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Favorite Games:

Mega Man series (This includes the Original Sub-Series and the X Sub-Series. I have no interest in any of the EXE/Network games, and I have little experience with Zero and ZX. Zero and ZX seem cool, but I just haven't played them that much yet.)
Zelda series
Final Fantasy series (2j, 8, and 12 are terrible though. No interest in 11 or the Crystal Chronicles Sub-Series)
Starcraft (!) (stay tuned for SC2!)
Warcraft series (Yes I played WoW for a while, but I prefer the RTS's)
Super Mario series (this includes all the Mario side-games like Kart, Tennis, Smash Bros.)
Paradox Grand Strategy Series (Europa Universalis, Hearts of Iron, Crusader Kings, VICTORIA, etc.)
Civilization series
Galactic Civilizations 2 (and expansions)
Total War series (I'm still divided on the last two though. They seemed so much more.. arcade-y than STW and MTW)
Street Fighter series (especially Street Fighter Alpha 3)
Castlevania series (but not the 3d ones.. they're all terrible)
Ninja Gaiden (The NES ones! The new ones are good too, though!)

Basically, I like strategy games, some fighting games, RPG's, and old school platformers. I like JRPG's less and less though. I play some FPS's, but I wouldn't say any of them are favorites of mine.

Other games I play often:
Devil May Cry series
Guilty Gear series
Time Crisis (I actually own TC 1, 2, 3, and Crisis Zone for the PS/PS2)
Shinobi series
God of War (Only played the first, but I'm guessing the others are sweet too)
Streets of Rage series (Where is a modern beat'em'up when you need one?)
Following (2)  

I'm a long-time fan of Paradox's games.  Ever since I discovered Europa Univeralis (EU hereafter) 2 about 11- years ago, I've been obsessed.  I've shoveled time into the likes of Victoria, Victoria 2, CK2, and EU3.  So, as a long-time fan of Paradox, how do I feel about their new game?

Simply put, this game is great.  It takes EU3 and improves upon it in every fashion.  They streamlined almost everything (especially the UI) and made the strategic choices -much- more clear pretty much across the board.

Let me give you an example here.  In previous EU games, diplomacy was easy to game.  Give a country a lot of money when you need them; ignore them otherwise.  Make alliances just before starting a war and avoid going to war for your allies.  Then.. well.. re-ally with them once their war ends.  Sure, they're a bit upset, but you can take care of that with a little bit of cash and a royal marriage.

EU4 changes all of this.  You have a limit on the number of diplomatic relations you can have.  You have a limit on the number of diplomats you have.  You can only improve relations (no cash involved) up to a certain level.  If you fail to show up for an ally's war, they -will- remember it for years.  Do it twice, and you'll probably no longer be a serious choice as an ally anymore for said country.  Simply put, you can't just do what you want with diplomacy anymore.  They've clarified and reinforced the strategic element.  You need to carefully consider your options and stick with your plans.

In a game as Ireland, for example, I fought dozens of wars for my ally France.  I decided to skip out once, because of domestic issues, but I found France no longer willing to ally with me.  I was then obliterated by the UK, which no longer had any worry about going after me.  I reloaded and fought that hard war for France, but they stuck by me in recompense.  These are hard choices, but they are important choices.

This approach colors the entire sequel.  The monarch power system, which replaces the old sliders, tech, and ideas, is all about creating hard but important choices.  Do I get that awesome military idea, or do I stay level with everyone else's tech?  Do I expand my empire, or do I keep my administrative tech up to date?  Do I build a bunch of tax/production buildings, or do I increase my stability?  Again, EUIV highlights strategic choices above all else.  The monarch power system is a harsh, unforgiving system, but it highlights the importance of the choices you make as a player.

The trade system is also entirely different than the trade system in EU3.  I won't go into much detail here, but, suffice to say, it works very well.  You actually feel like you're making a trade network, rather than just playing Center of Trade whack-a-mole.  The new trade system depends strongly on sending fleets of light ships to "Protect Trade" in different trade nodes.  This creates an interesting new dynamic, where you need light ships to sustain your trade network but heavy ships to protect your light ships in war.  Managing the ratio here is another example of the strategic choices the game gives you.  It also means that war can be disastrous for your income, as any unprotected light ship fleets may need to head into port.  You can also embargo other countries in order to hurt their trade in nodes where you have the trade power to do so.  However, doing so will create a casus belli as well as massive negative relations with said country.  The result is that the trade system feels closely tied to the diplomatic elements of the game, highlighting the strategic importance of the decisions you make diplomatically and economically.

There are plenty of other differences as well.  The AI is much better at fighting wars.  Coring, diplo-annexation, religious conversion, and cultural conversion are all very different.  They are tied more to other systems in the game and are much less dependent on chance.  In every case, you actually have a progress meter, and you can tell, rather easily, what is impacting said progress in one way or the other.  In EU3, by contrast, random numbers dictated most of these elements. 

There are loads of other differences, but I won't go into every single one.  I'm just trying to give a sense of how the game generally plays.  The truth is that Paradox has really hit the ball out of the park here.  The game feels much richer than EU3 ever did, and everything just slots together nicely.  In some ways, EU3 felt almost too.. disconnected from its game mechanics.  Many of the mechanics were relatively easy to maximize, and they didn't connect to each other in clear, important ways.  EUIV has definitely placed game mechanics and interoperability to the front, which does a lot to make the game fun.  It also does a much better job introducing and explaining itself, though a true noob will probably still want to check out some guides.

Are there problems with EUIV?  Certainly.  The game has a few technical issues (most of which I haven't seen myself but have seen evidence of), and the balance is a little off.  Light ships are a bit overpowered as is, and, at times, it feels like the monarch points system is a bit too disconnected from the other mechanics.  However, all in all, we have a great start to a great game.  It's easily amongst the best games "at release" in Paradox's history (alongside CK2), and I highly recommend it for any fans of the series.

The following piece is neither thorough nor polished. Essentially, over at Brad Hates Games, there was some discussion about the importance of Shining Force for the Japanese strategy RPG genre. I argued that Fire Emblem was more central (outside of the U.S., I mean, where Shining Force was one of the few games in the genre to get released), but I decided to look more into this. What are the roots of strategy RPGs? Why are they called "simulation" RPGs in Japan?

Here's what I've found!

First, if there was any question, I looked into Japanese sales figures for Fire Emblem versus Shining Force. Though I can't find -anything- about the first two Fire Emblem games' sales figures other than vague statements, Famitsu seems to put the third Fire Emblem game, for the Super Famicom, at about 700-750,000 sales in Japan. Shining Force 1-3 all see about 100-200,000 sales each. The clear winner here is Fire Emblem.

However, the truth is more complicated. It turns out that, while Fire Emblem was almost certainly central in the genre's early days, that it probably wasn't the key game for the genre. In order to get beyond simple sales figures, I decided to try to track the roots of influence for "major" games in the genre.

First off, since we're already talking about it, what about Shining Force? Shining Force’s creator Hiroyuki Takahashi seems to have played Fire Emblem but directly rejected it as a major inspiration. He criticized the game's pacing and cites the older real-time strategy game Silver Ghost as a more central influence on the strategy aspects. Perhaps more importantly, for the narrative I develop below, he essentially says that the goal was to clone Dragon Quest but make the battles more fun. On one hand, this seems absurd, as the two games seem to have much in common. In fact, of the first couple generations of strategy RPGs, I'd say Shining Force and Fire Emblem share more in terms of interface and basic setup than most other games in the genre. On the other, Shining Force does have some major differences with its peers. The ability to explore towns, for example, and the world map both set this game apart. In fact, neither option has ever really become standardized in the genre. This may add meaning to his claim to be copying Dragon Quest more than Fire Emblem.

