk, but we didn't know the risk would be so high. A lackluster launch line up was never major determining factor before, it's pretty standard if anything, and honestly I didn't think the launch titles were as bad as everyone made them out to be.
There's a difference between complaining, and venting. I think I have a right to be upset (not saying you were one of the people saying I don't, but many have said that), even Nintendo said that such a drastic price cut in a short amount of time is unprecedented.
I won't let this sour my experience with my 3DS, but I'm getting sick of all the people telling me I have no right to be upset. So much overreacting & sensationalizing was happening to what I mostly considered minor issues with the 3DS, but now that people have a legitimate thing to be ruffled about many are telling them to keep silent. $80 is a big deal to some, times are hard. Portable Nerd had to sell his 3DS in order to pay bills, which also means he lost his job as a videogame writer at the Examiner. The 3DS price drop is a positive thing for consumers who were on the fence, but us early adopters got a bad deal, we have every right to be upset. The 20 offered games are nice, but it's debatable on whether they're proper compensation.
In other words: I understand why this happened, I'm not going to start posting irrational things, but I am getting annoyed by every telling me we knew this was coming (because we didn't know at launch), and that I have no right to complain about the "ambassador" package I'm getting. Telling people how they should feel, and that they have no right to complain is controlling. This isn't something like fan boys raging about losing an exclusive, or starting a shit storm out of some CEO saying his company's products are superior. This is something that is worthy of having negative criticism. It's great that many people are happy with the 20 games they're getting, but just because you're not doesn't mean you're being irrational.
"If you buy a console for anything other than the games that are currently available or confirmed to be nearly available, you run the risk of disappointment."
I can't argue that, but my logic was if I was going to wait 4 months for the games I wanted to be released, why should I hold off on buying one and risk not being able to find a system in stores (like I had done before)? I thought it was going to be another Wii & DSlite situation where they were difficult to find, and the price drops were minor, and didn't happen until years later.
I'm doing my best not to get too upset about it because there's no point in crying over spilt milk, what's done is done.
What's frustrating me is everyone who's telling me I have no right to be upset, and "that's what you get" as if I deserve to be punished for getting one at launched. I really can't recall a significant price drop happening this quickly in a consoles life span. The 3DS was predicted to be a success, praise was high, and the animated "this one prints money too" gifs were being posted everywhere. Your bullet points are true, but we had no way in knowing all that stuff was going to happen when we placed our pre-orders months before it launched. Everyone knew there would be risk, but we didn't know the risk would be so high. A lackluster launch line up was never major determining factor before, it's pretty standard if anything, and honestly I didn't think the launch titles were as bad as everyone made them out to be.
There's a difference between complaining, and venting. I think I have a right to be upset (not saying you were one of the people saying I don't, but many have said that), even Nintendo said that such a drastic price cut in a short amount of time is unprecedented.
I won't let this sour my experience with my 3DS, but I'm getting sick of all the people telling me I have no right to be upset. So much overreacting & sensationalizing was happening to what I mostly considered minor issues with the 3DS, but now that people have a legitimate thing to be ruffled about many are telling them to keep silent. $80 is a big deal to some, times are hard. Portable Nerd had to sell his 3DS in order to pay bills, which also means he lost his job as a videogame writer at the Examiner. The 3DS price drop is a positive thing for consumers who were on the fence, but us early adopters got a bad deal, we have every right to be upset. The 20 offered games are nice, but it's debatable on whether they're proper compensation.
In other words: I understand why this happened, I'm not going to start posting irrational things, but I am getting annoyed by every telling me we knew this was coming (because we didn't know at launch), and that I have no right to complain about the "ambassador" package I'm getting. Telling people how they should feel, and that they have no right to complain is controlling. This isn't something like fan boys raging about losing an exclusive, or starting a shit storm out of some CEO saying his company's products are superior. This is something that is worthy of having negative criticism. It's great that many people are happy with the 20 games they're getting, but just because you're not doesn't mean you're being irrational.
@pedrovay2003: I tried to explain why folks are upset.
@scissors: I agree. In the end, I'm upset and I think Nintendo's fumbling of the 3DS led to this situation, but I'm mostly upset by betrayed expectations on Nintendo's end. I realize much of this can't be helped and much of it isn't Nintendo's fault, but it really SUCKS and I have every right to be unhappy about it.
@scissors: I agree. In the end, I'm upset and I think Nintendo's fumbling of the 3DS led to this situation, but I'm mostly upset by betrayed expectations on Nintendo's end. I realize much of this can't be helped and much of it isn't Nintendo's fault, but it really SUCKS and I have every right to be unhappy about it.

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