Great article!!
A really interesting read for me as I rarely play games that have an anime/Japanese styling. I played (and loved) Time Stalkers on the Dreamcast... and I loved the gameplay and story (usual turn based battle type thing), but even with this game I had a hard time getting beyond the character styling.
I guess I have to admit to a bias against JRPG's mostly because I find the characters so young and the stories rather bland. I'm currently trying to make my way through White Knight Chronicles... but I may just give up. The game is fine, but doesn't hold my interest like a WRPG does. These games always sound so interesting when I read about them and reading blogs like this really makes me want to try them.. but yeah, personal bias works both ways I guess, and I just know I won't be able to get into the game.
A really interesting read for me as I rarely play games that have an anime/Japanese styling. I played (and loved) Time Stalkers on the Dreamcast... and I loved the gameplay and story (usual turn based battle type thing), but even with this game I had a hard time getting beyond the character styling.
I guess I have to admit to a bias against JRPG's mostly because I find the characters so young and the stories rather bland. I'm currently trying to make my way through White Knight Chronicles... but I may just give up. The game is fine, but doesn't hold my interest like a WRPG does. These games always sound so interesting when I read about them and reading blogs like this really makes me want to try them.. but yeah, personal bias works both ways I guess, and I just know I won't be able to get into the game.
Oddly, though it's not exactly a fault - the level of customization available in NIS games actually kind of shuts me down. I played around a little bit with Disgaea and Phantom Brave, mostly out of love for FFT. But at a certain point, there's just too much to do - each and every character class can be transformed into several higher versions of that character class, and then there are tameable monsters too, and the weapons and Item World, holy crap! There's a whole dungeon inside of every single item that you can conquer to power it up?
All of the options kind of send me into this OCD-ish spiral of "What should I do first? What's my best option for now? I can't advance in the story before doing all these things, or I'll be MISSING STUFF." And then I just put the game away and play something with less systems. :) But that said, I like NIS, I like the carefree nature and feel of the stories and characters, and the basic nature of the gameplay. I just can't hang. But I'll read a post about them any time. ^_^
All of the options kind of send me into this OCD-ish spiral of "What should I do first? What's my best option for now? I can't advance in the story before doing all these things, or I'll be MISSING STUFF." And then I just put the game away and play something with less systems. :) But that said, I like NIS, I like the carefree nature and feel of the stories and characters, and the basic nature of the gameplay. I just can't hang. But I'll read a post about them any time. ^_^
@elsa
Time Stalkers? Man, that's a game I haven't heard people talk about in a long time. Time Stalkers is pretty c-grade JPRG stock. Not bad mouthing the game, but if you loved that game you can potentially find a better game from that. I'd recommend FFXII which has a great feel, but the lead director had to resign due to health problems and they put in a fairly pointless 17 male lead character. If you look at the game as one about the intended lead, 36 year old Basch, you'll enjoy it much more.
The youth thing follows this Japanese ideal known as the "Springtime of Youth". It's this concept that there is only one stage of your life where anything that happens can define your perceptions of the world. Whether that be love, betrayal or any other theme. It kinda refers to the last moments of purity. It's why there is such a strong focus on high school age characters in manga, anime and games.
At some point it's living in the past and we all move on from this mindset, but that's the original idea behind such a strong push for teenage characters in JRPGs.
If I'm going to sell you on an SRPG that doesn't feel too anime-like with young characters, I'll push Final Fantasy Tactics. If you PSP game, there is a version for that. Otherwise it may get released on PSN. The game starts out with two friends at a young age, but then after the first chapter it jumps ahead a few years and you lead a charge against corruption. If you do, make sure to get the first one as the advance games tend to get a bit kiddy.
Otherwise Disgaea is pretty extreme with its personalities and a bit weak on the pacing of the stories for me to think it would keep you entirely interested. If you really love FFT, then swing by and check out Disgaea. This company is kinda like Atlus in that you never really start off playing their rpgs first. You play someone else's and if you fall in love, they will reward you ten fold.
I agree that WRPGs do have certain hooks in pacing that make them somewhat better than JRPGs, but I've been playing JRPGs since I was 12. WRPGs are fresh to me.