In terms of other series, I've had some trouble tracking influences. I can't really find much for Disgaea or Vandal Hearts, for example. However, I have found some interesting information about Yasumi Matsuno's (creator of Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre/Final Fantasy Tactics) influences. Considering that Tactics Ogre (which is in the Japan's Top 10 Games of All Time according to Famitsu) and Final Fantasy Tactics are perhaps the two most important games in the genre, I think this is particularly notable. For his part, Matsuno also fails to cite Fire Emblem as an inspiration. He cites Master of Monsters, another early strategy with RPG elements. Interestingly enough, Master of Monsters is from SystemSoft, which also made Daisenryaku. For those unaware, Daisenryaku is an early Japanese computer wargame with a close attention to detail. It was central in the early days of Japanese wargaming, and the series still survives to this day. Why is this important? Well, not only did Matsuno directly cite Master of Monsters, which was sort of a fantasy Daisenryaku, as an influence, but Quest, the company he worked at, actually started by porting Daisenryaku to the Famicom. Needless to say, there's a strong connection between SystemSoft's work and Quest's own.

However, Daisenryaku's influence does not end there. It also served as a major.. *ahem* inspiration for one of Nintendo's own titles: Famicom Wars. If you aren't familiar with the series, you're probably familiar with its Game Boy Advance sub-series Advance Wars. Not only is this notable in its own right, but Famicom Wars developer Intelligent Systems (owned by Nintendo) would later take the Famicom Wars structure, add RPG elements and a fantasy setting and make... Fire Emblem.

There's more Daisenryaku's influence. The “10 unit” health standard established by Daisenryaku (and which was also used by Famicom Wars/Advance Wars and Military Madness/Nectaris) was also used by Langrisser, another prominent early simulation-RPG in Japan. This "10 unit" standard I refer to represents games where all units have 10 total hit points. The variance between units takes place in attack and defense values rather than hit points, and each hit point corresponds with a unit-within-a-unit. This means that, if your tank or soldier unit has 9 instead of 10 hit points, they can only inflict 9 damage maximum instead of 10. With this mechanic, the Langrisser games tend to feel closer to Famicom Wars and Military Madness than to the JRPGs of the era. For example, it's the only simulation game with RPG elements to keep this Daisenryaku-sourced 10 unit health standard. Fire Emblem, Master of Monsters, and the Ogre series all took a less standardized approach. This is probably because of Langrisser's use of both generic and non-generic RPG-like units. In any case, the fingerprints of Daisenryaku and the early simulation-RPGs are all over Langrisser, adding to Daisenryaku's importance. Langrisser also utilized the permanent death mechanic pioneered by Fire Emblem but that's neither here nor there.

In a weird way, the breakthrough game for the console fantasy strategy-RPG genre was not a console game, a fantasy, or an RPG. Daisenryaku influenced Famicom Wars and then Fire Emblem; Master of Monsters and then Ogre Battle, Tactics Ogre, and Final Fantasy Tactics; and almost certainly played a direct or indirect role for Langrisser. From this perspective, I think I finally understand why strategy RPGs are often called “simulation” games in Japan: because they’re directly descended from, essentially, hardcore computer wargames.

For its part, Shining Force comes across, in some ways, as quite a bit different. It’s not really built on Daisenryaku in any but the most indirect way. You can explore towns, you have a world map, there’s more of an emphasis on RPG mechanics and tendencies, and terrain, IIRC, only effects mobility. In almost all of these other games, terrain directly impacts combat capability, which is almost certainly a holdover from the military sim sources of the genre. The only thing that tempers my view on this is that Fire Emblem Gaiden, the second game in the series, also had explorable towns and a world map. Oddly enough, Fire Emblem Gaiden came out the same week as Shining Force! However, that was basically seen as sacrilege among the Fire Emblem faithful, and town exploration has yet to return to Fire Emblem.

If anyone has additional information to add here, such as the influences of the creators of Disgaea or other prominent strategy RPGs/simulation RPGs, feel free to post. I'm particularly interested in direct quotes, although obvious mechanical similarities could be interesting as well. Also, if anyone disagrees with the story above or has more information on these series, please enter the conversation. I haven't exactly done a great or thorough job here, but I think what I've discovered is somewhat interesting.

Companies Discussed Above, Their Relevant Games, and Relevant Release Dates
SystemSoft: Daisenryaku (Genda Daisenryaku: 1985, Famicom Daisenryaku port by Quest: 1988), Master of Monsters (1991)
Enix: Dragon Quest (1986)
Intelligent Systems: Famicom Wars (1988), Fire Emblem (1990), Fire Emblem Gaiden (1992, same week as Shining Force I), Fire Emblem Monshō no Nazo (1994).
Quest: Famicom Daisenryaku port (1988), Ogre Battle (1993), Tactics Ogre (1995). Also, major talent associated with Quest went on to make Final Fantasy Tactics for Square in 1997.
CareerSoft: Langrisser (1991). They were also responsible for the older, related turn-based tactics series Elthlead (Original: 1988). However, that series is fairly different and not as obviously related to any other strategy or simulation series.
Climax Entertainment: Shining Force (1992), co-developed with Camelot Software Planning
Camelot Software Planning: Shining Force (1992, same week as Fire Emblem Gaiden), Shining Force II (1993), Shining Force III (1997)


Daisenryaku (Pictures actually of 1986's Daisenryaku 88)
Dragon Quest

Famicom Wars
Famicom Daisenryaku port

Fire Emblem


Shining Force I
Fire Emblem Gaiden
Shining Force II
Ogre Battle
Fire Emblem Monshō no Nazo

Tactics Ogre
Final Fantasy Tactics
Shining Force III

All pictures from MobyGames.
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There's been a long road up until this point. We've covered the brokenness of Final Fantasy 2 (11th place). We've covered the problems that held FF8 and FF12 back (9th place). We have discussed the original Final Fantasy and its role in JRPG history (8th place). In the last two articles, we broke down the "solid core" of the FF series, with FF3 and FF9 tied for 6th place, and FF5 and FF10 tied for 4th place.

Here we are folks. I am about to reveal the two games tied for 2nd place. In addition, if you are remotely capable, you will be able to figure out the best FF ever as well. Of course, that will be discussed in its own entry, but this is it folks. FINAL RANKASY 2012: THE TOP THREE REVEALED!!!

So what's second place? What's getting held back for best of the series?


Tier 2, Review Score: 9.5
Final Fantasy 4 and 7

Final Fantasy 4 (SNES), 1991

In previous articles, I discussed how FF3 and FF5 chose "gameplay" in the eternal struggle between gameplay and narrative. FF4, however, chose narrative. Fo realz.

Sure, for today's jaded, spoiled gamers (when I was your age...), FF4's story may not seem particularly awesome or well done. The presentation capabilities of the era were constrained (understatement of the year), and the story may seem sort of.. commonplace. In a lot of ways, FF4's story is a generic JRPG story as of 2012.

However, let me take you back over TWENTY YEARS to 1991. Now, all of a sudden, FF4 doesn't seem commonplace. It seems -revolutionary-. Literally, JRPGs just -did- -not- -have- -good- -stories- back then. They didn't even really try! In the Final Fantasy series, FF2 is the only game that gave a half hearted effort. Yeah, that's right. FF2. You might remember it as ranking dead last on this very list. Yeah, like I said, the stories just weren't very good. In fact, the only JRPG I can even think of with a half decent story at this point was probably Phantasy Star II for the Genesis.

