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Boo! Braid really is 1200 MS Points
naia-the-gamer | 12:58 PM on 08.04.2008 52 comments


http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2008/08/04/560402.aspx

Microsoft decided that it will test the consumers to see how much money they will be willing to pony up by announcing Braid will indeed cost 1200 MS points (that's $15 in real people money). It seems like a big middle finger to deny the pricing a week ago, only to confirm it now.

What has bothered me the most since day one with downloadable games is that Microsoft indirectly controlled the entire market. Since their console came out first, they got to be the first to decide on pricing. Frankly I think with a lot of the titles that hit XBLA even 800 points is too much, let alone 1200 (although it WAS totally worth it with Puzzle Quest, since the stand-alone game was $30). Since they were able to get away with it for year, it made it easy for Nintendo and Sony to use similar pricing models, also making their titles in some cases worth more than they are.

Now they are pushing it again. I want to support a game like Braid or Castle Crashers, because they look like amazing titles, but I don't want to support Microsoft seeing how far they can gouge the consumer.

The whole thing has been a slippery slope since day one, and now it's really starting to show.

Or maybe I'm just whining because I'm poor.



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eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:07
eternalplayer2345
I'd pay it in heartbeat.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:08
BlindsideDork
I don't want to spend more than $10 on a game that will be a weekend play. That's why I can't get behind this. Expect Castle Crashers to follow the same suit.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:11
king3vbo
Castle Crashers I'll pay for, but Braid I'm kind of wary paying 15 for
CountingConflict's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:13
CountingConflict
I hope Microsoft gets AIDS.
frozenbabylon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:15
frozenbabylon
Meh. I don't really care about Braid. I'm just in it for Castle Crashers and Bionic Commando.
The Timely Howard's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:18
The Timely Howard
How can they justify this price when most other games in XBLA's summer lineup are priced at 800 spacebucks each? Galaxy Wars: Retro Evolved 2, Galaga Legions-- even Bionic Commando Rearmed will cost only 800 points.
power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:18
power-glove
If this game were released in another format like Steam, PSN, or Wiiware, and cost the same price, would you still be complaining? Your complaint about the price seems to be aimed at MS and not John Blow, who has a say in the price

According to Edge Magazine, which gave the game a 9/10 review, this game is worth every penny. As you know, Edge does not hand out high scores very often.

Let the game show you what it is worth. You if you like what is presented in the demo and can afford to buy it, do so. If you can not afford it and still like the game, save some money for it or wait for a likely price drop. I don't want standard pricing for XBLA titles.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:22
Y0j1mb0
You mean Microsoft lied??

Whoah.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:25
BlindsideDork
Well according to such and such, Alone in the Dark and Daikatana were amazing games.

$15-$20 is a lot for a weekend romp.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:25
Clint
Isn't it also coming out on Steam? Just buy it there. The creator will still get money from you're purchase (probably even more then if you had bought it on XBLA) and you sending a message to Microsft that you're not paying the much for XBL games by not purchasing it from there.
drogaz1's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:28
drogaz1
It's worth every penny if you ask me. Braid looks like it's probably going to be the best game to come out on Xbox Live this year. I don't care how much it costs, I want to be supportive of people like Johnathan Blow who make innovative and artistic games like Braid. Especially when it looks like it sadly won't sell very well.
aggro tortoise solid's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:29
aggro tortoise solid
I was about to buy Puzzle Quest on XBLA, but then I found the PSP version on Amazon for about $8.50, so, yeah...I'm pretty good.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:31
Timmeh
Ah well, won't be getting this off XBL if at all then. I won't be supporting this retard pricing scheme. Fuck them.

What next? Lost Odyssey 2 confirmed - another 4 DVDs only this time priced at $240?
SteamyV's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:33
SteamyV
I'll say the same thing I always say regarding issues like this: XBLA games have free trials for a reason.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:35
BlindsideDork
XBLA have free trials and then half of the people say "you have to play the whole thing to really enjoy it."

What do you say about dem fan bois?
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:41
Tubatic
I'd probably be wary about a 1500 point WiiWare game too.

Hmm, well, I did buy My Life as a King, didn't I . . .
TrailerParkJesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:41
TrailerParkJesus
"Or maybe I'm just whining because I'm poor."

Ditto for me.
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:41
ParaParaKing
I'm pretty sure, that the game is worth the money, but since a lot of people won't buy it, because of the price it's a huge disservice to the developer by Microsoft.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:42
Bob Muir
I have no issue with paying more for an excellent game. Last night I finally looked at Anthony's preview from March and was sold on it. Would I like it cheaper? Sure, but that's true of anything in life.
NotAZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:44
NotAZombie
When it's priced like this it's not just "15 bucks" because you can't buy in that increment, therefore it gets a no purchase from me.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:44
Tubatic
"Hmm, well, I did buy My Life as a King, didn't I . . ."

