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Watchmen Review (NVGR)
manasteel88 | 12:27 PM on 03.07.2009 17 comments


This isn't a review for people who want to see the movie. Spoilers will be involved.



After years of sitting on the side saying that a Watchmen film could never be compressed into a movie, Zack Snyder decided to prove me wrong. For his efforts he did indeed do that. In what felt like a Lord of the Rings style lengthy movie he really tried to make the Watchmen work.

I went to see the film with two other people. One had just read the book that day, the other had never read the book with myself not having read the thing in a few years. I have to say out of all three I'm the only one who seemed to enjoy the movie for what it tried to do. It tried to be Watchmen. It just wasn't any of our idea of Watchmen.

One of the biggest additions to the movie was Nixon's involvement in the story. From him we got the Doomsday clock or whatever they referred to it as in the movie. It's basically a clock (with a standard watch face) that counts down to midnight. At the stroke of midnight will signal nuclear holocaust. Its a vague metaphor that never really seems to make sense and is too on the nose for anybody who enjoyed the writing that Alan Moore does. It is a bad metaphor that stems from the role that the newspaper vendor played in the book. He was the one that brought us into the gravity of how the world was and the ultimate signal for when the Cold War was to come at its highest. His scenes were the obvious first choice to being removed, but what replaced him failed to show the gravity and tension of the Cold War.



My second gripe would have to be the audio. I actually think that Zack Snyder made some of the parts in the film quite enjoyable with some songs that he used. However he didn't succeed in every scene. In the weirdest scene I've ever had to sit through was hearing Hallelujah pumped through the speakers while Night Owl and Silk Specter II made love on Archie. It was either intentionally funny or unintentionally so, but it still was weird. It didn't help that the scene was arguably too long unecessarily.

Characterization throughout the movie fluctuated. Ozymandias wasn't any fun to watch until the big fight at the end. The Comedian did a fairly decent job. Every part where they expanded on him or showed some emotion with him felt awkward, he did however nail every scene he had to fight through. His fight with Ozymandias was fantastic and everything I had hoped. Dr. Manhattan was too soft spoken for me personally. Not that he shouldn't be, but that I would never believe Manhattan would allow himself to be so soft as to deal with other people to leaning in to hear him. I had to do that more than a few times and it didn't fit the character. Silk Specter I (the agent from Entourage that slept with Vince) was too young to be an old lady in make up and demeanor. She also was flirting with The Comedian way more than she should have before he raped her. Silk Specter II was also unnecessarily flirtatious. She never flirted with Night Owl II before the alley fight. She did however in the movie. Night Owl I was underused completely. His book had no meaning on the story where in the book it was the whole backdrop into the lives of the Watchmen. Night Owl II was amazingly awkward. I feel like he should be, but then I feel like maybe it was just bad casting. In other words he felt too awkward. Last but not least is Rorschach. I was a little over critical of Jackie Earle Haley before the film. He didn't impress me through 3/4 of the movie, but nearly everything from the moment of his capture felt like I had seen Rorschach come to life. That was the Rorschach I wanted to see on the big screen and that's what I got, but only really for that one scene. His alter ego Walter Kovacs was never fully flushed out and the ominous The End is Nigh scenes were fully overwhelming, because they focused way too much on this man that was basically a back drop with no pressence in the book, and every time he was showed on screen, we were made to stop and focus on him. The violence that Rorschach caused however was pretty on the nose.



This was a brutal movie for action scenes. Somewhat unnecessarily so. There are only four people that should have killed somebody in this movie. Rorschach in the name of Justice, The Comedian showing the Joke that is humanity, Dr. Manhattan to preserve humanity and Ozymandias in perverting justice. Silk Specter II killed a thug by jamming a knife in his throat. Night Owl broke a lot of people's bones in awkward positions. Dr. Manhattan just went around frying mobsters and Vietnamese. Rorschach killed a few people in manners that were obscenely violent. Splitting the pedophile's skull open with a meat cleaver numerous times just didn't seem like the Rorschach that I knew. It was pointed out to me later that the man was supposed to be burned alive in the same manner the girl was incinerated instead. While on that, it was a little on the nose to have her foot dangling from the bone that the dog's were fighting over. We all knew what the dog's fought over.