In comes FF4, and, boom, we're talking just a different set of expectations. The characters had story arcs, in which they developed, changed, and became different characters. They also had backgrounds, motives, families, friends, hometowns, histories, relationships, and jealousies. Many characters we got to see redeemed, but, in the process, many others were lost. There were so many touching moments in this game, that it's hard to even talk about them competently. SPOILERS: there's when Cecil rids himself of his dark powers.. or or when Cid bombs himself to close the entrance to the underworld.. or or when Kain redeems himself.. or or SPOONY BARD /spoilers

Seriously. Good stuff. Great characters. Awesome.

Like all FF's before FF6, the story basically boiled down to "collect crystal, kill bad guy." However, it was the particulars of the story that really set it side from the competition. It was the development and time given to a (rather large and colorful) cast of characters, in which almost everyone had some time to shine. The game had some great twists, and you visited some utterly fantastic locations. Hell, from the word go, the cinematic approach with the opening scene.. phenomenal. This game knew how to sell itself, and it did a bang up job.

Up until FF6, FF4 easily has the best story and presentation in the series, and it's still a contender.. all these years later.

Outside of the narrative, the game still has a lot of great strengths. The dungeons are all made very well, and the battles are interesting. FF4 saw the introduction of the LEGENDARY Active Time Battle (ATB) system where turns were given a "real-time-esque" flavor, with the loading bars. It added a lot to the battles in the series, and it was used through FF10. I also like that you have relatively large parties, and I think the summoning system and the magic systems worked quite well. Also, most of the different classes had special abilities, which added a fun element to the battle system.

So, if it's so great, why not number 1?
Well, despite all of its strengths in terms of narrative and presentation, FF4 ain't perfect. More than anything else, I think its progression system just pales in comparison with its immediate predecessor (FF3) and successor (FF5). In those games, you had the HOLY AWESOME job system, while in FF4.. well.. you level. And you occasionally can do more things. That's pretty much the progression system. There's really no party member customization here. In fact, in the original release, you couldn't even really pick -who- would be in your party. You were basically straightjacketed into doing things pretty much how the developers anticipated. I believe the re-releases (starting with the GBA version) have added some ability to select party members for the end-game, but I haven't played them.

All in all, FF4 is a phenomenal game. It revolutionized JRPG narrative; introduced the ATB system; had large parties of classes with unique abilities; had fun dungeons, solid town exploration, and interesting areas; and it had a large and fun cast of characters. However, the lack of an interesting progression system or any real form of party customization definitely hit FF4 in the stomach.

Still, to be fair, that's not the real reason FF4 isn't number one. The real reason is because the actual #1 game is just too God Damn great. FF4 is awesome. If you haven't played it.. go play it. Right now. I'll wait here.

Final Fantasy 7 (PSX), 1997

Let me get this out of the way immediately: Final Fantasy 7 is overrated.

There. I said it. FF7 is an overrated game. It is routinely discussed as the the best JRPG of all time or the best FF game of all time or the best PSX game. Because of its popularity, FF7 is basically its own brand. There's a movie, a shooter game, a prequel action RPG, a cell phone prequel and much, much more. There are people out there who probably think FF7 is Final Fantasy and vice versa.

However, FF7's overrated status has lead to a large reaction. Now, on gaming forums and blogs, "informed" gamers regularly crap on FF7. Ridiculous statements like "FF7 is teh worst evar" have become almost routine. Your view of FF7 is essentially a signal for whether or not you "actually" know JRPGs. Whether or not you actually have taste.

So.. to summarize: Final Fantasy 7 is simultaneously overrated (by the mass public) and underrated (by so-called hardcore gamers).

So why does it deserve second place?
I think there are four elements of FF7 that make it worthy of this high placement: Narrative presentation, large world, solid story, and solid gameplay mechanics.

1. Revolution in narrative presentation
Remember how I was just saying that FF4 revolutionized the JRPG story and narrative? Yeah, take that and multiply it by about 10 billion billion. Seriously, if FF4 kicked it up to 11, FF7 kicked it up to 11,000. Square took the PSX by the balls and made it its bitch. Hell, let me correct myself. It didn't just revolutionize JRPG narrative/story. It revolutionized video game narrative/story. Can you even think of a game that impressed you with its presentation before FF7? Sure, games like Ninja Gaiden for the NES were impressive, but FF7 went much further. It wasn't just cool for you to watch. It was the kind of thing where you want to show people who don't even play video games. "Look at this crazy ass shit!"

I'm sure that the TENS of THOUSANDS of people who will eventually read this are sitting there and stewing. "CINEMA?" they scream. "IN MY VIDEOGAEMZ?!! THE THOUGHT!" However, I want to clarify that FF7 was the first game to do this. This is years before games ruined FMV by overusing it and only using it for the most idiotic, common denominator action scenes imaginable. When FF7 came out, there weren't any video gamers sticking their nose up at it as they might now. It's sort of like how the Matrix had awesome special effects but then copy-cat (and the God awful sequels) ruined everything the Matrix did. Try to remember a time before crap like this ( That first time you saw those FF7 FMVs as a young one, you were impressed. Don't even lie to me.

And, you know what, FF7 didn't just introduce these narrative elements. They used them. Well. I don't care who you are, the cutscenes in FF7 sold the story for me. I'll discuss the story itself a little further on, but damn. Just... damn. Remember when Sephiroth burned-- or when he stabbed--- or when Meteor-- or like when Cid had the spaceship---Oh man.
I think I'm overloaded on crazy FF7 memories.

Seriously. In terms of narrative presentation, FF7 changed the whole ball-game. Sadly, FF still hasn't used the cinematic approach as well as it was used in FF7. In FF7, its use was still almost minimalistic. It wasn't used to tell the story. It was used to enhance the story, especially in certain parts. There also wasn't this crappy fanaticism about voice actors that plagues modern RPGs. FF7 is probably the best game in the series when it comes to presentation. I'm also going to just state that the music is awesome, the art work is awesome, and the world.. well...

2. Large world
Jesus Christ this game is FUCKING HUGE. Remember the first time you went to the Golden Saucer? Hell, remember the first time you left Midgar and realized there was a world map? Remember breeding gold chocobos and playing defend the base real-time strategy games? Remember how Yuffie and her whole Japan-esque town is optional? Seriously. This game is huge.

However, unlike, say, FF12, the world is also -oozing- with character. The location artwork is top notch, with almost every location just looking -good-. Each town also has its own feeling and character. Beach resorts, electric playgrounds, mining towns, quite villages, industrial mega-hubs, desert valleys, military bases, etc. etc. etc. This game has it all.

3. Solid story
FF7 has a variant of the "asshole tries to destroy world, so you stop him" story, but it's done better than most of the other games in the series. I think what really sets FF7 apart is the personal relationship between Cloud and Sephiroth. Other games have shades of this, but it's never made such an important part of the story. It's central to Cloud's character, and it also tells you a lot about Sephiroth, who he is, and why he does what he does. In fact, Sephiroth is almost certainly the most well developed primary villain in a Final Fantasy game.
Also, FF7 has "that moment." You know. That one.
This wasn't my first death in a JRPG. Not by a long-shot. My personal first as in Phantasy Star IV, followed, IIRC, by Phantasy Star II. However, as impressive as those are (especially PSIV, everyone needs to play that damn game), FF7 just blows them out of the water. The character development; the cinematography; the music; the character interaction; and the story all come together to leave you really feeling it. I think "her" death still might rank number 1 for me. Honestly, it's that well done, and, in 1997, it truly blew the competition out of the water.

