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I LOVE JRPG's and even I found Blue Dragon just plain BORING. The art style was gorgeus but I didn't feel it.
Maybe if it had some orb collecting like Crackdown...
I LOVE JRPG's and even I found Blue Dragon just plain BORING. The art style was gorgeus but I didn't feel it.
Maybe if it had some orb collecting like Crackdown...
I feel your pain, at least to some extent. I still wonder why I never hear anyone talk about Suikoden on even hardcore game sites like this one.
I actually like Blue Dragon. It takes a bit longer than most RPGs to get into but once you do it becomes quite enjoyable and keeps you playing until the end.
JRPGs have always been regarded in this fashion in the West. Even after Final Fantasy VII people who haven't got into them see them as boring because all they see is you selecting a command from a menu and watch your character do it. Not exactly exciting when you first see it and people don't like to invest time to get into things. So fuck them they are the ones missing out
JRPGs have always been regarded in this fashion in the West. Even after Final Fantasy VII people who haven't got into them see them as boring because all they see is you selecting a command from a menu and watch your character do it. Not exactly exciting when you first see it and people don't like to invest time to get into things. So fuck them they are the ones missing out
Honestly, I could give two shits about how the halo nation feels about JRPG's or any genre in general. What matters is that I can enjoy them
let them bash, and you guys can stay angry at them while I enjoy the fuck out of Lost Odyssey, Ciao
let them bash, and you guys can stay angry at them while I enjoy the fuck out of Lost Odyssey, Ciao
Honestly, I could give two shits about how the halo nation feels about JRPG's or any genre in general. What matters is that I can enjoy them
let them bash, and you guys can stay angry at them while I enjoy the fuck out of Lost Odyssey, Ciao
let them bash, and you guys can stay angry at them while I enjoy the fuck out of Lost Odyssey, Ciao
Rainbowblack is right here. What does matter what everyone else thinks? Did you enjoy Blue Dragon? Then why does it matter what some mouth-breather on Amazon thinks about it?
The game sold like crap in America but it was a pretty huge success in Japan given how small the install base is so I'm pretty sure we can look forward to seeing more games from Mistwalker. The game doubled Sakaguchi's expectations over there.
The game sold like crap in America but it was a pretty huge success in Japan given how small the install base is so I'm pretty sure we can look forward to seeing more games from Mistwalker. The game doubled Sakaguchi's expectations over there.
Yes some of them are even too repetitive and archaic for me, like anything made by Gust and Idea Factory.
Uh yeah, and yet you lavish praise on primitive games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey? At least LO has a good story to save it, Blue Dragon's just a mummy in a fresh tuxedo.
Other than that blurb, I echo your sentiments as well. Aside from Final Fantasy, JRPG's will pretty much always be a niche market here.
Although, this is leaps and bounds better than the NES through PSX days, when our JRPG market was virtually ignored by Japan.
Uh yeah, and yet you lavish praise on primitive games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey? At least LO has a good story to save it, Blue Dragon's just a mummy in a fresh tuxedo.
Other than that blurb, I echo your sentiments as well. Aside from Final Fantasy, JRPG's will pretty much always be a niche market here.
Although, this is leaps and bounds better than the NES through PSX days, when our JRPG market was virtually ignored by Japan.
To reiterate what's already been said, I liked Blue Dragon and regardless of all the hate that seems to swirl around it I actually enjoyed it too. I'll have no one tell me otherwise either because despite some glaring faults with the game it satisfied my masochistic levelling streak for a fair bit until the next JRPG I wanted to play came along.
Blue Dragon is most certainly not for everyone, even some JRPG fans but those who do get into it thoroughly seem to enjoy it. Yeah it's a niche market, granted it's not everyone's cup of tea but I'm glad the US and Europe are seeing more of these games.
Blue Dragon is most certainly not for everyone, even some JRPG fans but those who do get into it thoroughly seem to enjoy it. Yeah it's a niche market, granted it's not everyone's cup of tea but I'm glad the US and Europe are seeing more of these games.
