I don't have a problem with monthly fees.
What bothers me beyond fucking belief that I pay for a service, only to have my dashboard littered with corporate advertising feces everywhere I go. My own game console is used to peddle me Big Macs and Kias.
You're going to charge me a premium, and also subvert my console into a billboard? Fuck, I don't pay for PSN and it doesn't even do that to me.
It's why I traded in my 360 and never looked back. It's kind of offensive really, how they think they can get away with that. But then again, they are.
What bothers me beyond fucking belief that I pay for a service, only to have my dashboard littered with corporate advertising feces everywhere I go. My own game console is used to peddle me Big Macs and Kias.
You're going to charge me a premium, and also subvert my console into a billboard? Fuck, I don't pay for PSN and it doesn't even do that to me.
It's why I traded in my 360 and never looked back. It's kind of offensive really, how they think they can get away with that. But then again, they are.
And then they have the nerve to up the price from $50 a month to $60.
All while raking in profits, all while cramming more and more ads onto the service...
Ugh.
All while raking in profits, all while cramming more and more ads onto the service...
Ugh.
I agree that it's time that Xbox got rid of their Gold membership status. Apparently only 50% of Xbox owners pay for live, which means a LOT of people that can't use Netflix or even play online multiplayer games on the Xbox... in a competitive environment where they can play for free on their iPhones, PS3's and Wii's, this just seems stupid.
Xbox has to move with the times... use the gold membership status in the same way that PSN uses their "Plus" status - to offer true extras (like beta access, early demos, and other non-essential aspects that people will pay for) - but online gaming... it's a BASIC part of gaming nowadays. Certainly things like Netflix that one can even access from most of the newer internet connected TV's and most any other online device - it should be free and not part of the Gold membership (especially as one still has to pay Netflix for their service as well... I had no idea that one needed Gold to be able to use Netflix!!)
I don't currently have a gold account... I can play for free on my PS3. I'll keep an eye out for a one year Gold card on sale, or ask for it for a Christmas present... but I really, really, really DETEST the idea of paying to play online when I already pay $60.00 for a new game (which is the same price as the PS3 game, so it's not even like I can get the game cheaper for the Xbox!).
I've considered actually selling my 360... but I do find that I can often find really cheap used games for the system and there are some offline games I like (like Fable) that may keep it worthwhile... and I hold out hope that Microsoft comes to their senses and realizes that online gaming is not an "extra" like it was years and years ago... it's currently a "basic" function of a console.
Xbox has to move with the times... use the gold membership status in the same way that PSN uses their "Plus" status - to offer true extras (like beta access, early demos, and other non-essential aspects that people will pay for) - but online gaming... it's a BASIC part of gaming nowadays. Certainly things like Netflix that one can even access from most of the newer internet connected TV's and most any other online device - it should be free and not part of the Gold membership (especially as one still has to pay Netflix for their service as well... I had no idea that one needed Gold to be able to use Netflix!!)
I don't currently have a gold account... I can play for free on my PS3. I'll keep an eye out for a one year Gold card on sale, or ask for it for a Christmas present... but I really, really, really DETEST the idea of paying to play online when I already pay $60.00 for a new game (which is the same price as the PS3 game, so it's not even like I can get the game cheaper for the Xbox!).
I've considered actually selling my 360... but I do find that I can often find really cheap used games for the system and there are some offline games I like (like Fable) that may keep it worthwhile... and I hold out hope that Microsoft comes to their senses and realizes that online gaming is not an "extra" like it was years and years ago... it's currently a "basic" function of a console.
I've never used Xbox Live, but I don't need to, to know it's just not worth it. As I'm not really a Mutilplayer guy, I feel comfortable with PSN even if it is marginally slower or down for a few days every now and again.
On the ad thing, There is a few ads on PS3 when you scroll over a certain tab but there usually just little pictures of games soon to be released so it's tolerable.
On the ad thing, There is a few ads on PS3 when you scroll over a certain tab but there usually just little pictures of games soon to be released so it's tolerable.
