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Name: Peter
Home State: New York
Currently Residing In: Utah
Birthday: October 13th, 1985 (I'll always secretly consider the NES to have been a week-late birthday present to me from Nintendo.)
Specialty: Writing

I'm a Mass Communication/Journalism graduate from the University of Utah, which I'm starting to question, since it was a tough field to get into even before the economy went down the toilet. I love writing; Not only do I consider it my passion, but I also believe it's an invaluable skill for this socially-connected age in which we live. Writing about video games brings me more joy than I can even describe in words, which is saying a lot, considering.

As far as video games go, I've been a gamer since I was two-and-a-half. I try to play whatever interests me, despite what other people think of those games. I suppose I consider myself to be "obsessed" with gaming, but not in the sense that all I want to do is beat games. I'm fascinated with the industry as a whole, and in some way, shape or form, I'd love to be a part of it professionally someday.


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Metal Gear Solid Series (PS1, PS2, & PS3)
Fatal Frame Series (PS2, Xbox, Wii)
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES (PS2)
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Metroid Prime Trilogy (Wii)
Dead Space (PS3, Xbox 360)
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (PS3)
Anything Zelda-Related (Various Nintendo Platforms)




My most prized gaming-related possession: A factory-sealed copy of the original Famicom Disk System Zeruda no Densetsu (The Legend of Zelda).




Mario and I were tight back in the day, yo.


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Good Idea, Bad Idea
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(Hoo boy... Regardless of this just being my opinion, I'm sure I'm going to catch hell anyway. Here we go...)

Recently, Destructoid posted an article about how the Xbox 360 will soon have access to Comcast and Verizon pay TV content, in addition to being in talks with dozens of other companies for their services as well. This is in addition to apps already available, such as Netflix and Hulu Plus, and, oh yeah, being able to play video games. While all these services being available on one box is very nice (and optional at that), there's one thing that's impossible to overlook:

You're paying way more to use these things on the 360 than on any other device.

In addition to any subscription fees that you'll pay for each of these individual services, you're also paying a monthly or yearly fee for an Xbox LIVE Gold account. Nearly any PC or even the PS3 and Wii can stream videos through Netflix and Hulu, yet if you're not paying Microsoft, you're not even allowed to access this content on a 360. Hell, even phones nowadays can do all this streaming for you.

Now, keep in mind that I'm not trying to imply that I think everyone is rich -- I'm by no means made of money, either, and despite owning all three current-gen consoles, I got the PS3 and 360 and heavily discounted prices, and there's no way that I would have been able to have picked them up at full price, even now. But be that as it may, I still believe investing in a cheap computer or Eee PC would end up costing less in the long run than paying Microsoft to access all these services on the 360, even if it seems like consolidation at first.

When the Xbox 360 first came out toward the end of 2005, it had a year's worth of a head start on both Sony's PlayStation 3 and Nintendo's Wii. The 360 was so far beyond any console that had come out previously, that it had gained unanimous support from every third-party developer around at the time -- Its popularity and success were noticed even by people who had absolutely no interest in video games at all. Since the original Xbox was the platform on which LIVE was started, it was only rational that Microsoft extended the service to the 360, and with all the support the company received, they decided to do what any intelligent company would have done: They continued to charge for the premium service options. Why not? They had no competition at the time, nothing else to even be compared to their console. They saw the opportunity to make a pile of money, and they took it.

Notice how pretty much everything I said in that last paragraph was in the past tense.

The PS3 and Wii have been out for almost as long as the 360, and modern PCs have been out for quite a long time before that, and this is where my disdain for Xbox LIVE starts to rear its ugly head. When the 360 was released as the first console of its kind, Microsoft did what any business would have done, taking advantage of the situation. That time is long gone. You can now get Netflix on the PS3 and Wii, as well as the PC (where they both started), and Hulu Plus on the PS3 as well, in addition to a bunch of other video and music services if you live in Europe. (Seriously, make a UK PS3 account -- You've never seen that many icons on the PS3 before.) Not only that, but of all the current platforms available for gaming, including Steam on PCs, Xbox LIVE is the only service that makes you shell out just to play your games online!



Why is this? Why, when the PlayStation network is easily comparable to Xbox LIVE, and gaming on Steam easily surpasses it, does Microsoft still charge for what every other platform has for free? Even the Wii has stuff like Netflix, and Nintendo doesn't charge anything in addition to the Netflix subscription fee.

