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Top 5 Reasons Why We Hate Xbox Live
nixiepixel | 4:08 AM on 01.20.2009 32 comments


So the people suck on XBL, but no one talks about the system itself. We know they can do better, but we haven't said anything until now.



5. Changing Your Gamertag
Microsoft rewards people that get enough complaints about their Gamer tag by letting those people change it for free while everyone else has to pay. So the lesson is, be rude and get free stuff!

4.Reputation
Reputation has no meaning, other than to act as a report card on how well you have done pissing people off. No one but you sees it, it has no effect at all in terms of what a person can or cannot do, there is no punishment for low rep, and you never seem to have less reputation than you initially start with no matter how nasty you are to people. Rep has no point at all.

3. Avatars
They look adorable! You can dress them up but you can't take them out! Most of the (very few) "avatar specified" games like UNO or Hearts don't actually allow you to control the avatar. Overall, they sure do look pretty, too bad you can't really do anything with them. Our characters clothing is free, (for now). Are they going to charge us when they come out with more clothing options? What about buying a cartoon house, or a pet for our avatars? Microsoft has to make up for lost money from people not buying as many gamerpics, so those ideas are not so far fetched.

2.Paying to Play
Unlike other consoles such as the Wii and PS3, Microsoft charges at least $50 a year for us to play games online. That is bad, but unlikely to change, since over 10 million of us are doing so each year, which means over $500 million a year in Microsofts' pockets (not to mention their microtransactions). Yay!

1. Microsoft Point Scam
Items cost uneven amounts so that you always have extra/never have enough, you can never get the balance to 0, buying points in bulk doesn't give you a discount, and the points themselves are purposefully priced strangely so that you never know exactly how much that game you want to buy really costs in terms of real dollars without guessing or doing the math.

Thanks for listening to my little rant. =D



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nebones's Destructoid Blog
we?
nixiepixel's Destructoid Blog
The Royal We.. I'm 'bout it 'bout it.
Technophile's Destructoid Blog
I like xbox live. I'm weird though. I find it terribly convenient.

I agree with most of your points except #2. The reason we spend that 50 bucks a year is so we can get a more cohesive and stable experience. It's more stable and integrated into every game as opposed to PSN which can have you running off who knows what quality of server. It's all up to the developer because sony isn't footing the bill most of the time. Nintendo's online is a joke. It's a conduit to let us spend money. I can't even tell when people are online.

Granted it's not perfect, It should be less then 50 a year and the whole silver/gold should be dismantled. You should either have xbox live and all the features or not and not these varied levels of accessibility that just muddle the inherent value.

Also you...uh..

yeah I can't concentrate. Your avatar is distracting. Also, I like redheads.

What were we talking about?
ArrestedDeveloper's Destructoid Blog
The only point that bothers me is the paying for a gamertag change (mostly because I hate my gamertag). - 2 points for use of the Royal we.

Also, cocks
exodus1925's Destructoid Blog
Gotta say, I like Live. I've never had any problems with it, but I understand your pain.
vexed alex's Destructoid Blog
While I will agree that me being charged $50 a year for Live is crap, but comparing it to the Wii and PS3 online service is unfair. STEAM on PC is a much better model to use as a comparison.

Also, avatars in Uno are practically worthless. Do they even appear during a game, or do they just dance around on the title screen?

Excellent post.
boatorious's Destructoid Blog
I totally agree about the rankings. Horde mode in Gears 2 is completely irritating because people are always quitting early. A guy last night quit in the second round, and I've seen people leave in the first round.

On average I'd say 1.3 people quit every single game of horde I play -- and yet when I submit a negative review they always have five stars. So is this the first time they ever quit? Or is it just impossible to have a low rating?

On top of that, these people have clearly quit before -- why do they end up in games with people who never quit and are just trying to play the game?
ZeroTolo's Destructoid Blog
I will stand by the fact that the Microsoft Points system could use work, but as far as paying for Live goes, I really don't have a problem with it.

The way I see it, paying $50 a year for Live and complaining about being dropped from parties is better than having a free PSN and wondering when I'll even get voice chat or in-game friend invites.
ScottyG's Destructoid Blog
5 I don't really see as a big deal. I frankly like how you can't change your gamertag name whenever you want, unless it's in a situation where the XBL community at large things you should. You can change your display name whenever you like on Steam, and there are some people I can never keep up with because of it.