The main problem is that most people will never gave up on Gold fees because their friends are there. So, to play with their friends, be part of the group, they will live with the fees.
As the 360 guy here, apparently, I have no issue with XBL fees. All the features they offer are admittedly just fluff to draw people in (PSN+ also being guilty of that) but I've had a far superior online experience on my 360 as opposed to my PS3. Generally much less lag, less glitches, more timely fixes to any glitches, more active communities etc. I don't generally bother playing online with my PS3 anymore, I had a hell of a time with Metal Gear Online and that killed it for me. And then all the crap the CoD community dealt with on PS3, the random outages that sometimes last for over a week, constant updates (10+ minutes yesterday), lack of any communication since no one has a mic (and when they do, they use it to blare rap music) and lack of any consistent way to report/block/decrease match chance with those people.
60 bucks to me is worth it because unlike PS3, everything is consistent and I know that generally 100% of the time, Live is up and ready, maybe a 30 second update, but that's it. And unlike PC, it all runs on a unified architecture so I don't have to worry about lousy servers, being kicked out of private servers because I'm 'not 1337 enough', and a lot of the bullshit I experienced when gaming on PC. I guess it's just me, but I find Live to be worth the price when you consider all of that.
At least the features on XBL generally do add to the basic PC services. Netflix, Hulu, ESPN and whatnot all have voice control if you have Kinect, and their interfaces are streamlined to make it easier to navigate and get into over their PC counterparts.
To each their own, just my 2 cents.
60 bucks to me is worth it because unlike PS3, everything is consistent and I know that generally 100% of the time, Live is up and ready, maybe a 30 second update, but that's it. And unlike PC, it all runs on a unified architecture so I don't have to worry about lousy servers, being kicked out of private servers because I'm 'not 1337 enough', and a lot of the bullshit I experienced when gaming on PC. I guess it's just me, but I find Live to be worth the price when you consider all of that.
At least the features on XBL generally do add to the basic PC services. Netflix, Hulu, ESPN and whatnot all have voice control if you have Kinect, and their interfaces are streamlined to make it easier to navigate and get into over their PC counterparts.
To each their own, just my 2 cents.
Tried it for a year, realized it is not worth my money. All those extras you're supposed to have, like hulu and stuff, only available in the US. Like, your blog mirrors my thoughts plus I don't get any of this shit. Not that I'm missing anything anyway.
If there was no fee to get all the advantages I get on Ps3, I maybe wouldn't have shelved my 360.
If there was no fee to get all the advantages I get on Ps3, I maybe wouldn't have shelved my 360.
@Renegade
Trust me, of all the people on Destructoid, I respect your opinion more than most. I definitely see what you mean with consistency on LIVE. I guess I just don't think the price is worth that when I've never really had problems with any other service.
@Revuhlooshon
I think "corporate advertising feces" just became my favorite term that I've ever heard.
Trust me, of all the people on Destructoid, I respect your opinion more than most. I definitely see what you mean with consistency on LIVE. I guess I just don't think the price is worth that when I've never really had problems with any other service.
@Revuhlooshon
I think "corporate advertising feces" just became my favorite term that I've ever heard.
My 360 died in the summer and now my Gold expired. The only game I played online was Assassin's Creed, and I will miss that... but I can't justify the cost of a game for features that are free elsewhere. I always used my ps3 for Netflix even before the Xbox died, just because it wasn't a noise maker. I will manually fix my Xbox and use it to play my collection of adventure and shooter games.
Im a 360 user and to be honest as much as I hate paying the fees, I guess they make a bit of sense. After all the community is a bit better there considering that xbox actually bans people for cheating, modding, hacking and just plain old dickishness
Didn't read the whole post, just got caught in the moment right now commenting, this was something that happened to me : Got some friends over , let's play some halo reach or Halo 3 on the 360 that we borrowed from a friend, YAY! *starts it up* hey you need a gold subscription to do just about anything.. , that night was a sad one.