But I guess the thing there is that I was getting something from a developer I trust for a certain level of quality, which they delivered on, in my opinion . . .

I don't know Blow. but I will play a demo.
power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:45
power-glove
Jimbo, they said that the price of Castle Crashers was wrong not Braid.

SWPM, nope, there is no Steam version announced at this time.

BSD, lets say that you bought a full retail game at $60 that only last 6 hours but you enjoyed those six hours and don't regret paying that price. Why can't some people enjoy a fifteen dollar that lasts half that time?
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:59
BlindsideDork
They are more than happy to spend their money...I personally get behind it. But as of now, if there is a full retail game that only has around 6 hours of gameplay, I will probably just rent it/GameFly it and not spend the extra cash. It is a waste imo.
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:00
Technophile
Just so this part is clear, its the publisher that determines the price. In Braid's case, it is Microsoft so that's who to blame for that.

In the case of Castle Crashers it's the Behemoth and for Bionic Commando it's Capcom. So, if Castle Crashers price upsets you, yell at the Behemoth.

Just wanted to put that out there because it seems like MS is getting the undue brunt of blame for this stuff.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:05
BlindsideDork
@Technophile, you are wrong.

If ANY game comes on XBLA, MS has the final say on how much the game costs. So if MS jacks the price up on a title because of whatever reason, it is M$ to blame.

And yes, I used the dollar sign. What of it? Want to fight about it? Okay...let's go.
Yashoki's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:07
Yashoki
One point: Assassins creed cost 60 dollars. Alone in the Dark is 60. Kayne and Lynch was 60. Seriously, shut the fuck up.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:12
falinter
I would have bought Braid no questions asked but now I'll wait till the rest of you guys play and tell me if its worth it.

::sinister laugh::

But fuck you Microsoft, Castle Crashers im still buying day one.
Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:14
Brian Szabelski
I played Braid. It's a fun game, yes. Don't know if $15 is the right price for it, but I have a feeling it will be worth it at 1200 points.
Red TheHaze Veron's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:16
Red TheHaze Veron
Braid is also coming to PSN. Just wait for it there where itll be more reasonably priced.
naia-the-gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:16
naia-the-gamer
For the people arguing that games that cost $60 and have 6-10 hours of gameplay being justifiable: I don't buy them. I DO have a problem with a game costing that much money and having so little play value. This probably comes from me playing so many RPG's that I expect more for my money. If I want to play one of those games, I wait until it's cheaper. Just because it looks pretty but time-wise is nothing more than a glorified movie experience (that's in sheer time, not quality), I should have to spend 4-5 times as much.

So yes, I DO say it with my wallet. I won't pay $20 for a 3 hour game. I still haven't bought the Penny Arcade game and won't until it's less than $20. I didn't buy My Life as a King either, because I thought the game was too expensive.

But that wasn't the point to my rant: the point to my rant is that Microsoft is taking advantage of the consumer and paving the way for letting Sony and Nintendo to do so as well. Frankly I think that is bullshit.
JavTheGreat's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:25
JavTheGreat
I would buy Castle Crashers for 15 dollars because it has multiplayer and tons of modes...

As far as Braid, I think there is no multiplayer...Just some platformer where you can control time (Blinx was preety hyped if I remember correctly because it had 4Ds!!)

I'll try the demo but I'd rather save the money for Bionic Commando next week.
power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:37
power-glove
Redzie, MS is the publisher and the only other place where it will be released for is the PC.

Naia, why should a XBLA DD be held to such a strict price of 800 pts? If you can't afford it, then I am sorry that you can't afford it. PSN is releasing big titles for 40 dollars so why can't MS try the same thing some day. If you want a strict price scheme then you are saying to MS, we don't want big budget game released via DD.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:38
Clint
@powerglove
Looked it up, and sadly, you're right. But a PC version is forth coming! :)

Also, aren't the whole reason games are $60 is because manufacturing the disks is so expensive? Since downloadable don't need to be manufactured, shouldn't their prices be much lower then that?
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 14:52
Aaron Mxy Yost
I don't really see this as MS taking advantage of the customer... They can price the title whatever they want, they're publishing it. You're not entitled to play a game, you look at the cost versus gameplay and make your decision if it's worth it. If it's too much for you, it's too much. Personally, it looks like a neat game but I'm probably not going to fork over $15 for it unless I absolutely love the demo. If they decide to lower the price later on (Puzzle Quest was recently reduced to $10 on XBLA, so it does happen), then I might reconsider.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 15:25
Darren Nakamura
I can see where you're coming from, as they're seeing that people will now pay $15 or $20 for XBLA titles, so what's to stop them from trying to charge $25 or $30 or more?

