WHY DO YOU MOCK ME?!?
(Okay, before people start with their OMG XBOX FANBOY garbage, keep in mind that I sold my 360
in favor of a PS3, so any of those comments are irrelevent. I'm just dishing out criticism.)
When I first heard of
Borderlands, I was a bit interested, but not nearly as crazy for it as everyone else got. Now it's out, and while I'm still interested, I still won't be dropping
everything to go out and grab it, but I may pick it up soon. However, something has come to my attention concerning the PS3 version that makes me wonder if I should do anything but rent it.
I've played more than enough FPSs this generation, and having that genre mixed with RPG elements sounds good. Diablo with guns? Yes, please. But the thing that
really got my attention was the inclusion of split-screen play for up to two people.
I. Freaked.
Out.
Not
nearly enough games nowadays support split-screen, so when my friend told me that he'd been playing that for a few hours, I almost instantly went out to grab the game. But then I found something out about the PS3 version -- Something that's been plaguing the console's multiplatform games for years, and is one of my biggest gripes with the PS3 -- The lack of multi-profile support.
You can't log into more than one PlayStation Network ID at a time. You know what that means? If you copy your game save to a friend's console and try to load your character, you won't be able to. If your friend is logged into his/her profile to play as his/her character and you go to play as Player 2, you can only load any characters
also saved to your friend's save file. Your save -- sitting on the console -- is useless until the logged-in profile is switched to yours, which would immediately leave your friend's character worthless while you continue to play.
The 360 version? Put it on a memory card and pop it in. Hey, you're done!
I don't understand why this is so difficult to do...
What the hell, people? I know there aren't many local PS3 multiplayer games, but this is a huge issue if you ask me. The only PS3 game that actually works with all the profiles simultaneously is
LittleBigPlanet, in which you could move your characters
anywhere and play as them as if you were playing on your own console.
NO OTHER GAMES ALLOW THAT. If one developer can do it, then why is every other developer on the planet so lazy? Or hell, why did Sony make the OS work that way in the first place when they had over a year to copy the 360's features?
I absolutely love my PS3. I really do. But this is a much bigger priority than any cross-game chat crap -- Multiple PSN ID support is a necessity at this point. I swear, consoles today have so many little issues that sometimes I don't know how anyone could possibly think they're better than last generation's machines.
(Can you tell I'm pissed off?)
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I totally agree. Personally I don't have an issue as nobody round here to do that with but I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of PS3'ers that do. Shame on Sony. It can't even be that hard considering MM can do it without even needing their profile on your PS3.
Yeah, I'm playing the splitscreen game with my husband and this is a definite issue. Luckily he cares nothing for trophies and isn't as likely to play with others... so we're both "Elsa" for now!
... the other annoyance is that even if you change the character's name... the name over both our heads is still the PSN name Elsa - a bit annoying to see my husband's big hulking Brick character named "Elsa" too. :(
I concur. This somewhat shatters the experience if you're hoping for some quick local play without having to cart your system around. I would imagine this should be addressed. I would go so far as to suggest you contact Gearbox regarding your concern and follow up.
Resistance 2 allows you to sign in with a different profile, for COOP or 2 player online play, but except for LBP, I don't there is many, if any, games that allow this.
Wow, I hadn't even thought of that issue.. You make a good point though and I hope this is something that gets fixed soon. Even though I don't have much hope for it, nothing this small ever seems to get fixed and the problems just keep adding up to major issues with this generations consoles. I'm just in a negative mood right now so feel free to prove me wrong!
It's not a problem with Borderlands, it's a problem with the system's firmware. It does suck, but it could be worse.
Somehow.
@Benson
Honestly, I totally agree with you. I know the PS3 is really meant to be played by yourself, but come on. I don't think every one of my friends should be forced to buy a console for a split-screen game. It's something Microsoft's had for years, over a year before Sony's console came out. I don't understand it.
@Mushman
Did they actually get that working in Resistance 2? I know it was being thrown around, but I thought it was canned because it wasn't possible with the current XMB. That's awesome if it actually works. I still say specific companies shouldn't have to do it, though -- It should be built into the actual operating system.
I've said it many times: there are not enough offline coop games. I didn't know this about the PS3. I'm kinda glad I bought an X360, right now. Either way, I feel your pain.
@Ron
Oh, I completely agree, it's the OS that's built into the PS3. I just figure if Media Molecule and, apparently, Insomniac can do it, then Borderlands should have it, too. But I completely agree, Sony needs to fix this problem immediately.
Another issue with this is Trophies -- How are Trophies supposed to compete with Achievements if only one person can earn them at a time?