Overall, FF7 has a solid story with interesting, well developed characters; lots of twists; and a satisfying ending. Really, what more can I ask?

4. Solid gameplay
FF7 lacks the jobs system.. unfortunately. However, it's materia system allows for quite a bit of experimentation and customization. My only problem with it, really, is that material availability is scarce early, which encourages a "jack of all trades"-type approach to how you build your party. I also wish the party members had a bit more in terms of built-in natural battle tendencies to set them apart. Besides some differences in stats and the different limit breaks, the different characters are largely blank tablets. This is good, but I think we could've had it all with the materia system. Unlike the jobs system, I'm not sure the materia system really stands on its own.

Still, the battles are fun; there's tons to do; the end-game is great; the dungeons are interesting; and.. well.. the gameplay is just solid all around. Good job guys.

Still, as I said above, the game is overrated. Why do I think so?
1. Small cast of characters, only a few are developed
Honestly, do you really give a shit about anyone besides, say, Cloud, Aeris, and Tifa? Vincent has some interesting back story elements, but, for the most part, he's not a part of the story. After all, he's optional. Ditto with Yuffie. Cid is a good character, but I don't know that I really cared about him after his inital story arc (which was, admittedly, quite fun). Ditto with Barrett and Red XIII. Cait Sith was almost more comic relief than character. And.. well... that's that. That's the entire list of characters. Compared with FF4 or, even more crazily, FF6, this just seems anemic. This is probably my biggest problem with this game.

2. Three characters fight at a time
Seriously, only three? Big disappointment after the SNES games.

3. Materia system is fine but doesn't entirely stand on its own
I pretty much covered this above, but, yeah. This.

4. Cloud's story seems needlessly crazy at times
Seriously, does anyone even understand what happened to him early in Disc 3?

These might seem like nitpicks, and, to some extent, they are. Otherwise, FF7 wouldn't be getting second place. However, overall, FF7 doesn't quite hit the sweet spot when it comes to either character development (outside of the main trio, of course) or gameplay. That's what holds it back from being number 1.

Well.. that and FINAL FANTASY 6 IS @#%$ING AWESOME

So, yeah, there you go. FF4 and FF7 are tied for second, and, next time, I'll talk about why FF6 is the best in the damn series.

I don't have a lot of final thoughts to add this time. I think I've largely covered my feelings in this insanity above. One thing I'll address here is a simple question: why are FF4 and FF7 tied? Simply put, I think both were revolutionary upon release and both have aged well. FF7 was basically the FF4 of 1997, and FF4 was basically the FF7 of 1991. They were both narrative focused games with less focus on gameplay. FF7 has maybe aged better, but it was also released significantly later. 6 years may not seem like a lot these days, but that was essentially an eternity in terms of mid-90's game design. Keep in mind, we went from Super Mario Brothers to Mario 64 in 11 years. I don't think FF4 should be needlessly punished for being released when it was released, nor do I think FF7 should get bonus points for being the first FF released on the PSX. I think FF7 deserves credit for what it did to narrative, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't deserve points purely for being released on a technically superior platform.

I also think that, despite the weaker progression system, FF4 actually plays better than FF7. It has a tight, fast, minimalist quality combined with large party management and more difficult gameplay, especially if you play a version other than the Easytype release the U.S. initially received. FF7 has the advantage when it comes to narrative presentation, world size, and minigames/side-quests, but, otherwise, I think FF4 plays a bit better. I also think that FF4 has a larger, more varied, and more interesting cast of characters, although the central drama in FF7 is rather significantly better than the central drama of FF4.

So there you go. Maybe that will sell you. Maybe not. But that's my viewpoint.
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I ran out of silly titles for this series. Whatcha gonna do, y'know?

So, to recap, I am ranking the Final Fantasy mainline games, except for side-games, 11, 14, and, for no good reason at all, 13.

Up until now, the rankings have been as such:
FF2 (11th place, 7th tier)
FF8 and FF12 (tied for 9th place, 6th tier)
FF1 (8th place, 5th tier)
FF3 and FF9 (6th place, 4th tier)

Let's see what comes next!


Tier 3, Review Score: 9.00
Final Fantasy 5 and 10
Editorial note: As noted last time, I consider Tiers 3 and 4 to be closer together than most of these tiers. That's why there is less differentiation in the review score. /editorialnote

Final Fantasy 5 (SNES), 1992

Having already talked about Final Fantasy 3, I think I'll find talking about Final Fantasy 5 a lot easier. Honestly, just re-read that whole commentary, upgrade the good parts, downgrade the bad, and boom. You have Final Fantasy 5.

You probably want more than though, eh? Alright. Let's get going!

So what's good about it?
Like FF3 before it, FF5 stands solidly on the side of gameplay vs. narrative. FF5 takes FF3's great job system and.. well.. improves it. More jobs, more interesting jobs, better switching mechanics, etc. etc. Honestly, it's a really cool system. As with FF1, there are entire websites devoted to playing this game with different classes and combinations of classes. It's still nowhere near, say, Final Fantasy Tactics (which, IMO, has the greatest variant of the jobs system), but it's one of the best progression systems in a mainline title. So there. It has that going for it.

Beyond the progression system, everything just feels right in FF5. Towns are fun to explore and filled with little secrets and treasures. Although the combat system itself is the same as in FF4, the fights are well-designed, balanced, and polished. Even with all the possible variety in terms of class combinations, the game never gets too hard or too easy. The dungeons are a good length, and the settings and places have character. You feel like you know what the developers were trying to do with each section, and they generally pulled it off. The game is largely linear, but there are a few secret things to do off the beaten path. Overall, the basic gameplay is simply all there. Anything I'd say on this topic would just be variations of this basic idea.

Also, in comparison to FF3, the story has gotten a bit of an upgrade. There are preset characters now, and, well, they actually have character! They also interact and banter in funny-yet-endearing ways, and there are even a few 'heavier' moments when it comes to the storyline. Also, spoilers, the world you're exploring changes a couple times. Like some of the other games on this list, that adds a lot of exploration to an already fun game.

So what's bad?
Well, the story and characters are better than FF3, sure. However, in comparison to its immediate predecessor (FF4) and successor (FF6), well.. FF5's story just doesn't compete. It's a -fine- story, but FF4 and FF6 are just phenomenal narrative achievements by comparison. It's sad to see that Square didn't really try with FF5. FF5's story and character development are more typical of the NES era of FF games than the SNES era.

There's not a lot more to say than this. The villain isn't interesting; there aren't any major plot twists (other than the shifts in the world, as noted above); and the "heavier moments" don't really pack much of a punch.

If you play JRPGs for the combat mechanics, progression elements, and exploration, go play FF5. Immediately. It's one of the best in the series in terms of pure gameplay. However, if the narrative is what compels you to make progress in a JRPG, FF5 might not be for you. Overall, it's a great game, and I wouldn't put it so highly on this list if I didn't recommend it. However, it's definitely holding the bac flank of the SNES-era.

Final Fantasy 10 (PS2), 2001

While people will be angry at me for listing FF8, FF9, and FF12 too low, I'm guessing I'll catch flak for listing this one too high. And, you know what? I understand. I understand all the hatred and criticism for this game. Hell, I've watched the entire (massive!) Spoony Experiment review and laughed my ass of. So much truth there....

Still, despite all its weaknesses, IMO, FF10 is a great game. It's just a great game with a lot of flaws.