I have a Gold account on my 360 right now, but the only reason is because Microsoft was doing that whole two months for $2 back to school promotion recently. Now, because I'm a subscriber, I have the option to renew the service for $10 for three months, which is almost half the normal price. If these options had never been available to me, I still wouldn't have a paid account, and the only reason I signed up in the first place was to play with Destructoid people, which I've already done a bit. But every single time I play online, or notice that I've got a nice gold border on the top of my Gamertag, I count the days until Uncharted 3 comes out, when I'll be able to play online for the foreseeable future without subscribing to anything other than my ISP.

Multiplatform games are even more of a reason to feel like you're bending over for Microsoft. Assassin's Creed, you say? Gold account required on the 360, nothing required on the PS3 or PC. Borderlands? Gold on 360, nothing on PS3 or PC. Hell, how about Call of Duty, arguably the most widely-played multiplayer game in the world? Ooh, the 360 gets the DLC before anyone else! Keep in mind it's not exclusive, it just comes out on the 360 first, a significant difference. You want to be a part of these amazing multiplayer experiences? Gold on 360, nothing on PS3 or PC. You are always paying for things on the 360 that you get for free on every other available platform.

The thing that really gets me about this is the fact that Xbox LIVE doesn't offer anything significant over the PlayStation Network. (I'm not even going to bother comparing this to the PC, since you can do about 10 million different things simultaneously on a PC anyway.) Sure, you've got a few nice little extras, but that stuff isn't huge in any way, shape or form. I defy anyone to convince me that cross-game chat is worth $59.99 a year, or that Facebook and Twitter are worth paying for at all.

Yes, you read that correctly, non-360 owners -- They charge for Facebook and Twitter. I don't really think I can come up with anything more to say about that.

Speaking of the price, let's talk about that. The price of a game? Really? Not only is the 360 the only platform that requires payment for online play and video services, but it's as high as a retail game for a year of service? This is completely unacceptable to me, and I'll never pay that much. It's true that you can find deals all over the Internet for cheaper subscription costs, and sometimes they're even on the 360's Dashboard itself. But not everyone is comfortable with just handing out their credit card information, especially after the PlayStation Network fiasco. If those prepaid Xbox LIVE cards weren't big sellers, you can bet Microsoft would pull them from stores. But they're still everywhere, which shows that that method is preferred by a lot of people. But if you go to an actual retail outlet to buy a subscription card, good luck finding any deals.

I love my 360, I really do, and I know this kind of thing has been argued hundreds of times already. But this kind of stuff was only okay when there was no competition (and you could argue that there was never any competition to begin with, thanks to the PC). With the PS3 providing nearly an identical experience to Xbox LIVE, and the PC pretty much outclassing it across the board, it's unacceptable that we have to pay extra money just to do what should be free for everyone at this point. I'll continue to have a Gold account, but the second I'm unable to get a huge discount, I won't be renewing -- Sarcastically call me "privileged" all you want, but I'm the customer, and it's my money that keeps Microsoft in business, which I'm not very happy about anymore. Why pay for something when you can the same experience for free somewhere else?



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I don't have a problem with monthly fees.

What bothers me beyond fucking belief that I pay for a service, only to have my dashboard littered with corporate advertising feces everywhere I go. My own game console is used to peddle me Big Macs and Kias.

You're going to charge me a premium, and also subvert my console into a billboard? Fuck, I don't pay for PSN and it doesn't even do that to me.

It's why I traded in my 360 and never looked back. It's kind of offensive really, how they think they can get away with that. But then again, they are.
And then they have the nerve to up the price from $50 a month to $60.

All while raking in profits, all while cramming more and more ads onto the service...

Ugh.
The PS3 has a browser too! With free Crackle! You can't top that with ESPN 3 and UFC Channels!
I agree that it's time that Xbox got rid of their Gold membership status. Apparently only 50% of Xbox owners pay for live, which means a LOT of people that can't use Netflix or even play online multiplayer games on the Xbox... in a competitive environment where they can play for free on their iPhones, PS3's and Wii's, this just seems stupid.

Xbox has to move with the times... use the gold membership status in the same way that PSN uses their "Plus" status - to offer true extras (like beta access, early demos, and other non-essential aspects that people will pay for) - but online gaming... it's a BASIC part of gaming nowadays. Certainly things like Netflix that one can even access from most of the newer internet connected TV's and most any other online device - it should be free and not part of the Gold membership (especially as one still has to pay Netflix for their service as well... I had no idea that one needed Gold to be able to use Netflix!!)

I don't currently have a gold account... I can play for free on my PS3. I'll keep an eye out for a one year Gold card on sale, or ask for it for a Christmas present... but I really, really, really DETEST the idea of paying to play online when I already pay $60.00 for a new game (which is the same price as the PS3 game, so it's not even like I can get the game cheaper for the Xbox!).