4 just sounds like an idea they had and never really implemented well.

I don't understand why people are getting all bent out of shape over 3. Aside from making a weird looking one I don't care about avatars, and if you don't want to spend money on them you can easily enough ignore that part. Funny enough they're already leagues better than Miis, even if that isn't saying much.

Since it's close to that time for me to get another XBL Gold card, I'll have to agree with you on 2 somewhat. Although that fee does help pay for dedicated servers, and really isn't that much when you break it down. I didn't quite know just much stuff on XBL requires a gold membership though, which does suck. :S

1 is a pain in the ass for sure. Especially as the points are worth different amounts in different countries, so that 800 point game costs ~$11.50 in Canada. Even more annoying is points cards only work in their region, so I can't buy cheaper points cards from online stores who only sell US ones. :S
ZeroTolo's Destructoid Blog
Also, I concur with Technophile's sentiments about both your avatar and those with titian hair.
Vitamin Awesome's Destructoid Blog
"Haven't said anything until now" probably isn't the best thing to say, considering these are all the same gripes I've heard about the service since its introduction.

Charging to change your gamertag is a bit crap, to say the least.

Reputation is a bit misleading, but most people are just not doing it right. Aside from avoiding a player (how many times are you matched up with someone you give negative rep to?), you can also prefer people, which I've found matches me up with people I prefer all the time.

I'm still up in the air about avatars until someone makes a damn convincing argument against them. "Being forced to use them" isn't convincing enough to me, I can still use my purchased gamerpics on my cards.

Paying to play and MS Moon monies can be attributed to a business making money. It's also a thing of preference. Why buy a beverage from a vending machine when you can drink from the water fountain for free? Some folks like the sugary drink, despite adverse health affects associated with it. MS points can also be purchased in different denominations, and XBLA games are certainly more adequately priced than what Nintendo has on the Virtual console, I'm surprised nobody gripes about wii points as much as MS points, when it's worse.
vexed alex's Destructoid Blog
After owning a solid (mostly) gaming PC for a few months, I'm no longer comfortable paying $50 for Live.
Takeshi's Destructoid Blog
As for the points stated in this blog (note: I don't have a 360 but do want to respond because it's somewhat similar as the PSN).

Changing your Gamertag.
I can see why people want to change it sometimes. Hell, I would want Takeshi but some Japanese bastard took it. I think they should do it for free but what'll happen then? Annoying bastards changing their name every 2 seconds to spam you with messages and what not. Should be quite easy for Microsoft to track 'em down but it's a pain if you get spammed by multiple names I guess. That said, I'm don't know how the Gamertag system works in the background.

Reputation
Never heard anything about that. I guess it would work if really did anything. But you could get raped by a whole clan because you've just kicked the shit out of them. I wish there was something like a block function on PSN. Not only that they can't message you again but you don't end up playing games with them ever again. I know that would be a bit too much to ask for but still I'd like to see it.

Avatars
I think they look shitty but that's personal. You had to pay for gamerpics? Really? What a scam. That all I can say about it. I'm pretty content with just a non-moving picture based avatar on PSN

Paying to play
I don't want to pay for something like that. I don't have a credit card (quite hard to get one in The Netherlands) so if I chose to play on a 360 I would never use Live. Or can you pay with those point cards as well? Haven't got a clue. I do think it should free if you buy a console. Pay for a console, pay for their online, pay for the internet, pay for games. I know they want to make money and like you stated a lot of people are using it. But from what I've seen there are no really big differences between PSN and Live. If there are I would like to hear it from someone that uses both the 360 and the PS3. I've heard too much fanboys without proper argumentation. And what about certain games that are played on a peer-to-peer basis? I wouldn't want to pay for something like that.

Microsoft Point Scam
All I can say I like they way Sony does that. Dollars for dollars (Euro's for Euro's in my case). Sure a lot of stuff costs 6.99 (<-dot or comma? I mean six ninety nine.) but that one cent doesn't bother me. It's only one cent and if you buy enough you can spend all the one cents. Uhm, you get what I mean.