Oh yeah, it's completely ridiculous, and echoing what Rev already said, I can't believe I have to scroll through ads for a paid service. But they can get away with it, and they'll continue to do it for a long time I bet.
The ads don't bother me. You get ads when you pay for cable, Hulu, and many other services as well. Just the world we live in. And I don't personally pay to use Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, or any of the other services you mentioned on my 360, because like you said, I can get them elsewhere.
What I DO pay for is to play my games in a stable, consistent environment with my friends who aren't fortunate enough to own any other consoles. Now, would I PREFER to not pay? Of course! But I'm not going to miss out on playing 360 exclusives with all my 360-only friends on account of $5ish a month.
Don't get me wrong, I see what you're saying -- like I said, I don't ENJOY paying for what I can get for free elsewhere -- but to me, it's worth the very minor expense.
And yes, I know I'm a part of the problem :)
What I DO pay for is to play my games in a stable, consistent environment with my friends who aren't fortunate enough to own any other consoles. Now, would I PREFER to not pay? Of course! But I'm not going to miss out on playing 360 exclusives with all my 360-only friends on account of $5ish a month.
Don't get me wrong, I see what you're saying -- like I said, I don't ENJOY paying for what I can get for free elsewhere -- but to me, it's worth the very minor expense.
And yes, I know I'm a part of the problem :)
@LawofThermalDynamics
That's why I've got Gold right now, like I said -- I don't care for the Xbox LIVE community as a whole, but I really want to play with the Dtoid people for once.
@Caitlin
Unfortunately, I don't see Microsoft stopping any time soon, either. But I guess they won't stop doing what's making them piles of cash.
@Andy
Aw, you could never be a problem. MANLY <3
That's why I've got Gold right now, like I said -- I don't care for the Xbox LIVE community as a whole, but I really want to play with the Dtoid people for once.
@Caitlin
Unfortunately, I don't see Microsoft stopping any time soon, either. But I guess they won't stop doing what's making them piles of cash.
@Andy
Aw, you could never be a problem. MANLY <3
"Unfortunately, I don't see Microsoft stopping any time soon, either. But I guess they won't stop doing what's making them piles of cash."
Aye, this is true. And as many defenders of the fee will assert, it's only a matter of time before PSN becomes subscription-only, too.
Aye, this is true. And as many defenders of the fee will assert, it's only a matter of time before PSN becomes subscription-only, too.
You do make some good points, but I feel you're also missing some of the key things about XBL. While PS3 may offer similar service now for free, they have always been a few steps behind and I feel that the content Microsoft delivers is worth the small fee (less than 5 bucks a month). Sure the same features may end up on PS3 later down the line, but its worth it to me to get them a few months, or even years, ahead of the competition. Netflix is a great example. It was available on 360 months before PS3. A more recent example is the ESPN application which I find to be better than anything other platforms offer. And unlike PS+, I get to keep the games I purchase with my Gold account even if I choose to discontinue it.
You're right though, it all comes down to opinion and not everyone will share mine. To me, Xbox LIVE is still a much better all around service than PSN and I prefer it to Steam as well.
You're right though, it all comes down to opinion and not everyone will share mine. To me, Xbox LIVE is still a much better all around service than PSN and I prefer it to Steam as well.
@Rhuno
I agree that LIVE is better than the PlayStation network overall, but for me, it's by a very small margin, so I guess that's the difference.
@Byronic
I'm just waiting for online gameplay to go PS+ only. Don't know what I'll do then.
I agree that LIVE is better than the PlayStation network overall, but for me, it's by a very small margin, so I guess that's the difference.
@Byronic
I'm just waiting for online gameplay to go PS+ only. Don't know what I'll do then.
The PS3 could never charge for online play because it was so heavily advertised when it was launched as "free to play online". They can charge $10 for a PSN Pass though... which in the end amounts to paying for online play... though Xbox is also stuck with the online pass concept for many games too.
I guess if they dropped the whole online pass thing, I wouldn't mind paying the monthly fee... but both... man, it's just getting too expensive.