Let's break tradition and discuss flaws first.
So what's bad about it?
Simply put, the GOD DAMN CHARACTERS. Don't get me wrong, there are still some good characters here. Yuna is actually relatively likeable. Auron is a silent badass. And.. umm.. okay I think that about does it. Tidus is borderline insufferable. His hair, his style, his voice, his personality, etc. etc., I dare say that I hate Tidus more than Squall. Tidus isn't the asshole Squall was, but, Christ almighty mad, just chill out for a bit. Wash those blonde highlights out of your hair and put on some proper clothes!

Sorry, I'm getting sidetracked. But, yeah, the dialogue and voice acting for these characters ranges from "meh" to "AHHHHH" and goes nowhere near "Yay!" Considering the amount of time you'll spend in this game just watching the characters banter, well, that's a big negative.

There are other issues as well. Although it doesn't suffer from the destructivitis of FF9 when it comes to towns, there still aren't a lot of towns to explore. The game makes up for this a bit by, essentially, removing the world map. As a result, lots of places feel -sorta- like a town, and the world feels bigger than usual. Still, I'm a big fan of having lots of towns to explore and learn about. I keep hoping this will become the norm again in the FF series, but, with 13 apparently jettisoning towns entirely, I guess I should keep my expectations low.

The game also suffers from Hardcore-completionitis, which is a disease most clearly contracted by Kingdom Hearts 2. It basically involves you do LOTS and LOTS of INSANE BULLSHIT in order to get anywhere near a complete game. Let me give you an example. In order to get everyone's ultimate weapons, you have to go way above and beyond the call of gaming. For Lulu's, you get to dodge lightning.

That might not seem so bad if you haven't played FF10. Let me be clear here: THIS WILL RUIN YOUR DAY IF YOU ATTEMPT IT. Basically, it's a rhythm game, only the rhythm makes no damn sense. I must've spent 3 or 4 hours just to get this one item, and that doesn't count the item you need to make the event feasible. If you don't earn the ability to avoid random encounters (which, itself, is very time consuming to earn), you also get attacked while trying to play the lightning rhythm game. Seriously, this is a gigantic exercise in frustration.

I'm sure I don't even need to remind you people of Blitzball. Although I actually enjoyed the game, you have to play this thing FOREVER in order to earn all of the rewards. Seriously, you're going to be spending almost as much time on Blitzball alone as you spend in the Golden Saucer in FF7. It's pretty ridiculous.

So yeah, the writing is ridiculous, the characters are obnoxious, and, in order to get the best items, you basically have to be a masochist.

So what's good about it?
I don't fucking care. Everything else.

The story, despite the shit characters, is actually.. well.. good. It's a variation on the classic "Evil thing wants to destroy world" trope, but it's one of the better variants on this in the series. Even while hating Tidus, I got a little emotional during parts of the end, and, God dammit, I liked some of the plot twists. It certainly helps that Yuna is still likeable, even if damn near nobody else is.

Also, the combat system just works well. I'm finding it difficult to talk about why I liked the gameplay in some FFs more than others. Some just draw you in, make you a cup of tea, and play with your balls while you're enjoying yourself. FF10, IMO, is one of these games. The combat is just smooth; the battles are balanced and make sense; you can quickly swap out characters for different tactics and strategies; and I really enjoy the summoning system in FF10. It's basically the last game in the series to have the FF4-originated Active Battle System, but it's an appropriate sendoff. It definitely makes use of the battle system.

I also like the progression system. Although I'm INSANELY JEALOUS of those who can play the International Version, what with its more open-ended progression system (I also gather that FF12's Int'l Release has a better progression system, which I'd be curious to try), I still think the original system works well. It gives you the option to take characters down the "roads less traveled," while also letting you treat the progression system as essentially a preset class system. I also thought the interface was fun and enjoyed unlocking new bonuses (DON'T JUDGE ME). I think more options would've been better, as this could've been an actual competitor to Thee Holy Jobs System otherwise, but, as is, it definitely worked well.

Also, despite all my anger above, I really enjoy a lot of the minigames and such. I had a lot of fun with Blitzball (essentially, a turn-based, RPG sports game), and I enjoyed all the new options FF10 gave you once the world opened up towards the end.

To summarize, FF10 has shit characters, some insane completionist objectives, and doesn't have as much town exploration as I'd like. However, it has a good story, solid gameplay, lots and lots of content, and a good progression system. If you haven't played it, you should give it a shot sometime.

These are both great games. FF5 is short on story, but high on gameplay. In terms of gameplay-centric SNES-era RPG's, FF5 deserves a spot near the top. However, its narrative deficiencies keep it from competing with the final three games (FF4, FF6, and FF7).
FF10 has crap characters and a few weird design choices, but the gameplay is solid and the story is good. If FF10 didn't have voice acting, it might actually be ranked higher. The annoying characters make a great game much harder to enjoy. You really need to just bite your land and deal with the obnoxious character dialogue because the rest of the game is great. Still, the top three games have great stories, great characters, and great gameplay. That's why FF10 is tied for 4th.

FFX-2 should've been good. They took a great game, got rid of its most annoying character, and added the God Damn Thee Holy Job System!!! But nooooo! Square had to up the annoying character dial to 11; replace the good story with a terrible, largely unconnected and unfeasible story; and shove shitty J-pop down our throats.
However, even worse than all of that, they took the insane Completionitis bullshit from FF10 and made it into a way of life. I got 5 hours into this game, then realized I didn't talk to a moogle in the first area. Guess what? Goodbye 100%! Goodbye good ending!

And goodbye FFX-2 because that was the last time I played that disappointing piece of crap. So much potential.. wrapped in a turd burrito.
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Welcome to the second installment of Final Rankasy, which ranks the top 11 best Final Fantasy games (not counting 11, 13, or 14 or any side games) ever made!

Last time, we covered Final Fantasy 2 at 11th place (by itself in the seventh tier). We also covered Final Fantasy 8 and 12, which were tied at 9th place (forming tier 6 of the FF series). This time we'll be looking at the three games that make up tiers 4 and 5.


Tier 5, Review Score: 8.5
Final Fantasy (NES), 1987 (though not until 1990 in the U.S.)

Let me start by saying that Final Fantasy 1 is easily the hardest to rank in the series. Its ranking is almost entirely dependent on how you weigh impact on release vs. current playability. For my part, I've done my part to balance the two, and, well, this ranking is the result.

So what's good about Final Fantasy 1?
Honestly, there's a lot here that is just great regardless of era. The music in this game is phenomenal. It's not surprising that its theme is still a big part of the franchise even all these years later. The graphics, for the time, were quite good. Don't believe me? Play Dragon Quest. Come talk to me after.

Hell, "play Dragon Quest" should be the slogan of FF1. Don't like the interface? Play Dragon Quest 1. Then tell me how much better FF's interface is. Graphics? Check. Story? Check. In terms of basics, FF1 outclassed the premium franchise of the genre. Sure, DQ2 introduced multiple characters, but FF1 had multiple, customizable characters. DQ3 would have a similar feature when it was released a few months later, but, still, this was impressive.

I remember, as a kid, being really impressed with FF1. It was my first RPG, and I become mildly obsessed with it. However, as time wore on, I remember getting the impression that FF1 wasn't all great. In Japan, it was basically a typical DQ-clone; it didn't bring a lot new to the genre; etc. etc.

Lately, I've come back to my initial view on FF1. Dr. Sparkle, over at the gaming blog Chrontendo, is playing through every famicom/NES game ever released. Watching his series, I've come to realize that most other JRPGs were dreadfully terrible, and that FF brought elements to the table that I never even thought about. For example, elemental attributes were a bigger element in FF1 than in any game before it. If you think about it, that was essentially the basis of the game and, until FF6, the entire franchise. It was all about those elements, baby.

On release, FF1 had great graphics, great music, a decent (though goofy) story, new mechanics, more polished and interesting battles, and a customizable party system. It was big news.

