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Feminism and Fat Princess
nintendoll | 10:07 PM on 07.26.2008 22 comments


I am tired of hearing self-proclaimed feminists bashing the game Fat Princess. Besides the fact that this is a game and should not be misconstrued as anything else, there are many points that are being outright ignored concerning this issue.

I have made several comments on the now well-known Shakesville "feminist" blog. I'm not going to link to it, because I think that what they are doing in the name of feminism concerning this debate is ridiculous. In fact, doing anything in the name of a cause merely means you are too cowardly to do it in the name of yourself (see: Christians slaughering thousands in the name of God, GWB bombing Iraq in the name of national security, etc). My comments, though not offensive in any way (I never cursed, used the words "fat" or "fatty," and did not make personal attacks), have been blocked by the moderator. However this is an issue I feel strongly about, and I can't sit around silently while these people pat themselves on the back and say "Job well done!" after blocking all intelligent comments and simply claiming they are victims who deserve to rip apart those who leave negative comments.

Feminism is defined as the movement towards women having equal rights as men. In its infancy, this movement was developed specifically for women to be legally guaranteed these rights. In today's post-feminism world, the government has ensured that women have their equality. Feminism has now moved on simply to the idea that women are people. To say that one gender is superior to the other, male or female, is considered sexist. What most feminists are a part of now is cultural feminism, which largely deals with gender roles in the culture we live in today.

What does this have to do with the Fat Princess debate that rages? Let's take a look.

Many of these feminists were offended by the idea of Fat Princess. Weight issues aside, the core complaint seems to be the idea that the female figure is weak and needs rescuing. The plot of this game is one that has been used time and time again, and yet I have heard no thundering of voices, no unified outcry against a game before this. This is because any real feminist realizes that this situation is pure fantasy and not meant to be a commentary on gender roles. If it was, why would the first well known video game hero be a fat, Italian plumber? Do you see men running around complaining that they are not fairly represented in video games? No, they enjoy the game for what it is: entertainment.

Women may still say that the female gender is still being misrepresented and that it needs to stop. However, that is a process that is already beginning. More and more companies these days realize that women are also important consumers, and therefore make strong female characters. Samus, Joanna Dark, Dawn Star, and even Lara Croft all represent girls who kick some serious ass. Thinking back, I actually can't remember a game I've played in the last 5 years that has a male character rescuing a female character. In most of the games I've played within the last year (Persona 3, Orange Box, Rock Band) women are portrayed as an equally important part of the action and story line. In fact Portal is widely regarded as being one of the most innovative games created for a current-gen system, and there are no male characters to be found.

What this really comes down to is one, simple fact: This is not a feminist issue. Yes, a princess has been kidnapped--however in most kidnapping situations, no matter what the gender, the victim is helpless. In Persona 3 (spoilers?), one of the male characters gets kidnapped by a woman. Isn't this what we can consider equal? There are dozens of games where women are the heroes or are portrayed as strong individuals, and dozens more where men are the protagonists. In fact even in games where the male is the dominant figure, it is unusual today for a strong female supporting role to be absent.

So what is the real issue at hand? What I find amusing is that this game only seems to offend overweight feminists (with maybe a handful of others mixed in to show their support). Dragging feminism into the picture is a ploy to take the attention away from what these people are really offended by: portrayal of an obese woman in a video game.

Honestly? Any woman who is has self esteem and self confidence would not be offended by something so trivial. I'm not offended by the stereotypical big-breasted, thin-waisted women that are in video games because they don't make me feel insecure or inadequate. These are fantasy characters and the whole point is that they are not real. Not. Real. Why should I be offended by something that isn't even real?

These women will not listen to the arguments that the princess in the game is force fed as a tactic, and that her extra weight is not discouraging her people from saving her. If this game is at all meant to be a social commentary, I think it is saying that over-eating unhealthy foods is detrimental (especially if someone is trying to rescue you).

I'll take it back to a point that was made in the movie "Super Size Me." It's ok to walk up to a stranger who is smoking and say, "You know that stuff's going to kill you" but you can't walk up to an overweight person in a fast food line and say the same thing. You can say it to a thin person (I've had people say it to me when I worked at Wendy's) but saying it to someone who is overweight is apparently offensive. This is because people identify so strongly with how they look as a major part of who they are as a person. Changing what you say based on how someone looks? That kind of sounds like bigotry to me...

This "controversy" has become an endless loop; point out that this is not a feminist issue and they'll say it's making fun of fat people. However if you start out by explaining that it's not a game meant to make fun of fat people and it's suddenly all about inaccurate portrayal of women as a helpless gender.


These so-called feminists are also not doing anything to protest the production of this game. For all of the time they spent troll baiting, they could have written emails to the developers, started a petition against the game, or even protested outside of the studio. How dare these women call themselves feminists when all they do is sit on a computer whining about how this game sucks and is unfair yet haven't even bothered trying to do something about it. Either laugh it off and ignore it or go do something. The one thing I can't stand are people who sit around complaining about how their lives suck or the world is unfair but don't bother doing anything to try and change it.

