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People will still buy the new console to play Zelda or Mario. New consumers will buy it so Dad can use the web browsing and tablet features and the kids can play games on the thing.
I don't think they'll bring back the hardcore gamer with this console - but they'll buy it as a second console - which still translates to sales.
I don't think they'll bring back the hardcore gamer with this console - but they'll buy it as a second console - which still translates to sales.
@Elsa: Dad probably have and iPad for web browsing I think. But yeah, core gamers will buy it for Zelda, Mario and fond childhood memories.
@elsa
My issue is, does dad already have a 2nd console or an iPod/iPad? The PS3 has positioned itself as a good entertainment machine and the 360 is a great games machine. I don't doubt that HD Zelda will have people's hearts explode in awesome, but I doubt that this will gain serious traction over multi-console owners. At this point in the game we're starting to see people migrate in to a second console if they are serious enough about gaming. That's today.
I just don't see how Nintendo will have a leg after this presentation. It's brilliant that they are saying to just keep your wiimotes and we'll give you this on the side. However, I just don't see the it factor. The controller looks breakable and if you're buying this for your kids, well lets just say people shouldn't buy iPads for the clumsiest demographics. There isn't any real way Nintendo can price those pads under $150. Console should clock in at about 300-350.
Nintendo won't be able to nudge out Microsoft in the online front or the price. The controller is ideal, but like I said, Sony can render that moot with their new handheld. I just don't see what they are trying to do with this console so late in the cycle. I also don't see who is going to look at this thing and understand it's applications. My mom can waggle a wiimote, but can she navigate this multi screen interface? I'm not positive.
My issue is, does dad already have a 2nd console or an iPod/iPad? The PS3 has positioned itself as a good entertainment machine and the 360 is a great games machine. I don't doubt that HD Zelda will have people's hearts explode in awesome, but I doubt that this will gain serious traction over multi-console owners. At this point in the game we're starting to see people migrate in to a second console if they are serious enough about gaming. That's today.
I just don't see how Nintendo will have a leg after this presentation. It's brilliant that they are saying to just keep your wiimotes and we'll give you this on the side. However, I just don't see the it factor. The controller looks breakable and if you're buying this for your kids, well lets just say people shouldn't buy iPads for the clumsiest demographics. There isn't any real way Nintendo can price those pads under $150. Console should clock in at about 300-350.
Nintendo won't be able to nudge out Microsoft in the online front or the price. The controller is ideal, but like I said, Sony can render that moot with their new handheld. I just don't see what they are trying to do with this console so late in the cycle. I also don't see who is going to look at this thing and understand it's applications. My mom can waggle a wiimote, but can she navigate this multi screen interface? I'm not positive.
.. actually a lot of people don't have an iPad yet...and if the primary use is going to be simple web browsing, then this is a viable alternative (it's especially easy for older folks to catch on to... my Mom hated using a computer but she LOVES her iPad. The touch tech is just easier to understand than the mouse for some older folks).
... kinda like how playing DVD's sold the Playstation - many people already had DVD players, but for those that didn't it was dual purpose (or it provided an extra player in the house)
... kinda like how playing DVD's sold the Playstation - many people already had DVD players, but for those that didn't it was dual purpose (or it provided an extra player in the house)
I'm sad there's no GC support. I'd hate to have two white boxes sitting around most of the year until a Mario or Zelda game arrives...
Well, the thing using the Vita for the same effect is that you're still... huh... I guess a Vita would be less than the total price of a Wii U. Hmm.
I think what the Wii U does, as opposed to the previous console cycle transition, is tack a palpable extension onto this current console generation.
If the rumors are to be believed that this platform will be porting friendly and is generally friendly to current console horsepower. It opens the doors to lazy ports, which isn't great. but, it allows a developer to work with the same engines and architecture they already have. If UbiSoft wants to hand a B team the Assassins Creed engine and have them make some wacked out side story, its not going to take creating a whole new structure. Producers, artists, dev support, go nuts. Less overhead, without compromising current gen standards of quality.
Now, I don't know what the next gen holds for graphics... but the stuff we have now just doesn't look bad at this point. And considering how huge the development staffs are for this current generation, I don't think anyone is really looking forward, from a business standpoint, to a huge bump in visual fidelity. Considering the economics of building and even larger team to match the console jump and considering the graphical return on investment, which I personally think will be sort of negligible.
I think, as the economy starts to get itself righted, Wii U is going to offer a platform for lowend AAA and sub AAA developers that put alot of work into the current generation's groundwork.
I think what the Wii U does, as opposed to the previous console cycle transition, is tack a palpable extension onto this current console generation.