As for current playability, FF1 still has a lot of strengths. The game's old school difficulty almost feels like a different genre in comparison to its descendants. Going into a cave, daring to look for treasure, and making it back to town? Does that sound like a short leisurely activity, or a long, arduous trek filled with death and the possibility of failure? You really need to prepare for dungeon trips in FF1, especially in the first third of the game. You need to get the best equipment, the best spells, and a solid stock of items in order to make it home again.

However, FF1, for all the talk, is not that hard. After you get the airship and your class changes, the game isn't really that difficult at all. Through most of the latter parts of the game, you can deal with ghosts and poison easily, which are the real threats in the early game. Also, cabins and houses become more readily available, along with modes of transportation. This makes traveling relatively easy once you get a bit into the game.

The combat system, because of the smart little changes here and there to JRPG standards, is still fun to use. You need to plan appropriately to make the most of your force. Classes feel and play differently, and there's entire websites dedicated to different combinations of classes. The graphics aren't great anymore, but, unlike say DQ1, the graphics aren't terrible. You'll always know what the graphics are trying to convey, and, occasionally, you'll see a spark of that latter day FF spirit.

So what's not-so-good about it?
On release, as mentioned above, the game was solid and well polished. However, despite some real additions to combat and class/party customization, the game wasn't terribly innovative. It stands quite close to its Dragon Quest forbears. If it was as genre defining as DQ, this game would undoubtedly be higher on this list.

For current playability, FF1 is probably going to be hard to digest for a lot of folks raised on later systems. It's a fun game, and I do think the higher difficulty levels (especially early on) give the game its own taste. However, it's probably going to seem old and worn in pretty much every regard for modern gamers. Except for FF2, the failed experiment, every other game in the series expands on and improves upon the basic ideas shown in this first installment.

So, overall, I think FF1 is a very good game. However, it hasn't survived the test of time as well as, say, Final Fantasy 3 and 4, and it wasn't nearly as innovative or ground-break as Dragon Quest 1 and 2. That leaves it as the lone entry in the "solid" tier 5 of Final Fantasy games.

Tier 4, Review Score: 8.75
Final Fantasy 3 and 9
Editorial note: I nearly combined Tiers 4 and 3 into one "mega-tier" of 4th place games. However, I thought that would've been a total sell-out, and I final decided on an even split. However, that's why the "review score" changes are minor between Tiers 4 and 3, and, honestly, I do not consider these games to be "much worse" than those games. This is the split I decided on, and I think its right. However, I wouldn't lay my life on the line for it.. while I may do so for Tiers 1 and 2 (>:-)).

Final Fantasy 3 (NES), 1990

Let me start by saying that I have not played the DS version or its re-releases. I'm not against that version or anything. I just haven't had the chance to try it yet. This review covers the original NES release only.

In the war between "narrative" and "gameplay," Final Fantasy 3 stood solid, along with FF5, on the side of gameplay. I think if you understand that you have all of its weaknesses and strengths wrapped up in a nutshell.

On the good side, this game is fun. It has the first iteration of the AWESOMESAUCE job system. Oh yeah, that's right. That awesome system that made FFT totally great?! And the one that turned FF5 from meh to yeh?! Yeah, it started here, and it's glorious. Sure, it's not nearly as polished as later iterations. For the most part, you can't really keep much after job switches. I guess the idea is more that your members are capable of switching between classes when needed rather than keeping abilities and creating mixes of classes. Still, it's a definite step forward for the franchise.

Also, there is an intangible element about the gameplay that just works in FF3. The battles are, all in all, fun; the dungeons are well-designed; and the job system works well. This is a well designed game, through and through. The graphics are also good, as they look almost like a hybrid of FF1 and FF4. You can even see the graphical forbears of FF4's NPC's in some of the sprites. The game world is also relatively large with a lot going on. Honestly, for an 8-bit RPG, the gameplsy is exemplary.

On the downside, the game's story is.. well.. it's there I guess. There is technically a story. In general, the story is comparable in quality to FF1, with just a little bit off substance added around the edges. For a game released two years later (after Phantasy Star 2!), it's a little underwhelming. Also, as in FF1, the four main characters are blanks. It's not until FF4 that we see FF really take story and character seriously.

In terms of current playability, the focus on gameplay, IMO, makes FF3 easier to recommend. RPG stories tend not to age well, especially when you're talking about something on an 8-bit console, but solid gameplay is ageless. If you're willing to look past a bit of retro difficulty and the blank story, FF3 is definitely a solid installment in the series. If you like this general idea, but you want something a bit further on with some more polish.. play FF5.

Final Fantasy 9 (PSX), 2000

This is the other ranking that will, no doubt, earn me entry into the halls of Dtoid infamy. FF9 seems to be a leading candidate for "best of the series," and, honestly, I can see why. It's a conscious attempt to give a "throwback" to the retro days, with a medieval-ish-with-maybe-some-steampunk setting, crystals, black mages, and all that good stuff. It's also much better than its immediate predecessor and is one of the three best Final Fantasy games made after the SNES era. Impressive.

So what's good about FF9?
Honestly, FF9 is generally pretty solid. The graphics are good; for the most part, the artwork is enticing; the story is decent; the characters actually have a bit of -character- to them; and they haven't done anything FF2/FF8/FF12-style that completely ruins a core element of the game. I also generally like the item-based progression system. It gives off an almost Esper-y vibe. The class system is generally well-implemented. Like, say, FF4, each character has a base class that dictates their capabilities and approach to battle. I also like the return to four-person parties, and I think the Active Time Events were generally well-designed and well-implemented.

So what's bad about FF9?
It may be hard to put into words, but FF9 doesn't seem to be spectacular in any one way. It's a well-rounded, jack-of-all-trades sort of FF game, with a bit of everything but no specialties. The Red Mage of FF's, if you will.

The art work is good, and I like the return to the retro medieval epic setting. However, the character artwork is.. well.. off-putting. I'm sure this is one of the central disagreements I have with this installment's fanbase: I really don't like the character artwork. It may sound strange, but this is definitely an element of the game that kept me from being drawn into the story and the characters. It just all seemed so silly.

Some argue that, like the crystals and the medieval/steampunkish theme, this is a return to the retro sensibilities of the earlier entries in the franchise. However, I just have to disagree here. The early games had seemingly "super-deformed-esque" graphics because of the limitations of sprites and the way artwork was implemented. The actual character artwork wasn't silly at all. In fact, it was downright pretentious.

Here, let me give you some side-by-sides.

Here's the official artwork for Locke (from FF6) and Zidane (from FF9):

Here's the artwork for Kain (from FF4) and Steiner (from FF9):

Keep in mind, I'm picking the less ridiculous characters from FF9 here.

Just a few others:

Now, don't get me wrong. There's nothing objectively bad about this art style or approach. I'm sure there are plenty of people who love it, and which think its add a bit of unique charm to FF9. However, nothing about the artwork recalls earlier days of FF, and, personally, I find it more off-putting than charming.

The graphics are technically excellent, and a lot of the environments and settings are stunning. It puts, for example, FF12's comparatively bland world to shame. I just find that the approach to the characters makes the game hard to take seriously.

However, the game never goes full on into silly or parody mode. The game isn't especially funny. The characters do have character, but they aren't my favorite FF characters by some margin. The central story is actually somewhat dark, especially as you get later into the game (more on this below). As a result, it seems like there are just some bits of silliness there, by themselves, isolated from any sort of connection to gameplay or narrative approach. I just don't understand it.