I've considered actually selling my 360... but I do find that I can often find really cheap used games for the system and there are some offline games I like (like Fable) that may keep it worthwhile... and I hold out hope that Microsoft comes to their senses and realizes that online gaming is not an "extra" like it was years and years ago... it's currently a "basic" function of a console.
I've never used Xbox Live, but I don't need to, to know it's just not worth it. As I'm not really a Mutilplayer guy, I feel comfortable with PSN even if it is marginally slower or down for a few days every now and again.

On the ad thing, There is a few ads on PS3 when you scroll over a certain tab but there usually just little pictures of games soon to be released so it's tolerable.
The main problem is that most people will never gave up on Gold fees because their friends are there. So, to play with their friends, be part of the group, they will live with the fees.
As the 360 guy here, apparently, I have no issue with XBL fees. All the features they offer are admittedly just fluff to draw people in (PSN+ also being guilty of that) but I've had a far superior online experience on my 360 as opposed to my PS3. Generally much less lag, less glitches, more timely fixes to any glitches, more active communities etc. I don't generally bother playing online with my PS3 anymore, I had a hell of a time with Metal Gear Online and that killed it for me. And then all the crap the CoD community dealt with on PS3, the random outages that sometimes last for over a week, constant updates (10+ minutes yesterday), lack of any communication since no one has a mic (and when they do, they use it to blare rap music) and lack of any consistent way to report/block/decrease match chance with those people.

60 bucks to me is worth it because unlike PS3, everything is consistent and I know that generally 100% of the time, Live is up and ready, maybe a 30 second update, but that's it. And unlike PC, it all runs on a unified architecture so I don't have to worry about lousy servers, being kicked out of private servers because I'm 'not 1337 enough', and a lot of the bullshit I experienced when gaming on PC. I guess it's just me, but I find Live to be worth the price when you consider all of that.

At least the features on XBL generally do add to the basic PC services. Netflix, Hulu, ESPN and whatnot all have voice control if you have Kinect, and their interfaces are streamlined to make it easier to navigate and get into over their PC counterparts.

To each their own, just my 2 cents.
Tried it for a year, realized it is not worth my money. All those extras you're supposed to have, like hulu and stuff, only available in the US. Like, your blog mirrors my thoughts plus I don't get any of this shit. Not that I'm missing anything anyway.

If there was no fee to get all the advantages I get on Ps3, I maybe wouldn't have shelved my 360.
@Renegade

Trust me, of all the people on Destructoid, I respect your opinion more than most. I definitely see what you mean with consistency on LIVE. I guess I just don't think the price is worth that when I've never really had problems with any other service.

@Revuhlooshon

I think "corporate advertising feces" just became my favorite term that I've ever heard.
My 360 died in the summer and now my Gold expired. The only game I played online was Assassin's Creed, and I will miss that... but I can't justify the cost of a game for features that are free elsewhere. I always used my ps3 for Netflix even before the Xbox died, just because it wasn't a noise maker. I will manually fix my Xbox and use it to play my collection of adventure and shooter games.
Im a 360 user and to be honest as much as I hate paying the fees, I guess they make a bit of sense. After all the community is a bit better there considering that xbox actually bans people for cheating, modding, hacking and just plain old dickishness
Didn't read the whole post, just got caught in the moment right now commenting, this was something that happened to me : Got some friends over , let's play some halo reach or Halo 3 on the 360 that we borrowed from a friend, YAY! *starts it up* hey you need a gold subscription to do just about anything.. , that night was a sad one.
Oh yeah, it's completely ridiculous, and echoing what Rev already said, I can't believe I have to scroll through ads for a paid service. But they can get away with it, and they'll continue to do it for a long time I bet.
The ads don't bother me. You get ads when you pay for cable, Hulu, and many other services as well. Just the world we live in. And I don't personally pay to use Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, or any of the other services you mentioned on my 360, because like you said, I can get them elsewhere.

What I DO pay for is to play my games in a stable, consistent environment with my friends who aren't fortunate enough to own any other consoles. Now, would I PREFER to not pay? Of course! But I'm not going to miss out on playing 360 exclusives with all my 360-only friends on account of $5ish a month.

Don't get me wrong, I see what you're saying -- like I said, I don't ENJOY paying for what I can get for free elsewhere -- but to me, it's worth the very minor expense.