Still, Braid seems like it's worth $15, and I'll be picking it up on day one.
cjpkiller's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 15:45
cjpkiller
I paid that much and more for lumines and expansions
I don't mind a bit.
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 15:52
Technophile
@BlindSideDork

Well, yes. In essence MicroSoft has the last say on anything in their console. However, they generally do not force a price on the publisher. They only ask that you adhere to predetermined price points (400,800,1200 ect). I've never heard of MS FORCING a publisher to go with a higher price point.

Now, Microsoft is the publisher in alot of cases, so of course they will set whatever price point they want.

What do I know though, I only work for the company that has released more XBLA titles then any other besides Microsoft.

(I hate playing the "durr i'm in the industry" card, but this is kinda right up my alley)
kalidanthepalidan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 16:04
kalidanthepalidan
Man, the entire internets is bitching about this today.

Voting with your wallet is important. Obviously some people will say $15 is too much, as everyone assigns their own worth to anything they consume. But from all the previews we've read, Braid is an extremely beautiful, innovative work of art. If that ends up being the case, I'll gladly support it at a price point of $15.
Red TheHaze Veron's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 17:07
Red TheHaze Veron
@heretic

Cause it has nothing to do with microsoft. You could say the same for sony but we're talking about DL games here, where MS likes to "Experiment" with pricing that involves shoving a huge stick up your ass.
Yashoki's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 17:15
Yashoki
Heaven forbid we pay more than 20 bucks for an amazing game.

Aquaria is 30 dollars after being out for a good while, and you know what? I dont feel my money was wasted at all, because I dont think that a game like that is worth the 10 dollars a shitty crossword game on XBLA is. I would have gladly paid 40.
naia-the-gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 18:40
naia-the-gamer
@Powerglove:

I think the problem is that most of the games that have come out as downloadable titles AREN'T bigger budget. From what I heard (and correct me if I'm wrong) Braid wasn't a huge title to make.

Sony is releasing retail games of a very large size via download and that's a big difference.

Again, I really feel like Microsoft is taking advantage and THAT's what I have a problem with. The Braid pricing is the tip of the iceberg.

But looking at all these comments, it seems like most of you missed my point, and I don't want to add any more fodder to the trolls.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 18:45
Darren Nakamura
I touched on your point, Naia! And not in the dirty way that my mind just came up with after writing that just now.
power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 19:49
power-glove
Naia, there have only been 4 titles in XBLA history that have broken the 800 pt barrier. They are Roboblitz, Lumines Live, Puzzle Quest and Penny Arcade:Ep1. Braid is the only the 5th title to break that barrier. The next two games that are up for release will be 800 pts. I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill with this crazy idea that MS is going to change their pricing structure. There is still a limit of 1600 pts on XBLA games.

Secondly, there is a game on the PSP and DS called Space Invaders Extreme. It sells for 20 dollars. It is considered by many to be a steal at 20 dollars. But, if you were to sell that game on XBLA at the same price, Taito would be crucified for it by gamers just because it was on XBLA. There is a stupid double standard that consumers seem to have with XBLA titles.
ScottyG's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 21:14
ScottyG
@Power-Glove

Until Castle Crashers comes out that is. Then the limit will be 1800! ;)

And yeah, we expect to pay less for a game on XBLA than for a physical disc/cartridge because the developer and/or publisher is saving money with digital distribution. A LOT of money. It'd be nice to see at least some of those savings.
JRisJunior's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 22:21
JRisJunior
its a full game. even though it's on xbla, it's still a full game worthy of your money.
Yashoki's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2008 00:32
Yashoki
We DO see those savings, all the fucking time. Games like Pac-Man Championship Edition would be 25 bucks minimum if it came boxed. And even then we'd feel like we were getting ripped off for a few modes of gameplay.
Knivy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2008 01:19
Knivy
I bought the PA game 2 weeks ago from steam at $9.99 :)
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2008 07:50
Wexx
Well, you could be paying the price of a full-retail game for it, would you still buy it then?
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2008 19:06
Arttemis
I was have easily purchased this game at 800 points (which was admitted to be the desired price point by the developer himself). The fact that it was raised was not because of hte game's quality; that argument is moot to me. The change in price was purely strategic by the publisher.

If an item could have been sold for 50% less, but wasn't, I won't agree the pricing scheme.
Supporting the game is one thing, but 'supporting' the elevated price is only sending your acceptance of a higher pricetag to Microsoft in the form of $5 extra dolors.

The fact remains that these are forms of entertainment. No one is obligated to purchase every game that some people enjoy. You'll find that most people (I hope our society is educated enough for that to be true) value their financial situation more than "supporting" a developer's work being overcharged by its publisher.

What's pathetically ironic is that the extra 50% is most likely pure royalties directly for Microsoft, not the developer.
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