The story is decent in this game, but there is nothing in particular that stands out about it. There aren't any "HOLY SHIT" moments I could write a Memory Card about. Vivi is a character with an interesting backstory, but, again, the whole approach tends to take me out of the game. I never became emotionally connected to the world, the characters, or what was happening. The ending didn't impress me, and the final boss seemed to come out of nowhere. It's not a bad story, but it's not a game that can sell itself on story alone.

As for gameplay, well, it's basically in the same situation. The FF4-originated battle system is still there in all its glory, but FF9 is not a game that pushes it to its limit. This isn't, for example, like FF3 or FF5, where gameplay drives the game. The battles work, but I don't remember being particularly enthralled. Item-based progression is interesting, but it's somewhat lackluster on its own. The constraints of the FF4-style class system hold the game back from doing anything really interesting with character customization (FF4 has the same problem), so all you can really do is pick your party members and give them interesting abilities through items. All in all, the game plays fine, but it's not a game that clearly focused on gameplay. In the battle between story and gameplay (where FF3 stood solid with gameplay), FF9 is on the sidelines, yawning and staring at its watch.

One final issue I want to discuss is the towns in FF9. This will have spoilers, so be careful moving forward.[i].
Simply stated, I was underwhelmed with the number, size and explorability (yes, I made up a new word) of the towns in FF9. From the word go, there aren't too many settlements in this game to even explore, and the few that are available don't seem as fully realized as some of the towns in earlier installments. However, more problematically, most of the damn towns are destroyed as the game goes on. By the end of the game, you have barely any places to visit or explore. I mean, think of FF6 as a comparison point. NPC dialogue in towns often changed to match larger story shifts; there were loads of towns, filled with secrets, backstory, and atmosphere; and, halfway through, the towns all got significant.. redesigns. Awesome stuff. Seriously.
Exploring towns was always a major part of my love affair with these games. It was unfortunate that FF9 didn't really concentrate on delivering on that front.

Overall, FF9 isn't a bad game. In fact, none of the central elements that constitute the game are bad. It's just not a great game. The character artwork is a little off, especially in comparison to the tone and approach of the story over all. The battle and progression systems work, but there is nothing exemplary or innovative about the systems either. The settings look great, but there isn't a lot to explore in terms of towns, especially a little later in the game. It's a solid effort, which earns it a tie for 6th place in the FF series.

Again, I basically talked about these games in isolation, so I wanted to say a little bit about this set of rankings in general.

These two tiers, along with tier 3, make up the "solid core' of the FF series. If it wasn't for these games, we might talk about a few entries here and there, but the FF series just wouldn't be the same. Part of what's so impressive about Final Fantasy is the general level of quality that they've maintained for so long. These three games are solid examples of JRPGs of their eras, and they're all recommended even today.

Still, there are things that keep all of these games from excelling. FF1 would be hard for relative newcomers to enjoy. FF3 is fun, but the story is nearly non-existent. FF9 is solid overall, but it doesn't excel in any one area either. Also, strange character design choices and a lack of emphasis on town exploration take a bit of the wind out of FF9's sails.

Regardless, these are all very good games. If you haven't played these and you love JRPGs, you should play them immediately! Well.. unless you have played any of the remaining FF games. Otherwise, you should play those instead.

To sum up the rankings fo far:
11th place: Final Fantasy 2 (tier 7)
Tied for 9th: Final Fantasy 8 and Final Fantasy 12 (tier 6)
8th place: Final Fantasy 1 (tier 5)
Tied for 6th: Final Fantasy 3 and Final Fantasy 9 (tier 4)

To be ranked: Final Fantasy 4, Final Fantasy 5, Final Fantasy 6, Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy 10
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I'm here to engage in a pretty standard practice: ranking the mainline Final Fantasy series. Although I've been considering this for a while now, Stealth's ranking of the side story games finally gave me the inspiration to get this started. Sure, it's hardly insane or new to rank these bad boys, but I don't often see attempts to rank the -whole- series. Usually, I see arguments over the best entry or the top 5 or something. I'm going to try to talk about the whole mainline series.

However, there are exceptions here as well. I will not be including FF11 or FF14 on this list, as they are MMORPGs. I basically consider them numbered side-games, as the FF series is all about the single-player. I don't include any side games, including spin-offs (numbered or otherwise) to FF4, FF7, FF10, FF12, or FF13. I also don't include 13 because I haven't played it. Chances are, it wouldn't do well, but it doesn't really matter. Consider this an up-to-date list as of 2009 if it makes you feel better about FF13's placement.

Now, before I get started, here is my basic approach. When ranking these games, I consider two factors:
1. Is this game still good/entertaining/interesting?
2. Was it good/entertaining/ground-breaking/innovative at release?
Obviously, the distance between these factors shrinks as you get further into the series. With FF1, retro factors will be more important than, say, FF12. However, I will still consider -current- playability/etc. even with the older games. Don't worry, this will not be a "back-loaded" ranking system.

In general, I've separated games into 7 tiers of quality. Why? Because I there were a fair number of ties, and, given how difficult it is to rank different games or different eras on the same list, I decided not to break those ties. Each tier comes with its own "review score" to give an idea of how I feel about the game. Too often, we tear down games we feel indifferent about in order to build up our favorites. The idea behind this review score is to give some sense for the actual quality of a product, outside of the FF context. In other words, I want to demonstrate that most of these games are -good- even if there are better entries in the series. Finally, without further ado...


Tier 7, Review Score: 7.5
Final Fantasy 2 (NES), 1988

As you can see by the review score, I do not think FF2 is a "bad" game. In a lot of ways, FF2 was a revolutionary entry into the series. It was the first in the series with preset characters, and it was the only one in the series to have preset characters until Final Fantasy 4 for the SNES. It also introduced an interesting conversation mechanic. When you talk to NPCs, you can "remember" important/key words, and use those words with other NPCs at important moments in order to move conversations forward. You also have a rotating fourth slot for temporary characters, which gives you more variety in terms of gameplay and a wider cast of characters to interact with and learn about. This all goes with the strongest story pre-FF4, as Square reaches into its "high drama" bag for the first time. Overall, FF2 is the best NES FF when it comes to story, character, and narrative presentation.
FF2 also came after FF1, which was already quite a force of innovation. I'll say more when I get to FF1, but, suffice to say, FF1 spiced up and retooled Dragon Quest's combat system in a good way. FF2 gains the strengths of FF1's enhancements and adds some of its own on top.

So why is this last? Two words, folks: progression system. The developers at Square decided to play with a new approach with Final Fantasy 2. Instead of leveling with experience points, they implemented a system in which repetition of specific skills causes the improvement of said skills. In a lot ways, it's similar to the system used in Bethesday's Elder Scrolls' games, and it's the direct antecedent to SaGa/Romancing SaGa's progression system. This makes sense, as Akitoshi Kawazu was a main designer for FF2, and he went on to create the SaGa series.

However, while this approach works in some of the latter games, it just doesn't work in FF2 at all. You either grind endlessly for a pittance of progression, or you abuse the Hell out of the system by killing all but one enemy, beating the crap out of your own team, then healing your own team. Boom, you're all Gods now, fit to deal out death and destruction at your whim.

Honestly, when I say this shit is broken, I -mean- it. Abusing the system is incredibly easy, while playing within its imagined confines is difficult and.. well.. not fun at all.
The unfortunate result is a game that isn't fun to play now and wasn't all that great at the time of release. Sure, it had smart innovations and cool, new ideas, but the implementation is just not good enough. Well, at least Akitoshi Kawazu was given the SaGa series to implement his ideas....