@pedrovay
I got the game a year after it came out (cheap games WHEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!) and updated it as soon as I booted it up. Multi psn account sign in was there, and me any my nephew use it a lot, especially for coop. I have no idea if it was present before any patches, sorry!
I would like to cry about this some more.
@SantanaClaus
I don't know if you're mocking the concern or not, but to each his own -- This is a legitimate thing to complain about, and I'm obviously not alone.
This game has split screen?
Yea seriously, forget the PS3 version at this point: I was considering it, but there's no way now considering my wife and I couldn't have our own accounts.
That sucks. Sacred 2 has a similar problem from what I remember. One account, and the 2nd player was just plain 2nd player.
@Magnalon- Yeah. Me and your wife better have our own accounts too.
My friend has that complaint with Rock Band too. Sony needs to fix their shit.
I rented this (and am loving it) for PS3. Really, I don't give a fuck about trophies, but it sucks that I'll have to start a new character on my own profile. My brother and I still had alot of fun, but it does bother me a little.
Multi-profile support should absolutely be an option for current generation consoles.
nothings perfect but i hear the game is awesome tho just play the damn game i envy...
i like to play games alone now a days.
back in the day it was cool, cause we were kids and hand no cars or anywhere to go. so having friends over was multiplayer fun.
but now online kinda killed it, and with newer games grfx it always seemed to suffer in split screen games. just wasnt quite the same. also hard to see if it wasnt an FPS. then they started to change it to vertical split after a while. some had ways to change it. oh well.
but this does seem like a cool game for local splitscreen.
@fetusmilk
Most of the time I find myself playing alone as well, but I will never, EVER get tired of having split-screen support in my games. I can't tell you how many times I've been a part of split-screen sessions of Unreal Tournament 3 and Left 4 Dead. There's nothing like having everyone in the same room.
That's why I don't mind the Wii's online sucking so much -- It was made for people to be in the same room, just like the split-screen feature in Borderlands was. This split-screen doesn't work, though. But that's a Sony issue, not Gearbox.
My GF and I have been playing Borderlands a lot (PS3) and she cares not at all for trophies so she is as happy as a pig in mud.
I can see why this may irk you but does that make the game watered down?
Considering I haven't even stopped playing this game since I got it and have been having a blast online with fellow Dtoiders, I would say your assessment is a bit steep. I haven't even noticed it but I haven't cared about split-screen since the first Halo.
Haven't played Boarderlands but I will rent it because it interests me. This issue about only having one profile one PS3 at one time is something sony has to get done soon. It hasnt been a problem for me, but I would still like to see this happen.
Yojimbo the king of overreacting is telling someone they're overreacting.
Though, I really wouldn't play a game like Borderlands in split screen. Playing any non-multiplayer game in split screen is a total no-no for me. I still understand your frustration. Unlike other people.
"Not nearly enough games nowadays support split-screen," I think you just sort of explained the problem. Sony isn't hard at work trying to fix the login problem when people aren't bitching about it. People aren't bitching about it because there aren't very many games that would benefit from it in the first place. I'm not saying you are wrong, or shouldn't be frustrated, I'm saying the lack of demand and supply of split screen games itself is what's most likely to blame.
@Yojimbo
I couldn't really think of a term other than "watered-down," but I do believe this is actually a deal-breaking issue for me, personally. No doubt I'd play it online most of the time, but the fact that split-screen is there and totally butchered in my opinion is something that's stopping me from grabbing it right now. I'll have to rent first.
Word. I'm not sure what kind of hoops a developer has to jump through to include multi-profile support in a PS3 game, but I'm sure there are several, and they're on fire. The consistent multi-profile support on the 360 is one of the few good things to come out of Microsoft's draconian design policies and proprietary hardware.
I don't like it, but I can understand why a developer might not bother to include multi-profile support on the PS3 version of their game.
Yeah... not only can you pop in a memory card for the second player on the 360, but they can download their profile onto your 360... STRAIGHT OFF THE INTERNETS.
I just hate it that someone decided splitscreen isn't common enough so why bother. Bad choice. Same thing bothered me in the past about Sony consoles when they decided to remove the ability to use the link cable and stopped supporting it. I don't have fast enough internet where I live to play online all of the time and I play splitscreen a lot. I'm just glad my friends can use their separate profiles to do so on my 360.
@Steel
To be fair to the PS3, you can download your profile onto other consoles as well. I just chose the memory card example because your save game doesn't come with you when you download profiles.
yet another excuse microsoft will probably use to justify their 50 dollar a year xbl fee - not that it would make me get an xbox anyway
Honestly, I think Sony needs to take their head and pull it out of their ass. There are so many questions I have for them. I almost feel like they're trying to fail sometimes. But I still do love them...