If the rumors are to be believed that this platform will be porting friendly and is generally friendly to current console horsepower. It opens the doors to lazy ports, which isn't great. but, it allows a developer to work with the same engines and architecture they already have. If UbiSoft wants to hand a B team the Assassins Creed engine and have them make some wacked out side story, its not going to take creating a whole new structure. Producers, artists, dev support, go nuts. Less overhead, without compromising current gen standards of quality.
Now, I don't know what the next gen holds for graphics... but the stuff we have now just doesn't look bad at this point. And considering how huge the development staffs are for this current generation, I don't think anyone is really looking forward, from a business standpoint, to a huge bump in visual fidelity. Considering the economics of building and even larger team to match the console jump and considering the graphical return on investment, which I personally think will be sort of negligible.
I think, as the economy starts to get itself righted, Wii U is going to offer a platform for lowend AAA and sub AAA developers that put alot of work into the current generation's groundwork.
@Elsa
I just don't think Nintendo has the infrastructure to make the Wii U an iPad competitor in a household. Especially when they want to assure people that this isn't a portable.
@Tubatic
I get what you're saying, but at the end of the day, if I want to play these high end games I've already got an Xbox or a PS3. That's a huge wall people will have to clear. I get that Nintendo has now made a console that people can port to, but the Gamecube did that and it still got trounced. The console is missing the it factor that will have people running to it.
There will be adopters, but right now they are very late in to the HD console war and the thing isn't even shipping for a year. This conference didn't wow in the right places. Not enough to change the perception that Nintendo needed.
I'm just saying, Nintendo didn't show me why I would buy this system to play Battlefield 3. They just told me it was coming to it.
There is a concept in my mind of how to do some cool things, but I want to see what Nintendo has for me before I reach for my wallet. Because after the Wii, I can't just rely on faith for Nintendo anymore.
I just don't think Nintendo has the infrastructure to make the Wii U an iPad competitor in a household. Especially when they want to assure people that this isn't a portable.
@Tubatic
I get what you're saying, but at the end of the day, if I want to play these high end games I've already got an Xbox or a PS3. That's a huge wall people will have to clear. I get that Nintendo has now made a console that people can port to, but the Gamecube did that and it still got trounced. The console is missing the it factor that will have people running to it.
There will be adopters, but right now they are very late in to the HD console war and the thing isn't even shipping for a year. This conference didn't wow in the right places. Not enough to change the perception that Nintendo needed.
I'm just saying, Nintendo didn't show me why I would buy this system to play Battlefield 3. They just told me it was coming to it.
There is a concept in my mind of how to do some cool things, but I want to see what Nintendo has for me before I reach for my wallet. Because after the Wii, I can't just rely on faith for Nintendo anymore.
They really dropped the ball by pretty much not showing any Wii games aside from Zelda. Considering Wii U is pretty much at least a year away, they're gonna need to keep releasing more Wii games and while we do know of a few more quality wii games still to come, not mentioning any of them at all at the conference is mind boggling to me, especially compared with what we got last year.
I still love my Wii, still supporting and it, and still have plenty more games i still need to get for it but many of nintendo's decisions just make wonder WHY?
I still love my Wii, still supporting and it, and still have plenty more games i still need to get for it but many of nintendo's decisions just make wonder WHY?
I totally agree. I (try to) love all of my consoles the same, but I was crossing my fingers in hopes that until next holiday they had SOMETHING besides Zelda: Skyward Sword because, honestly, that game just looks silly. It doesn't look anywhere near as epic as Ocarina of Time.
But then there was nothing! Not even a word of the Wii during the press conference. So, I checked out that e3.nintendo.com site they toted during the show and, low and behold, there ARE new Wii games coming out this fall. They aren't all necessarily GOOD (there is a new Kirby, Mario Party, etc.), but new games besides Skyward Sword nonetheless. Why were these not even mentioned?
The other terrible part is that I have been wanting that remastered Ocarina of Time 3D game for months now, but it alone doesn't warrant a $250 purchase. SoI thought maybe we would see something to help with that, and nope. I want Luigi's Mansion 2; it is supposed to be really good. But most websites and previews say that Kid Icarus was awful, and that the other games were kind of "meh".
I guess we might have to start moving on from our childhood memories of Nintendo. :/
But then there was nothing! Not even a word of the Wii during the press conference. So, I checked out that e3.nintendo.com site they toted during the show and, low and behold, there ARE new Wii games coming out this fall. They aren't all necessarily GOOD (there is a new Kirby, Mario Party, etc.), but new games besides Skyward Sword nonetheless. Why were these not even mentioned?
The other terrible part is that I have been wanting that remastered Ocarina of Time 3D game for months now, but it alone doesn't warrant a $250 purchase. SoI thought maybe we would see something to help with that, and nope. I want Luigi's Mansion 2; it is supposed to be really good. But most websites and previews say that Kid Icarus was awful, and that the other games were kind of "meh".
I guess we might have to start moving on from our childhood memories of Nintendo. :/