These were some of the main gripes:
The menage-a-trois wasn't done right with hand placements in weird positions and Dr. Manhattan saying I thought this is what you liked instead of I thought this is what would please you
Lack of Dr. Manhattan's devolution of costume showing his withdrawal from humanity
Night Owl had a cape when he said specifically he made his costume without the cape due to dollar bills death.
There was no progression of change in outfits for the heroes.
The reveal of Janey Slater was ridiculous and down played the feelings she truly had for Dr. Manhattan.
The revelation of The Comedian as Silk Specter II's father was so poorly done that it made it more obvious than interesting.
They showed Silk Specter I and her husband's fight multiple times. This didn't need to happen and it revealed the punch line too early in the story. So it just turned into a bad joke.
Night Owl I lives whereas that moment is what propels Night Owl II to break Rorschach out of jail as it brings to light the validity of the Mask Killer theory for Night Owl II.

All that aside the movie did bring some really cool parts:
Night Owl II in the Snow Owl outfit was really cool as opposed to his lame brown costume.
The violence with its extremities aside was still some of the best fight scene direction I've seen in a while.
Archie was really cool looking.
Dr Manhattan looked really cool crashing through the Antarctic reactor.

Also, there was no Squid and even though that would have been cool there was a fairly reasonable script change. Not brilliant but pretty good as far as script changes go.

Overall its a C grade movie that came from A grade material. Its not at all a bad movie. Its not a really good movie. Its better than what I thought Watchmen would be but worse than what I wanted it to be.



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Pygmy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 13:14
Pygmy
You do realize the doomsday clock wasn't made up just for this movie right?

I agree with most of your points, but i still think it was a much better movie then what most people would have thought it to be.

It followed the comic almost exactly (or at least as close as a comic book movie has ever followed the comic), minus the whole newspaper vendor bit, but adding that in would have made the movie even longer. At least we got to see him and the kid with the comic book in the explosion.

I went to the movies to see the comic taken from the pages to the movie screen, and that's pretty much what i got.
Barcode's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 13:19
Barcode
This movie is better off if you don't watch it and actually just read the graphic Novel. I am someone who hadn't read it and watched the movie. My friend went with me and he read the novel. Even he said the same thing I did.

Also, the sex scene was not needed. It really wasn't. Though it was by far better than in 300, it REALLY was not needed.

However, watching the movie somewhat got me to want to get a hold of the novel.
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 14:29
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Yeah, saw this movie last night, and I thought it was a pretty awesome action flick. But the thing was, Snyder seemed to be trying to make it more than that, and that's where I think he failed. I know that the director really wanted this film to be a direct adaptation of the comic, but at times is just sounded weird hearing the actors say lines word-for-word from the comic, and, while some of the things coming out of the heroes mouths sounded pretty thought provoking and interesting at times, sometimes they just seemed plain stupid.

I gave it ***1/2 out of *****.


Also, blue penis ftw. Awkward sex scenes ftl.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 14:40
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@Pygmy

It did and didn't follow the comic exactly. When the scenes get chopped up and moved around it changes what is meant to be conveyed.

the reason we got to see the kid at all was because they are planning to release an animated DVD extra of the Black Freighter.

I don't remember a Doomsday Clock ever in the book. Maybe you can help me out here.

@Barcode
Its definately better than 300. My only real gripe with 300 was the involvement of the Queen. Her role was unnecessary to the story.

@007
If you went into it expecting an action flick, well thats not what it was supposed to be. Its really supposed to be more dramatic. I agree that some lines didn't transfer well, but the overall worked.
Benson's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 14:42
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I think I would have enjoyed the death of the pedophile better if it was done like in the book.

and with that sex scene this movie has suddenly become unaccessable to almost 80% of what should be the comic book industries focus. Children.
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 15:14
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Weeeeell, I think you're being a little overcritical and nitpicky but I understand most of your points. Pretty much all (though granted, not all) of your gripes are just due to time constraints of the medium. I know you could say "Then why make it a movie?" but seriously, when has any movie adaptation of a book (or comic book) ever captured the full gravity of the original. I think it turned out pretty amazing considering the source material and Hollywood's tendency to chew up and destroy things of that very nature.

"Night Owl I lives whereas that moment is what propels Night Owl II to break Rorschach out of jail as it brings to light the validity of the Mask Killer theory for Night Owl II. "

Hollis Mason's death was actually shot and apparently was Snyder's favorite scene, but had to go for time reasons. Expect it to be on the director's cut which is supposed to be like 20 minutes longer.

@Benson
Well A] Watchmen really shouldn't be accessible to children and B] Comic books shouldn't focus on any one demographic. They should just focus on telling good stories for whether that's for children or adults.
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 15:50
007
@Manasteel

I didn't. I went in expecting to see something intelligent and different, and all I got was the latter.
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 16:19
TheCleaningGuy
I liked it.
Poopface Morty's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 16:24
Poopface Morty
@Benson: "and with that sex scene this movie has suddenly become unaccessable to almost 80% of what should be the comic book industries focus. Children. "

Yeah, never mind the extremely violent combat scenes, the attempted rape, dogs eating the remains of a child, excessive political overtones, mass murder of millions of people...no, it was the SEX SCENE is what made it unaccessable [sic] to children. Get fucking real man. Saying children are the comic book industry's focus is like saying the same about cartoons as well (sure those kids are eating up Aqua Teen Hunger Force, while not understanding a fucking thing).