Time Stalkers? Man, that's a game I haven't heard people talk about in a long time. Time Stalkers is pretty c-grade JPRG stock. Not bad mouthing the game, but if you loved that game you can potentially find a better game from that. I'd recommend FFXII which has a great feel, but the lead director had to resign due to health problems and they put in a fairly pointless 17 male lead character. If you look at the game as one about the intended lead, 36 year old Basch, you'll enjoy it much more.
The youth thing follows this Japanese ideal known as the "Springtime of Youth". It's this concept that there is only one stage of your life where anything that happens can define your perceptions of the world. Whether that be love, betrayal or any other theme. It kinda refers to the last moments of purity. It's why there is such a strong focus on high school age characters in manga, anime and games.
At some point it's living in the past and we all move on from this mindset, but that's the original idea behind such a strong push for teenage characters in JRPGs.
If I'm going to sell you on an SRPG that doesn't feel too anime-like with young characters, I'll push Final Fantasy Tactics. If you PSP game, there is a version for that. Otherwise it may get released on PSN. The game starts out with two friends at a young age, but then after the first chapter it jumps ahead a few years and you lead a charge against corruption. If you do, make sure to get the first one as the advance games tend to get a bit kiddy.
Otherwise Disgaea is pretty extreme with its personalities and a bit weak on the pacing of the stories for me to think it would keep you entirely interested. If you really love FFT, then swing by and check out Disgaea. This company is kinda like Atlus in that you never really start off playing their rpgs first. You play someone else's and if you fall in love, they will reward you ten fold.
I agree that WRPGs do have certain hooks in pacing that make them somewhat better than JRPGs, but I've been playing JRPGs since I was 12. WRPGs are fresh to me.
@full damage
I do the same thing. I really kind of love them for it though. I get dissatisfied with many 10 or 12 hour games. If I finally get overwhelmed after 60+ hours of playing Disgaea, I still think the game is well worth the investment. I can come back and chip away at a few hours here and there every once in a while. I can't really do that in any other genre or any other game. It's really amazing in that regard.
I do the same thing. I really kind of love them for it though. I get dissatisfied with many 10 or 12 hour games. If I finally get overwhelmed after 60+ hours of playing Disgaea, I still think the game is well worth the investment. I can come back and chip away at a few hours here and there every once in a while. I can't really do that in any other genre or any other game. It's really amazing in that regard.
Great write up, I was actually going to write my own Bias article in regards to ATLUS. NIS makes some great niche games and it's unfortunate that more people don't know about them or give them a second thought.
Great for collectors though because NIS games typically hold their value much, much better than other larger companies.
Great for collectors though because NIS games typically hold their value much, much better than other larger companies.
Fantastic read, sir! Maybe one of these days I'll get around to playing Disgaea 3, which I bought, played once, and found pretty overwhelming(lol).
I'm chugging through the epilogue of Disgaea 3. I think I've dropped 80 hours or so in just faffing about in item and class worlds.
It's a dangerous thing being even slightly obsessive compulsive or a completionist with these games.
It's a dangerous thing being even slightly obsessive compulsive or a completionist with these games.
Fantastic Article. Keep it up, Dood!
@Elsa
I have the same kind of bias with WRPGS. It gets to be more about wandering around and I lose interest. :/ I try, but even with Dragonage. I jumped right in for the characters got close to whom I wanted and preceded to lose interest.
@Elsa
I have the same kind of bias with WRPGS. It gets to be more about wandering around and I lose interest. :/ I try, but even with Dragonage. I jumped right in for the characters got close to whom I wanted and preceded to lose interest.
Great to read an article about a company which caters to a smaller demographic: while I tend to appreciate them more for what they localize than what they develop themselves, I certainly hope they hang around and keep bringing interesting stuff our way. Off to the side, have you tried Trinity Universe yet? You sort of have to be enough of a geek to be "into" this sort of thing to truly enjoy it, but since I am once of those people I'm having fun despite some rough edges.
Awesome article! My NISA thoughts pretty much echo yours... and you reminded me that I need to get Soul Nomad.
@Chilly
I've found that any NIS game hits a $20 price point. If you find it higher or lower, then you have to gauge your interest, but most NIS games do hit that threshold. Like I said above I found Phantom Brave at that price point, I found Soul Nomad at that price point, Makai Kingdom at that price point, and I know Disgaea 3 is 19.99 at NIS's own store.