Maybe if they got off their asses once in a while, they wouldn't be so fucking fat in the first place.

This blog was getting too serious, had to throw a fat joke in there somewhere :)



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Rifter01's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2008 23:41
Rifter01
LoL from what I read.. The fact they blocked your comment is just lame.

I guess da truth can be painful sometimes xD
braulio09's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2008 23:42
braulio09
.... i think i love you
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2008 23:48
MrSadistic
I think Morbidly Obese Princess sounds like a more awesome name.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2008 23:57
Y0j1mb0
Our freedom of speech is freedom or death
We got to fight the powers that be

Fight the POWER, Nintendoll!!
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 00:14
Technophile
The one thing I can't stand are people who sit around complaining about how their lives suck but don't bother doing anything to try and change it.

A-fucking-men.

My question to those "feminists" is this: Do they even play games at all?

I'm tired of people being offended at shit they don't care about in the first place. Movies they wouldn't see, games they wouldn't play or TV shows they wouldn't have watched. The only reason it's on their radar is because it has content they are "supposed" to be offended by.
nintendoll's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 01:42
nintendoll
@Y0j1mb0

GET TOUGH NOW!
red tide's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 01:44
red tide
Indeed,

Well put my dear.
Skribble's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 01:55
Skribble
Man, great writeup, you should send a copy to them or something.

The fact is that if the game were called 'Fat Prince', we'd all be sitting around talking about something else right now.
Coonskin05's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 02:09
Coonskin05
You forget that logic isn't conventional to these "women", and I use the term loosely here.

But fantastic read, this should be front-paged ASAP.
Johnny_Storm's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 02:48
Johnny_Storm
10 bonus stylish points for you ;-) any idea when the game is coming to the PSN?? i have been wanting a new game im kind of tired of Pixel Junk Monsters
nintendoll's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 03:02
nintendoll
@Skribble

I would send a copy to them but they would chalk it up as "hate mail," correct any spelling and/or grammar errors, then claim superiority. Seriously, that is ALL they did on their little "troll-bashing" thread. Oh, and they would call me their new favorite made-up curse word, which is "fuckneck."

They also made comments like "You don't see US trolling around your your site." You know why? Because you actually have to sign up for this site to comment. Someone who only had negative things to say would not want to increase the number of registered users.

Also, we bash trolls so hard here that they don't come back. There are over 2000 comments on the blog entitled "Fat Princess Update" and probably only a 3rd (at the VERY MOST) are actual trolls.
jestarinc's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 03:47
jestarinc
Bravo!

I love it how these "feminists" try to find something "hateful" to their cause. If the roles were reversed, I bet they would be singing praise for "Fat Prince".

But, positivity doesn't get hits, right?

I can see parallels with the "blatant racism" bred from the first RE5 trailer. Goddamn sensationalists.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 06:29
Timmeh
Haha, I looked at that blog and it was a bunch of pathetic idiots all congratulating each other for 'expertly' proving they are right and everyone else was wrong by labelling anyone not in agreement a troll. That's it. Every time. "Oh it's another troll" followed by another congratulatory post on debunking the troll.

Bunch of sad fucks need to go out and actually try doing something constructive with their time instead of sitting at the computer finding things to feel victimised and exploited by.
Jamie McGinn's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 06:55
Jamie McGinn
Great write up, I only wish you could force them to read this, and I mean actually READ it.

Perhaps if you promise them a cake afterwards?
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 10:05
Aaron Mxy Yost
Someone who has a legitimate difference of opinion from them = trolls. These people aren't worth the effort of debate. The only people who will take them seriously are other idiots.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 10:23
Qraze
they choose to be offended because that's what's in. no one called them fat and they ain't fucking princesses. if it had been a fat sweaty guy in a wifebeater no one would have cared. fuck being politically correct, i will offend everybody who isn't born a certain way. i don't offend blacks, i don't offend japanese but if its a choice you made in life to go thru then i will offend you because you can change. a fat person can choose to lose the weight and being offended by that should push them more to lose the weight. fuck them and good write.
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 13:14
TheDreadHawk
Bravo! ENCORE! FANFARE! etc. etc.

But seriously, good blog.
PsychoSoldier's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 14:26
PsychoSoldier
I totally agree with you on this issue. It a game they don't have to buy at all so why complain about it.
KyleGamgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2008 15:54
KyleGamgee
Great post, Nintendoll. Don't you just wish you could grab people and shake 'em sometimes?

Ugh, people...
n3rv3's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 01:54
n3rv3
well it's stupidity like this that makes me wish I could hit people through my internet connection. why can't they just see it's a simple game. It's like saying that mario portrays fat plumbers in a stereotypical way. I also agree with QRAZE's statement
jebussaves88's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2008 07:34
jebussaves88
I got banned from that site too, and I also didn't swear (closest I came was "goodness") That site is definatly filled with nutters.
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