I guess if they dropped the whole online pass thing, I wouldn't mind paying the monthly fee... but both... man, it's just getting too expensive.
I would buy a multiplayer game once in a while if the multiplayer didn't cost extra. It's the principle of the thing, ultimately. I don't like being charged once for a game, again for a subscription, yet another time for an online pass...screw all that. I'd rather go without.
Another thing that bothers me is when demos come out and you have to either use the paid service or wait a week. Which is sketchy as hell, seeing as how they didn't do that at first. Everyone used to get them at the same time. Clearly, it's not a matter of subscribers getting demos early as much as it is making everyone else wait.
So no. I prefer to not do business with those kinds of people.
Another thing that bothers me is when demos come out and you have to either use the paid service or wait a week. Which is sketchy as hell, seeing as how they didn't do that at first. Everyone used to get them at the same time. Clearly, it's not a matter of subscribers getting demos early as much as it is making everyone else wait.
So no. I prefer to not do business with those kinds of people.
Crap... I'm brain dead tonight and forgetting that the online pass is only for used games... so doesn't really affect the costs... except for someone that buys their games used and then I would assume they would wait for a price drop that would at least cover the online pass cost.
I need sleep!
I need sleep!
As an owner of BOTH system and a 5 year xbox live gold membership subscriber I can honestly say there is very little difference between the two. Xbox live has a faster download system and a better marketplace. I don't experience a massive amount of lag on either system. the games are almost identical in most cases. Both systems have their fare share of exclusives. If I had to pick a system I would pick my PS3, mainly for the fact that I do not have to pay a yearly fee. The fee is a deal breaker sometimes and knowing that I already pay internet bills and have a computer I don't really want to pay $50 to play my Xbox every year. But yet I pay it anyway.
@Elsa
They also advertised Linux, but look what happened there -- One person found an exploit, and we all lost it. I wouldn't put it past Sony at this point.
They also advertised Linux, but look what happened there -- One person found an exploit, and we all lost it. I wouldn't put it past Sony at this point.
Don't get me wrong I absolutely understand what you're saying with stuff like Netflix which I kind of think they need to make it available for Silver members. I don't think it's that bad a deal atleast with Netflix as you can access your One Netflix account. When you can't access Live you can put that membership on hold. That's just one service though and not all of them are the same.
I think Live is worth it personally for the friendships I've made but as the service goes I just find it's interface for online multiplayer alot smoother than PlayStation's plus the Party feature is such a welcome change. Also no ridiculously long mandatory installs/updates which last only minutes on the 360. However that's just why I like 360 , as experiences vary.
However I do wonder why Sony wouldn't charge for online eventually. Not this generation but it's a revenue that's almost always guaranteed on Xbox whereas the PS Plus which I'm sure is great is also not mandatory and not a guaranteed money maker. Keep in mind Sony isn't your friend, much like Microsoft they want to make money it's why PS Plus exists and why it's not entirely unreasonable to think they may want to monetize Online play since it hasn't negatively affected Microsoft's userbase.
I think Live is worth it personally for the friendships I've made but as the service goes I just find it's interface for online multiplayer alot smoother than PlayStation's plus the Party feature is such a welcome change. Also no ridiculously long mandatory installs/updates which last only minutes on the 360. However that's just why I like 360 , as experiences vary.
However I do wonder why Sony wouldn't charge for online eventually. Not this generation but it's a revenue that's almost always guaranteed on Xbox whereas the PS Plus which I'm sure is great is also not mandatory and not a guaranteed money maker. Keep in mind Sony isn't your friend, much like Microsoft they want to make money it's why PS Plus exists and why it's not entirely unreasonable to think they may want to monetize Online play since it hasn't negatively affected Microsoft's userbase.
Unlike most people, I've had nothing but poor experiences with LIVE. It constantly tells me that my port forwarded settings are restricting the experience and it prefers my wireless connection which sucks for fighters. Comparing online experiences, my PS3 trumps the 360. I won't be renewing this subscription. The fate of my 360 is unclear.

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