"People seem way too interested and shooting or beating people up that they can't appreciate the idea of plotting a battle with some thought. Is that all people want in the US (stupid question, stupider answer)?"
Hey now, none of that. It's hardly fair to let mouth-breathing Halo fanboys represent the entire population of the States you know. Believe it or not a few of us aren't twats.
Hey now, none of that. It's hardly fair to let mouth-breathing Halo fanboys represent the entire population of the States you know. Believe it or not a few of us aren't twats.
"What does matter what everyone else thinks?"
Sadly, it DOES matter what people think. If bad reviews lead to bad sales, and it subsequently becomes too much of financial sink to make a type of game, then more games like it are less likely to come out, or at least be done well. The latter starts a cycle. I like JRPGs, and I'd like to see more good ones get some love. I think Naia's got a good point, that if MS is going to drop a load of money on a company's door to make a game, they should at least have SOMETHING to say about said game. MS gave Mystwalker some cool cash to make Blue Dragon, maybe they could have had a few of their people PLAY THE GAME and give an opinion. Maybe it was a combination of bias against JRPGs and the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything" adage, but come on, get a guy who likes JRPGs to give it a go and have him as a guest on a podcast.
It's MS being hypocritical like this that bugs me.
Also, for the people who reviewed it negatively for being what is is:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/05
One last thought: I hope that first reviewer Naia showed didn't LOVE FFXII:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/07
Sadly, it DOES matter what people think. If bad reviews lead to bad sales, and it subsequently becomes too much of financial sink to make a type of game, then more games like it are less likely to come out, or at least be done well. The latter starts a cycle. I like JRPGs, and I'd like to see more good ones get some love. I think Naia's got a good point, that if MS is going to drop a load of money on a company's door to make a game, they should at least have SOMETHING to say about said game. MS gave Mystwalker some cool cash to make Blue Dragon, maybe they could have had a few of their people PLAY THE GAME and give an opinion. Maybe it was a combination of bias against JRPGs and the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything" adage, but come on, get a guy who likes JRPGs to give it a go and have him as a guest on a podcast.
It's MS being hypocritical like this that bugs me.
Also, for the people who reviewed it negatively for being what is is:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/05
One last thought: I hope that first reviewer Naia showed didn't LOVE FFXII:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/07
@Big Z:
"I know there are exceptions to the rule, of which many of them read Destructoid, so don't get me wrong."
I know that not everyone is like that. I even said that. I'm kind of preaching to choir in some respects.
I used Blue Dragon as an example, but I don't want this to be all about Blue Dragon. That wasn't my point and I'm sorry if it came off that way. My point is that JRPG's seem to get sabotaged before they get a chance. Blue Dragon seems to be one of the more high profiles sabotages.
I don't care what the Halo nation thinks, but I do care about the companies backing their own product without setting it up for failure
"I know there are exceptions to the rule, of which many of them read Destructoid, so don't get me wrong."
I know that not everyone is like that. I even said that. I'm kind of preaching to choir in some respects.
I used Blue Dragon as an example, but I don't want this to be all about Blue Dragon. That wasn't my point and I'm sorry if it came off that way. My point is that JRPG's seem to get sabotaged before they get a chance. Blue Dragon seems to be one of the more high profiles sabotages.
I don't care what the Halo nation thinks, but I do care about the companies backing their own product without setting it up for failure
Blue Dragon moves at a slow pace but it's good in it's own right. and yes it is pure beautiful.
but come on...there's alot of people who will use the "RPGs suck cause i'm not actually controlling them" argument. I hear it all the time. I even hear it from idiots who play RPG...which makes it even more stupid.
but come on...there's alot of people who will use the "RPGs suck cause i'm not actually controlling them" argument. I hear it all the time. I even hear it from idiots who play RPG...which makes it even more stupid.
