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I think from now on we should give every game a 10/10 just so we don't hurt anyone's feelings. Oh we will definitely be laughing at them when they turn their backs without reading the review body and go make the purchase like blind sheep. For sure. But for that split-second before we crush whatever self-confidence they had to begin with, they can feel complete.
And then we shall take it all away....
And then we shall take it all away....
YOU'RE MAD!
Also, don't forget that you aren't supposed to give a good score to a game that people decieded was bad long before it was released.
And by "good" I mean an 8 instead of a 7.
Also, don't forget that you aren't supposed to give a good score to a game that people decieded was bad long before it was released.
And by "good" I mean an 8 instead of a 7.
But Celica, I just heard that we should never give games 10s because then it doesn't leave any room for games that might come out later and be better.
I've noticed nearly half of all reviews are lower than the average metacritic score. I wouldn't trust any site that couldn't give exactly the same score as another site.
But seriously, I don't think this is something that will go away, probably ever.
What really amuses me is how many people must read multiple reviews of games to read what they were wanting to hear in the first place, and then go back and accuse the other sites of writing it wrong.
TBH, the 10 for forza has left me more floored than a 6 for brutal legend.
But seriously, I don't think this is something that will go away, probably ever.
What really amuses me is how many people must read multiple reviews of games to read what they were wanting to hear in the first place, and then go back and accuse the other sites of writing it wrong.
TBH, the 10 for forza has left me more floored than a 6 for brutal legend.
I never understood the whole "this game must have great reviews for me to like it" thing. Or, rather, I guess it's more of a "because I like this game it must have great reviews".
Personally, if I like a game I pick it up and I enjoy playing it it; I read/watch the occasional review to see how other people see it, but I never expect other people to have my perspective.
Personally, if I like a game I pick it up and I enjoy playing it it; I read/watch the occasional review to see how other people see it, but I never expect other people to have my perspective.
Complaining about some arbitrary number is pretty idiotic. However, complaining about something a reviewer said that is just flat-out wrong? Something else entirely.
I haven't read this review for Brutal Legend - and don't plan to. I already have the game, I don't need to be justified in my purchase. However, I think it is important to note that not everything that a reviewer says is opinion. If a reviewer says "Game A forces you to play a certain way, and if you don't like it, tough.", and you know from experience that the game provides MANY options for tackling any scenario... I just don't see how you can pin that on "Oh, it's opinion. Whatever."
This isn't just an issue with negative reviews. Anyone remember the review for Resident Evil 5 from GameInformer? Even though it was a VERY positive review, it earned a lot of hate. When the review cites things like "intuitive inventory system" and "great partner AI", it's pretty vexing based on your own experience with the game. Of course, both of those strings of praise are simply a matter of opinion, but still, I think you can see where I'm coming from.
I haven't read this review for Brutal Legend - and don't plan to. I already have the game, I don't need to be justified in my purchase. However, I think it is important to note that not everything that a reviewer says is opinion. If a reviewer says "Game A forces you to play a certain way, and if you don't like it, tough.", and you know from experience that the game provides MANY options for tackling any scenario... I just don't see how you can pin that on "Oh, it's opinion. Whatever."
This isn't just an issue with negative reviews. Anyone remember the review for Resident Evil 5 from GameInformer? Even though it was a VERY positive review, it earned a lot of hate. When the review cites things like "intuitive inventory system" and "great partner AI", it's pretty vexing based on your own experience with the game. Of course, both of those strings of praise are simply a matter of opinion, but still, I think you can see where I'm coming from.
@the7k
You make a perfectly reasonable point. However, in the case of Brutal Legend, I think a lot of the disagreement rests largely on opinion. Some people are just not going to like the RTS elements or the way they're implemented. But with this game, I think the problem is more that some fans don't like the score not matching the hype. There was certainly a lot of hype going into this game, whether you're a fan of heavy metal, Jack Black, Tim Schafer or whatever, so they just can't understand someone not going with the flow.
Not related to your point, but something worth mentioning in all this silliness: Giant Bomb reviewed the game and gave it 3/5. Surprisingly, most of the comments were restrained and reasonable, not the shitstorm that we had here. What does it say about our community?
You make a perfectly reasonable point. However, in the case of Brutal Legend, I think a lot of the disagreement rests largely on opinion. Some people are just not going to like the RTS elements or the way they're implemented. But with this game, I think the problem is more that some fans don't like the score not matching the hype. There was certainly a lot of hype going into this game, whether you're a fan of heavy metal, Jack Black, Tim Schafer or whatever, so they just can't understand someone not going with the flow.
Not related to your point, but something worth mentioning in all this silliness: Giant Bomb reviewed the game and gave it 3/5. Surprisingly, most of the comments were restrained and reasonable, not the shitstorm that we had here. What does it say about our community?
@mecgayakyza
i don't think it's a negative on our community to be homnest. This game was extremely hyped up, but regardless the score that doesn't mean people who want to play it can't, or shouldn't just because it was scored less than this mythical level of perfection we find in numbers.
Even the most of editors seemed really excited for it but just excitement alone isn't reason to give a game a score it's not worth. Brutal Legend was a victim of too many bumps I think. It had so much going for it that some basic mechanics got lost in translation.