Do the Atlus piece, as Atlus has way more history than NIS does. I just chose NIS since I'm more familiar with them.
@Mourning Orange
Play some more Disgaea 3. The main thing to get from these games is the quirky humor. The grinding is partially mandatory, but sometimes you just need to sit back and laugh at the weirdness.
@IEM
Have you tried the DLC yet? I was originally put off on Disgaea 3's $50 worth of DLC until I found out it's all post game content. That quelled any fears of cutting and splicing as everything you can buy is in the post game.
@Angeleena
Thanks, Dood!
@Bullet
I had started this article early in the month, with some vague thoughts on what I wanted to say. Good ideas and bad ideas were dropped to the side to form what you see above. In doing so I really had an argument whether I really liked NIS America for what they bring us, or just NIS Japan for the SRPGs that I love. I love NIS for the things it has localized. Some Atlus games are hit or miss for me sometimes, but NIS usually has something that intrigues me. Both branches have their ups and downs, but I figured I should just make it one cohesive argument.
I haven't played any of the PS3 NIS games as I just got my PS3 a month ago. It was either one NIS game, or Uncharted, MGS4, Folklore and Valkyria Chronicles. Unfortunately for the little guy, 4 sounded better than 1.
From impressions, I've heard the tutorial is a bit much, but the game is a step up from Cross Edge. I really need to get into the gust games before I jump into this one. In reality, I'll probably face Disgaea 3 before I jump into these crossover games.
@Cleaning
Soul Nomad is surprisingly good and is unfortunately persistent at $30 new (you should be able to find a Gamestop with a copy). I found my copy at a Game Crazy closing on discount. Soon as I saw it, I was sold.
The only issue I've found is that I can't seem to really grasp the Gig Edicts. Gig's kind of evil and you have to use his powers to get better things (similar to bribes in Disgaea). It kinda goes against my nice guy perspective in games, but its really nothing that detracts from the game.
I've found that any NIS game hits a $20 price point. If you find it higher or lower, then you have to gauge your interest, but most NIS games do hit that threshold. Like I said above I found Phantom Brave at that price point, I found Soul Nomad at that price point, Makai Kingdom at that price point, and I know Disgaea 3 is 19.99 at NIS's own store.
Do the Atlus piece, as Atlus has way more history than NIS does. I just chose NIS since I'm more familiar with them.
@Mourning Orange
Play some more Disgaea 3. The main thing to get from these games is the quirky humor. The grinding is partially mandatory, but sometimes you just need to sit back and laugh at the weirdness.
@IEM
Have you tried the DLC yet? I was originally put off on Disgaea 3's $50 worth of DLC until I found out it's all post game content. That quelled any fears of cutting and splicing as everything you can buy is in the post game.
@Angeleena
Thanks, Dood!
@Bullet
I had started this article early in the month, with some vague thoughts on what I wanted to say. Good ideas and bad ideas were dropped to the side to form what you see above. In doing so I really had an argument whether I really liked NIS America for what they bring us, or just NIS Japan for the SRPGs that I love. I love NIS for the things it has localized. Some Atlus games are hit or miss for me sometimes, but NIS usually has something that intrigues me. Both branches have their ups and downs, but I figured I should just make it one cohesive argument.
I haven't played any of the PS3 NIS games as I just got my PS3 a month ago. It was either one NIS game, or Uncharted, MGS4, Folklore and Valkyria Chronicles. Unfortunately for the little guy, 4 sounded better than 1.
From impressions, I've heard the tutorial is a bit much, but the game is a step up from Cross Edge. I really need to get into the gust games before I jump into this one. In reality, I'll probably face Disgaea 3 before I jump into these crossover games.
@Cleaning
Soul Nomad is surprisingly good and is unfortunately persistent at $30 new (you should be able to find a Gamestop with a copy). I found my copy at a Game Crazy closing on discount. Soon as I saw it, I was sold.
The only issue I've found is that I can't seem to really grasp the Gig Edicts. Gig's kind of evil and you have to use his powers to get better things (similar to bribes in Disgaea). It kinda goes against my nice guy perspective in games, but its really nothing that detracts from the game.
Disgaea for PSP (hooray for portability and being able to pause indefinitely in the item world) was the first console or handheld game I'd ever put over 100 hours into, and it was glorious. The video you linked to above also shows me just how little of the game I'd actually played, even though I beat it. I think I only got my magicks up to giga, not tera.
