The following is a List of everything blamed on Society's problems before Video Games.
- Alcohol
- Comic books
- Movies
-A Clockwork Orange (movie not book)
A Clockwork Orange was the Grand Theft Auto of it's day. Granted I can't imigine a Car jacking set to the old Ludwig Van actually I can... quite beautiful that would be it would. But none the less shortly after the movie's release in the Uk Tons of Violent crimes were blamed on the movie. To the point Stanley Kubrick was fearing for his life In response he pulled the movie from UK theaters and to this day I don't believe it's been shown there again.
and Malcom McDowel would later go on to voice John Henry Eden in Fallout 3
-Rock Music
-Rap Music
-The Jews
-Blacks
-Mexicans
-the Chinese
AGAIN not being racist here
-Hemp plants
-Swearing on TV
-Communists
-The Simpsons
Father of our Halfwit last president once said " We all need to be more like the Waltons and Less like the Simpsons": -George HW Bush
Idicoy runs in that family I guess.
-VCRs
-Cassette tapes
- Freemasons
-The Illuminati
In spite of the fact they don't exist and people with Paranoid Personality Disorder STILL Blame them for everything
-Free thought
-Teen Pregnancy
-Long hair on men
-Jeans on Grils
-Poetry
- short shorts
- Nipples
- Elvis
- The Beatles
- Madonna
- Marilyn Manson
Yes he came about after video games but before research was done to prove video games make up violent freaks Manson was blamed for everything when the worst thing he does is get his dick sucked by Jeordie White (AKA Twiggy) on stage
That's all I can think off the top of my head.
Can any one else add to the list?
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There's a lot to add to this list, but really, Elvis is the main one.
I guess you could say Harry Potter, for evangelical Christian kids, whose parents banned the book series from some schools.
... but what does that say about us as a culture? I have no idea, it's just an interesting thought... as is the thought that what entertainment mediums will we see in the future?
Oh... and you forgot hippies, the miniskirt, and of course... women getting the vote! :)
If anything, todays are so much more tame.
You must be fucked up! I can't think of ANY mainstream movies that are nearly as disturbed as Clockwork Orange, especially since nearly no movies nowadays have a rape scene, much less two.
The only one that I can think of off the top of my head that comes close that was released to mainstream theaters is The Hills Have Eyes 2.
I'm glad you know what was going on with A Clockwork Orange. People seem to forget it was Kubrick himself that pulled the movie.
"Violent and competitive video games CAUSES (yes, causal not correlational) aggression, that's a known scientific fact."
My criminology education, and multiple texts say that's fallacy. Here's a rudimentary study that will get you started.
I won't bother going into it with you, but I will say that in addition, national violent crime rates have dropped significantly since the advent of the first wave of violent games (Mortal Kombat-->on).
"I think it's fair to say that the world would have been a better place without GTA because there are some crimes that have been directly linked to user consumption."
We should also ban American football because of directly related Super Bowl crimes. Basketball too, because of the riots a little while back. Also, the World Cup.
I think we should also discourage progressive thoughts in the realm of literature: that small percentage of people that tried to fly because of the Harry Potter books and died wouldn't have perished because "the world would have been better off without Harry Potter".
It seems interesting to me that with the violence and rape scenes that caused a movie to be banned... that same movie can now be watched (unedited) on late night TV. That's the cultural shift I was referring to.
Most people know that, but think of how profound the fact that it was banned for 27 years is. I think that's what Michi was getting at; that, and the fact that it was banned in the first place.
Does anyone else think it's amazing that Michi, despite the fact that he can't spell, can blog better than Hoborg?
A Clockwork Orange wasn't banned Stanley Kubrick withdraw the movie in the UK because of copycat acts of violence blamed on the film.
The Accused had that one short scene, and that was it. Until she got up and started screaming, it wasn't particularly shocking in my opinion. Clockwork Orange has violence, sex, and rape throughout the entire movie as a central focus, and all of it is intense.
I think part of my reason for being confused why you call it tame compared to recent movies is the sheer casual nature that DeLarge has with violence. To me, the act of beating up and killing homeless people for fun is more disturbing than anything in CSI.
I did think of another film that's close to as disturbing: American Psycho.
The real reason is because of death threats given to him and his family. I think of that as the public at large banning the film, even if inadvertently so.
@hoborg
You can't be serious , give us some links for those "studies" and we'll talk ...
@magnalon
Yes , I think that it's common sense that even Michi can make better blogs than Hoborg .
You need to watch a lot more movies if you think A Clockwork Orange is worse than anything else. For instance that scene in True Romance where Patrica Arquette gets beaten up is much, much worse than the violence in A Clockwork Orange. The scene in Leaving Las Vegas where Elisabeth Shue gets raped is also much worse than the suggestive scenes in A Clockwork Orange. Ever seen Ichi The Killer or Baise Moi? A Clockwork Orange is a Disney movie compared to those.