But having not played it myself I can't judge how accurate Any reviews are, but I would trust Destructoid, giantbomb and Xplay personally moreso than any of the others. Tis my bias so to speak. Even if i game I'm excited for gets a low score it won't effect my purchase too much in all honesty, which is why review scores systems are broken busted conventions...
i don't think it's a negative on our community to be homnest. This game was extremely hyped up, but regardless the score that doesn't mean people who want to play it can't, or shouldn't just because it was scored less than this mythical level of perfection we find in numbers.
Even the most of editors seemed really excited for it but just excitement alone isn't reason to give a game a score it's not worth. Brutal Legend was a victim of too many bumps I think. It had so much going for it that some basic mechanics got lost in translation.
But having not played it myself I can't judge how accurate Any reviews are, but I would trust Destructoid, giantbomb and Xplay personally moreso than any of the others. Tis my bias so to speak. Even if i game I'm excited for gets a low score it won't effect my purchase too much in all honesty, which is why review scores systems are broken busted conventions...
Personally, I find reviews to be little more then informative opinion, but the thing is, it's SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION. It's like the oft-overused phrase goes, "Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one". There's no way to say that it's a -wrong- opinion, so why bother? I mean, I read Nick's review. I expected an 8 or 8.5 out of him or Brad, mainly because it seems tailor-made for them, but the gameplay flaws dulled down the experience for them. So just because I expected an 8.5 and saw a 6, should I bitch? No, I instead went out, rented the game, and formed my own opinion. After sitting through the game and beating the campaign in one night (First marathon gaming sesh in a while for me!), I had come to the conclusion that, although all the issues he had with the game were very valid (And very annoying at times), I found myself able to enjoy it despite it's flaws (Save for a certain battle against a certain girl in a certain foggy place that took a certain amount of hours).
tl;dr version- Don't shit on someone else's opinion. Go make your own.
tl;dr version- Don't shit on someone else's opinion. Go make your own.
Events like this lead me to believe that the average gamer is pretty immature. I would like to think more highly of the gaming community, but when many gamers act like review scores rule their lives, I want to distance myself from those people.
A 6 on this site is not as low as a 6 on sites like IGN and Gamespot that people loved to bring up for those review comments. It's like people think they can't enjoy the game if one person gave it a lower score than they thought it should have gotten. People also like to think someone's opinion is wrong just because it's more negative than the majority's.
Even a perfect score isn't enough to stop people from complaining. X-Play gave Killzone 2 a perfect 5 out of 5 and PS3 fanboys still found ways to whine about it.
A 6 on this site is not as low as a 6 on sites like IGN and Gamespot that people loved to bring up for those review comments. It's like people think they can't enjoy the game if one person gave it a lower score than they thought it should have gotten. People also like to think someone's opinion is wrong just because it's more negative than the majority's.
Even a perfect score isn't enough to stop people from complaining. X-Play gave Killzone 2 a perfect 5 out of 5 and PS3 fanboys still found ways to whine about it.
Ridiculous, isn't it? Oh well, sadly there is little we can actually do. I have long ago stopped even bothering to read reviews all together, much less even look at comments on them. The amount of sheer idiocy and immaturity is just sickening, why some gamers so childish at times? Ah, it's not that bad on Dtoid though, at least we can have fake flame wars and have fun and just joke around.
Also, I think that reviewers should just get rid of scores in total. A number does not show a complex opinion and they are not good references for comparison. If a game like Mass Effect gets a 7 and Splosion Man get a 9, does that mean Splosion Mans the better game? No, not at all. Plus lots of people don't even read the review, they just scroll down to the score.
Also, I think that reviewers should just get rid of scores in total. A number does not show a complex opinion and they are not good references for comparison. If a game like Mass Effect gets a 7 and Splosion Man get a 9, does that mean Splosion Mans the better game? No, not at all. Plus lots of people don't even read the review, they just scroll down to the score.
Why don't we read the actual reviews anymore instead of the goddamned number? Y'know, it's much easier to relate to what someone has to say than it is to relate to a dubious numerical approximation of worth and value.
Fun fact: "Utils" is an actual unit of measurement used in economics to describe how much enjoyment/satisfaction ("utility") a consumer receives from a given product or service based on the price, personal preferences, and the price and/or similarities of potential substitutes. Maybe reviewers should start talking like economists, forcing readers to learn about economics or stop reading reviews. Either way.
"This game, at the offered price, gave me a whopping 100 utils out of a total of infinity."
Fun fact: "Utils" is an actual unit of measurement used in economics to describe how much enjoyment/satisfaction ("utility") a consumer receives from a given product or service based on the price, personal preferences, and the price and/or similarities of potential substitutes. Maybe reviewers should start talking like economists, forcing readers to learn about economics or stop reading reviews. Either way.
"This game, at the offered price, gave me a whopping 100 utils out of a total of infinity."
It's not about the games, it's about self-esteem and justifying arbitrary belief in arbitrary things. It's about lack of self-belief and a fear of being wrong. There's a lot of peer influence here.