And yes, I know I'm a part of the problem :)
^
These guys...They're wroth $60 a year.
@LawofThermalDynamics

That's why I've got Gold right now, like I said -- I don't care for the Xbox LIVE community as a whole, but I really want to play with the Dtoid people for once.

@Caitlin

Unfortunately, I don't see Microsoft stopping any time soon, either. But I guess they won't stop doing what's making them piles of cash.

@Andy

Aw, you could never be a problem. MANLY <3
"Unfortunately, I don't see Microsoft stopping any time soon, either. But I guess they won't stop doing what's making them piles of cash."

Aye, this is true. And as many defenders of the fee will assert, it's only a matter of time before PSN becomes subscription-only, too.
You do make some good points, but I feel you're also missing some of the key things about XBL. While PS3 may offer similar service now for free, they have always been a few steps behind and I feel that the content Microsoft delivers is worth the small fee (less than 5 bucks a month). Sure the same features may end up on PS3 later down the line, but its worth it to me to get them a few months, or even years, ahead of the competition. Netflix is a great example. It was available on 360 months before PS3. A more recent example is the ESPN application which I find to be better than anything other platforms offer. And unlike PS+, I get to keep the games I purchase with my Gold account even if I choose to discontinue it.

You're right though, it all comes down to opinion and not everyone will share mine. To me, Xbox LIVE is still a much better all around service than PSN and I prefer it to Steam as well.
@Rhuno

I agree that LIVE is better than the PlayStation network overall, but for me, it's by a very small margin, so I guess that's the difference.

@Byronic

I'm just waiting for online gameplay to go PS+ only. Don't know what I'll do then.
The PS3 could never charge for online play because it was so heavily advertised when it was launched as "free to play online". They can charge $10 for a PSN Pass though... which in the end amounts to paying for online play... though Xbox is also stuck with the online pass concept for many games too.

I guess if they dropped the whole online pass thing, I wouldn't mind paying the monthly fee... but both... man, it's just getting too expensive.
I would buy a multiplayer game once in a while if the multiplayer didn't cost extra. It's the principle of the thing, ultimately. I don't like being charged once for a game, again for a subscription, yet another time for an online pass...screw all that. I'd rather go without.

Another thing that bothers me is when demos come out and you have to either use the paid service or wait a week. Which is sketchy as hell, seeing as how they didn't do that at first. Everyone used to get them at the same time. Clearly, it's not a matter of subscribers getting demos early as much as it is making everyone else wait.

So no. I prefer to not do business with those kinds of people.
Crap... I'm brain dead tonight and forgetting that the online pass is only for used games... so doesn't really affect the costs... except for someone that buys their games used and then I would assume they would wait for a price drop that would at least cover the online pass cost.

I need sleep!
As an owner of BOTH system and a 5 year xbox live gold membership subscriber I can honestly say there is very little difference between the two. Xbox live has a faster download system and a better marketplace. I don't experience a massive amount of lag on either system. the games are almost identical in most cases. Both systems have their fare share of exclusives. If I had to pick a system I would pick my PS3, mainly for the fact that I do not have to pay a yearly fee. The fee is a deal breaker sometimes and knowing that I already pay internet bills and have a computer I don't really want to pay $50 to play my Xbox every year. But yet I pay it anyway.
@Elsa

They also advertised Linux, but look what happened there -- One person found an exploit, and we all lost it. I wouldn't put it past Sony at this point.
Don't get me wrong I absolutely understand what you're saying with stuff like Netflix which I kind of think they need to make it available for Silver members. I don't think it's that bad a deal atleast with Netflix as you can access your One Netflix account. When you can't access Live you can put that membership on hold. That's just one service though and not all of them are the same.

I think Live is worth it personally for the friendships I've made but as the service goes I just find it's interface for online multiplayer alot smoother than PlayStation's plus the Party feature is such a welcome change. Also no ridiculously long mandatory installs/updates which last only minutes on the 360. However that's just why I like 360 , as experiences vary.

However I do wonder why Sony wouldn't charge for online eventually. Not this generation but it's a revenue that's almost always guaranteed on Xbox whereas the PS Plus which I'm sure is great is also not mandatory and not a guaranteed money maker. Keep in mind Sony isn't your friend, much like Microsoft they want to make money it's why PS Plus exists and why it's not entirely unreasonable to think they may want to monetize Online play since it hasn't negatively affected Microsoft's userbase.
Unlike most people, I've had nothing but poor experiences with LIVE. It constantly tells me that my port forwarded settings are restricting the experience and it prefers my wireless connection which sucks for fighters. Comparing online experiences, my PS3 trumps the 360. I won't be renewing this subscription. The fate of my 360 is unclear.

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