@Zerotolo
What about the 6 player video-chat on PSN? I can see and talk to my friends across the big pond in really really good quality. And in-game friend invites? You just have to press the PS button on your controller and invite anyone you like. Some games even have it in their menu's. So it's there. There's a list of people you've met in the games you played too. I don't know what all the fuzz is about. If you're referring to cross-game chat. I don't want that to happen. I don't get it why you'd want that (if that is what you're talking about, I know a lot of other want it.). Let's say I'm playing Uncharted or some other single player game, I don't want to chat with people. I just want to play that game and be amazed by it, I don't want to get distracted by someone else talking shit or yelling that he just fragged so-and-so in that-and-that game. Or how awesome he is at shooting aliens. No way. I'll join your chat anytime to talk about stuff. I'll even skip a good night sleep for that. But just don't mess with me when I'm playing a game. In-game messages are more than enough for me.


Blog-in-a-blog!
Yours,
Takeshi
ZeroTolo's Destructoid Blog
@Takeshi

Aaah.... my mistake. Apparently I was given old information.... I'll get that damned talking duck next time, just you wait.
garison's Destructoid Blog
I like xbox live, but it has kinda problems.

Also, why didn't you do friends list? You should be able to have 1000 friends. Is that possible?
mustang's Destructoid Blog
Wow at some people defending Live costs. Are you all Microsoft stockholders?

People always quote the quality Live has over its competitors but after using it for a few months, I came to the conclusion that such advantage is a myth. Steam is on par with Live in functionality as it's free, PSN and WiiConnect are getting there and are free. In my opinion Live's 'value' isn't worth $50 bucks.
Clockwork's Destructoid Blog
I'm with Technophile. I'm more than happy to pay. I play on PSN from time to time and it's just not as smooth as it should be. I often get disconnected randomly, and this is not due to my connection as my Wii and Xbox 360 never get disconnected in such a way. I don't mind paying because Xbox Live is the best online experience around.
Coonskin05's Destructoid Blog
Hey I know you.
Dudemullet's Destructoid Blog
I totally have that video on your avatar, <3
Qraze's Destructoid Blog
i agree with takeshi on in game chat, if i'm playing something, don't invite me to another game and don't bother me. the in-game chat iwnat is the ability to play magic ball while talking with a friend playing novastrike, not pausing the game to do it. playing while chatting is the future
brainderailment's Destructoid Blog
@Takeshi, the main difference between Live and PSN is that Live uses (on almost all games) Peer to Peer connections while PSN uses dedicated servers on all games and the option on Warhawk to use Peer to Peer. Despite people claiming that you pay for servers on Live, you are not. That is why there is host advantage on many 360 games.
ScottyG's Destructoid Blog
@Dudemullet
link plz?

Or at least the name so I can... buy... it...
nixiepixel's Destructoid Blog
@GARISON You're right, the fact that you can have only 100 friends is a bit jank. =(
smurfee mcgee's Destructoid Blog
-Having to pay to change your gamertag is utterly ridiculous.
-Rep is pretty useless. Is that the extra stuff we're paying for?
-Avatars are, again, useless. I don't hate them or like them, but I don't like having to make one.
-Paying to play is fucked up; I buy their hardware and their software, but I still have to pay to play with anyone else. And with the decline of split-screen in many games, I am forced to pay to play some games with other people.
-I don't know about points being a "scam." It's set up in confusing way, for sure. If that's to indeed fool people, then I suppose you could call it a scam.
Is the service the best of the current consoles? It seems that way. But I don't have a PS3, so I can't really say. I still don't think it's worth $50 a year. (or more) I'm glad I got a 13-month card for $30. It feels a little better.
Good write-up.
thebza's Destructoid Blog
stop global whining
Takeshi's Destructoid Blog
@Brains

Thank you. I don't know why people pay for Live then. Peer-to-peer should be free, always.
Corak's Destructoid Blog
I clicked here just for the avatar.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Destructoid Blog
Don't have a problem with paying really, its just 50 bucks and they have a good network system.

I agree on the rest.
pendelton21's Destructoid Blog
I have masturbated to your avatar so many times it's not even funny.
Shoop's Destructoid Blog
I think paying for XBL would be justified if they actually hosted like... servers. P2P connections aren't very fun.
retroNutZ's Destructoid Blog
i agree with most of what u said. Steam is proof that a gaming client can be free and still work well. lets hope Microsoft never thinks about buying them out.


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