I started Disgaea 2, but I haven't reached that "critical mass" where my characters suddenly start to be able to really take care of themselves. I remember once I hit that point in Disgaea, I couldn't stop with the leveling, rebirthing, etc.. Gotta get on that. Need a new time vampire.
I started Disgaea 2, but I haven't reached that "critical mass" where my characters suddenly start to be able to really take care of themselves. I remember once I hit that point in Disgaea, I couldn't stop with the leveling, rebirthing, etc.. Gotta get on that. Need a new time vampire.
@knutaf
I haven't picked up the portables, but from playing FFTA2 I've found that its just easier to play this genre as a portable.
I haven't picked up the portables, but from playing FFTA2 I've found that its just easier to play this genre as a portable.
I certainly won't criticize you for that particular decision, especially when Folklore and Valkyria are involved. I also won't get on your case for wanting to first play more Gust stuff, some of which are my personal favorites (as you could probably tell from my write-ups on Ar Tonelico II and Atelier Annie) - here's hoping that more is to come our way after Rorona and Tonelico III.
Good article, and I love NIS too. Been a fan since disgaea as well.
rant
Couldn't get into Soul Nomad as much as I tried. The fact that the whole group takes on the properties of the leader kinda killed it for me. I mean, what's the point of a mixed group? I know I'm exaggerating a bit, but it urked me enough to stop playing :/
/rant
rant
Couldn't get into Soul Nomad as much as I tried. The fact that the whole group takes on the properties of the leader kinda killed it for me. I mean, what's the point of a mixed group? I know I'm exaggerating a bit, but it urked me enough to stop playing :/
/rant
@bullet
I have Atelier Iris 2 sitting on top of my massive PS2 JRPG pile begging for me to start it. As for Ar Tonelico, I have it in my goozex list, but I kinda feel like blowing it off and starting with Qoga. If I like that game then hopefully the collectors will be relinquishing their copies of 1 and 2 for a cheaper rate. My massive JRPG backlog is the #1 reason I hate that my PS3 isn't Backwards Compatible.
@insanity
The mixing of the groups puts is geared towards a stat attribute situation. A mixed group is an even group while a group of all fighters is strong offensively.
I won't get on you for any of that as I stated above that I have an irrational fear of throwing in Disgaea. So those levels that demand throwing are the hardest ones for me.
I have Atelier Iris 2 sitting on top of my massive PS2 JRPG pile begging for me to start it. As for Ar Tonelico, I have it in my goozex list, but I kinda feel like blowing it off and starting with Qoga. If I like that game then hopefully the collectors will be relinquishing their copies of 1 and 2 for a cheaper rate. My massive JRPG backlog is the #1 reason I hate that my PS3 isn't Backwards Compatible.
@insanity
The mixing of the groups puts is geared towards a stat attribute situation. A mixed group is an even group while a group of all fighters is strong offensively.
I won't get on you for any of that as I stated above that I have an irrational fear of throwing in Disgaea. So those levels that demand throwing are the hardest ones for me.
I have played so few of those games. Am I doing it wrong Steel? Am I living life wrong?
Honestly, you and the prinnies are a kick for me to expand my horizons.
Honestly, you and the prinnies are a kick for me to expand my horizons.
@beyamor
Real quick answer to your questions...yes.
Disgaea games are just fun. You probably won't beat them (kinda like any Atlus game), but you'll have a good time with how over the top the stories are.
As a side note: I have to say that in re-examining this, I didn't even get around to Rhapsody and its amazingly awful musical numbers. I'm mean its just soooo bad, its really quite fun.
Real quick answer to your questions...yes.
Disgaea games are just fun. You probably won't beat them (kinda like any Atlus game), but you'll have a good time with how over the top the stories are.
As a side note: I have to say that in re-examining this, I didn't even get around to Rhapsody and its amazingly awful musical numbers. I'm mean its just soooo bad, its really quite fun.
Love your article. I'm also a big fan of NIS and so is my girlfriend. She was hooked on a Witches Tale for DS. I loved Disgea, LaPucelle, and Makai. I've been playing Trinity Universe and Hyperdimesion Neptunia (what I consider the New Vegas of NIS games). Anyway, it's the only company I regularly support.

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