I think most of the negative reviews I've seen are from a) the extremely pompous (eg. The New Yorker) or b) those who are too clingy to the comic, as though you're suddenly surprised by the fact that a film remake of a book/comic isn't entirely faithful to the original source. Of course it won't be, and everybody has different ideas of what should have been done, but frankly, I thought Snyder did a great job while trying to keep the movie at a reasonable length and also accessible enough to the mainstream public (at least the ones able to see R rated flicks...see rant above), who would not have gotten the whole squid thing.

Never understood everyone's problem with the 'awkward sex scenes'...it's fucking Nite Owl II were talking about, who is supposed to be kind of a shy and introverted schlub, not a porn star. I laughed. Pull the stick out of your asses.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 19:03
Tubatic
Just saw it.

I think I would have appreciated the death of Night Owl I as the reason for springing Rorshsch, instead of him feeling all manly and frisky after sex on a vigilante high.

I enjoyed the realization of the world, but the actress (maybe the character itself?) for Silk Spectre II was pretty horrible.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 19:48
manasteel88
@GuitarAtomik
I'm glad they are putting it in the super DVD when it comes out, but it doesn't exist if its not in the theatrical version. I also have been pretty positive in the review. I had to hear a bunch of needless complaints from the person who had just read the book. They were practical mind you, but needless. Like the complaint of Silk Specter II's costume and all sorts of stuff. Like I said it wasn't a bad movie. Its just not as good as what I wanted it to be. A C grade movie is something I'd recommend to anyone. It might not be the best they've seen, but it would be enjoyable.

@Poopface Morty
I agree that the sex scene was funny. and then it kept going. on and on. That's what made it awkward.

@Tubatic
The Silk Specter's both felt off. I don't dislike the actress, but she was too bouncy for me if that makes any sense.
Krow-Kupo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 21:08
Krow-Kupo
The formatting isn't so hard to fix, just hit delete/backspace at each of the lines that's fucking up.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 21:13
Aaron Mxy Yost
You need to re-read the graphic novel. You're misremembering quite a few things. Dan doesn't find out about Hollis's death until AFTER he's busted out Kovacs, when they're in the bar shaking down thugs for information on Viedt's assassination attempt. Nixon shows up in the book several times. The Doomsday Clock is mentioned specifically early on (in a paper on Viedt's desk), and its image is referenced repeatedly throughout the book (pretty much every clock in the series is set at five minutes to midnight). Incidently, the real clock has existed since 1947. Also, the book implies pretty clearly that Silk Spectre I felt at least partially responsible for her attempted rape; ie the flirting.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2009 23:58
manasteel88
@mxy

I do admit I need to read the novel again. Too bad I lent it to the person who hadn't read it after the movie. The Doomsday Clock however wasn't as pivotal a role as it was in the movie. In the movie that thing was set as a direct metaphor for the impending doomsday scenario. I clearly misremember how pivotal a role the thing had in the book. Specter I was kind of a stereotypical rape case. Just because she blames herself doesn't directly imply she was tempting him in the manner she did in the movie. I was confused with whether she wanted it or not.

I could be forgetting Night Owl I's death completely. That's something that I'd have to bust out the material and fact check if I had it in my possession. Either way they downplayed his role immensely in the film.

Also, they really expanded Nixon's role from background noise to a big figure. Maybe its because the Frost/Nixon thing was done much better but that just wasn't a good Nixon.
crackity jones's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2009 03:53
crackity jones
I freaking hated that the new ending blamed it all on Dr.Manhattan and that Night Owl didn't pussy out like a boss but instead raged.
The Pat Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2009 17:34
The Pat Man
Besides the obvious complaint about the drawn out sex scene and how Rorschach killed the kidnapper out of character (Night Owl II specifically said that he was more creative with his violence than just killing someone), my only complaint was the ending. Nobody seeing Rorchachs death and just assuming that he left felt more emotional to me than just having Night Owl watch, scream, then just go into a fit of rage. Also Dr. Manhattans talk with Ozymandius was better in my opinion than just giving some of the lines of that scene to other characters.

I did however like the little amount of fan service in the movie where the second Night Owls comic book costume was right next to the movie one in the basement. I read there was more than just that but that was the only one that I spotted.
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