@Magnalon
You say "Clockwork Orange has violence, sex, and rape throughout the entire movie as a central focus, and all of it is intense." Which makes it sound to me like you didn't understand the movie at all. The central focus is not violence nor sex and rape. Also, the violent scenes in the movie aren't explicit at all. You don't even see that much. A lot of the scenes are suggestive. We even watched the movie during our English class, back when I was 16. I also read the book for my list.
anyways I was watching a documentary on Stanly Kubruck last night that's how I learned he pulled Clockwork Orange. Kuburck is one of my favorite directors and creative influences.
Like me he marched to the beat of his own drum. Everyone else's rules be damned.
considering my first and Middle name are John and Paul I SHOULD have remembered the Catcher in the Rye.
back to the failboat with me
I mean to the common audience from a purely visual standpoint that's it's focal point. I understood the movie, but to someone who did not think about it very much, there is quite a bit of tension to it throughout.
I also didn't think those scenes in Leaving Las Vegas or True Romance were that bad. I loved the movies though; good choices! In regards to Ichi The Killer or Baise Moi, I was talking about mainstream, popular movies.
Hell yeah dude, Kubrick is an amazing director. I love every single movie he made. What's great about him is that his movies are so diverse, pretty much every genre. Was that the documentary Stanley Kubrick: A life if pictures? Need to watch it again someday.
"and Malcom McDowel would later go on to voice John Henry Eden in Fallout 3"
That's pretty cool. I didn't know that. The only thing I know he did lately was a voice in Metalocalypse.
@Magnalon
Uhm, those movies are pretty popular (I don't think lunatics that go on a rampage care about if a movie is mainstream or not). I don't see why it has to be mainstream all of a sudden. But lets keep it mainstream for a bit. Sin City, Kill Bill Vol 1, Reservoir Dogs, Scarface, Robocop, Fight Club, American History X (curbing scene), Hannibal, 300, Pulp Fiction, Scarface and pretty much every Arnold Schwarzenegger movie except for Twins. All those movies have a healthy dose of violence, murder, rape and manslaughter in them. WTF is mainstream anyway? Let's not get that discussion going. But I guess almost everybody has seen the movies stated above. And I don't consider A Clockwork Orange more mainstream than the movies stated above. But I do think the scenes in that movie are much less explicit than in the movies stated above.
Those scenes I mentioned not that bad? You'd better watch 'em again someday. Then tell me if you still think that horrible gang-rape in Leaving Las Vegas wasn't that bad. Come on man, she got beaten, raped and after that they kicked her out of her motel, pushed her out of the casino by the skirt and gave her verbal abuse about being a whore. And if that isn't bad enough the cab driver says: "I see you had a little trouble sitting down, did you receive an unexpected backdoor delivery?" Dude that's fucking sick! Maybe I should use your own words here: "You must be fucked up!" Or maybe I should say that to Elisabeth Shue in Leaving Las Vegas. But that would be pretty sick.
True! I guess I'm just freaked out by the macabre nature of DeLarge's violent sprees.
By mainstream, also there's no need to argue here, but I'm talking about what mass society would blame their problems on (ie the blog topic): Ichi the Killer isn't known in most American circles, but if it WAS, it would certainly be a prime scapegoat.
I do need to see Leaving Las Vegas again. I think I saw it three years ago, and I remember it being bad, but not as bad as I expected.
Either way, good points! I see your argument, and submit, but I still think Clockwork Orange is by no means "tame", even by today's standards.
In other news, I'm Singing In The Rain with my large concrete dildo with my droogs.
Maybe it's the whole setting of the movie that makes it less tame for some. The contrasts are quite big throughout the movie. I mean listening to Singing in the Rain while beating up somebody can be quite a shock for some. It's not the first thing you think of when you hear that song. Well, at least if you see the movie for the first time. I can't separate the song and the movie anymore. But I think I've watched the movie 20+ times now. Which could also be the reason I think it's pretty tame. Well, I guess not really because I wasn't shocked by it the first time I saw it.
Either way. It's still one my favorite movies of all time. Scratch that. It's not 'one of' it's my favorite movie. Lonely at the top.
@Havoc
Hopefully while drinking milk plus Synthemesc, Vellocet, or Moloko Drencrum!
@Michy
Something I didn't know about the movie/book is that Mick Jagger supposedly bought the script for $500. He wanted the band members of the Rolling Stones to play Alex, Pete, Georgie and Dim. The Stones and The Beatles had pretty much the same effect on people back then so that would add something to the controversy.
I kinda missed The Stones next to The Beatles on your list. They did a gig once here in The Netherlands and the crowd literally destroyed the venue. For a video click here and fast forward to around 1:27 (the rest is Dutch bullshit). They only managed to play a couple songs. It was mainly because the Dutch police didn't know what the hell was going on. They instantly got very violent when seeing outrageous teenagers doing their thing. But in the end the band got blamed for all the damage. Just like video games now.