(One thing I'll admit is that I haven't played any of the game's myriad remakes. If any of these make substantial changes to the progression system, it could do a lot for the game. Anyone play any of the FF2 remakes?)

Tier 6, Review Score: 8.0
Final Fantasy 8 and Final Fantasy 12

Final Fantasy 8 (PSX), 1999

Boy, I bet I just pissed off two of the three people that will ever read this. Yes, next to last is a tie.. between FF8 and FF12. Keep in mind, I'm giving an 8/10 to both games. I don't think they're "bad." They're just not terribly great for Final Fantasy games.

Let me start my talking about the good aspects of FF8: ____________
Nah nah, I kid, I kid. There are some legitimately good elements. The presentation is great, with a solid mixture of cinematic cutscenes and good, dramatic music. The art design is quite impressive, especially when character models are contrasted with, say, FF7. The battles, themselves, are pretty standard affairs. Nothing terribly broken there.

However, FF8 manages to bollocks up just about everything else. Let's break this down into two elements: 1. Characters and story, 2. Progression

1. Characters
In better FF games, the characters have interesting backgrounds that are slowly revealed through character development and new story arcs. Who's that guy? Oh shit, he's a ninja! He'd kill his mother for a nickle! Oh, it turns out that...*insert spoilers*, and you find out through a series of random dream sequences! Well, who is that guy over there? Oh, he just loss his family when a villain poisoned his castle. He fights to redeem their memory and make the world a better place. How about this one? He's a "treasure hunter" (i.e. - thief), who is trying to bring life back to a loved one....

In FF8, all the characters have the same, boring background. Who's that guy? He grew up in an orphanage. Who's that girl? She teaches here. Also, she grew up with the guy in the orphanage. How about that guy? He works here, and he grew up in the same orphanage. And that girl? Ditto. And him? Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. Dittodittodittodittoditto.

Jesus, what a terrible decision.

Also, on top of the lack of a proper background, all of the characters are lame. Zell? Why he's a silly guy! He wears crazy clothes! Selphie, well she's a silly girl. Sometimes, she's clumsy, and she's super girly! The teacher chick? She's a teacher! AND a chick!

Of course, none of this compares to Squall. Squall is officially the worst hero in a major RPG. Seriously, this guy makes pretty much everyone else look like Hero of the Year. He's an asshat.

So, yeah. The characters in this game are uninteresting and all share the same backstory. I bet that saved the developers a lot of time. Probably the only interesting character in the game is Laguna. It's sad when the best thing you have going is a largely unconnected side-story.

The story is better, on average, than the character set, but it's not night and day. The story is passable. At first, it looks like there might be some interesting political stuff happening, but, no. That's not in the cards. It's an evil wizard (sorry; sorceress) who plans to.. mash time together. Or something. It doesn't really make any sense, and the motivations of the villains are highly suspect. Still, it's typical RPG fare. Evil villain wants to blow everything up. You need to get MacGuffins and stop her. With good characters, I think they still could've made something with this general storyline, but, alas, it was not meant to be....

2. Okay, here is where I have my real problems with this fracking game: the progression systems. Much like FF2, FF8 goes out of its way to completely change every facet of progression. Also like FF2, it fails miserably.

Here are my major problems:
a. Spell system and junctioning
I hate the spell system in this game. It basically turns spells into glorified items that you have to steal from enemies. It took all the "magic" out of the experience for me (ha... ha.... ha), as nothing magical ever felt permanent. You never got the same sense that you finally perfected your glass cannon Black Mage. Instead, you got a cool item.. that you can use. Once. Then you need to get more. I guess this is -entirely- opinion-oriented (as is this whole Rankasy enterprise), but I really disliked this system.

Junctioning, I was more okay with, but I was never quite sure what its role in the game was supposed to be. I play pretty far in the game without even glancing at junctioning, and the game never felt difficult (I'll get back to this below). However, if you abuse junctioning, you basically auto-win the game. Honestly, like FF2, this seems like a poorly thought out experiment in progression.

b. Difficulty curve
This game's difficulty curve makes no damn sense. I made it halfway through disc 3 with my highest level character in the low 20's. I remember having a somewhat hard time on a boss, looking up a FAQ, and realizing I was -over twenty levels below the recommended level-. Wow. Honestly, I was so shocked that I almost stopped playing there.
Keep in mind, this wasn't my first rodeo. I beat FF1 at the age of 7. Before trying 8, I had played 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. I didn't grind, but I also didn't avoid grinding. The way the game ranked monster difficulty to your level, the massively abusable junction system, the abusable summon system, and other flat out mistakes in design create a system which -just doesn't work-.

c. Items and money
Hey remember when half of the fun of RPGs was raising money and buying cool new weapons? Say goodbye to both. Who needs the fun of earning money, when you can just run around and get paid automatically?! Personally, I always find test-taking to be more fun than killing monsters. That's why I spend my time on a test-taking blog, instead of a video game blog.

Seriously though, progression in this game is fracked. There's no fun; no real customization beyond junctioning; crappy magic system; terrible way of making money; watered down item system; and the play balance on leveling is just completely broken.

So, overall, FF8 has a mediocre story, bad progression elements, bad characters, and the worst main hero ever. Why is it higher than FF2? Honestly, the FF2 progression system is far more thoroughly broken than the progression elements in this. The progression elements in FF8 are -functional- but not well designed. In FF2, I'd argue that they aren't even functional.

Relative to other games, FF8 is still good. The graphics and artwork are great. The battle system is mostly untouched. The presentation of the story is great, even if the story is mediocre. And there's a lot of fun things to do, including the card game. However, it falls far short of other entries in the FF series.

Final Fantasy 12 (PS2), 2006

If anyone ever reads this, this is the ranking that I really expect to get me into trouble. People seem to really love this game for some reason, and it continues to be well scored and well-reviewed. Let me be up front and say that I -played- this damn game for over 90 hours. I saw everything it offers. I understand what it is and what it's trying to be. Don't respond by saying I didn't play it through, because I did. However, at the end of the day, these are all opinions. The things in FF12 I consider weaknesses, you may well consider strengths. My opinion does not make your opinion less valuable. If you disagree, feel free to post below or create a counter-blog, and we'll move forward from there.

In short, I'm not a fan of this game, and I really don't understand the praise it gets. Let me break this down into four sections: Characters/Story, Battle System/Summons, World, Progression.

1. Characters/Story
I was actually a fan of FF10 (I'll say more about this later, of course), so, when FF12 was getting close to release, I was absolutely ecstatic. On top of this, FF12 was coming from some of the talent that worked on FF Tactics and Vagrant Story! In addition, the story approach seemed more in-line with FF Tactics (medieval politics, war, history), and it even shared the same world! If FF Tactics was part of this list, it would be tied for second place, so, suffice to say, I was excited. I even preordered the Collector's Edition. I also remember when I started playing FF12, how the story seemed to be setting itself up for some FFT-style craziness. What's this Empire? There was an invasion? And an assassination? What's the real story here? How are these polities connected?

Long story short, the only part of Tactics that 12's story really echoed was the final chapter of Tactics.. where everything became standard RPG nonsense. After setting up high politics, I realized about halfway through that the big shift in tone was never coming. Instead, we were gearing up for a MacGuffin chase in order to destroy the Big Evil that threatens the world. **rollseyes*

Truth be told, I think they still could've hit the ball out of the park with this story if it wasn't for the characters. Honestly, there is -one- interesting character in this game, and his name is Balthier. Despite spending over 90 hours on this game, I honestly can't even tell you much about the other characters. I remember Vaan and Penelo were really annoying. Fran looked silly but was pretty boring otherwise. Honestly, looking through the characters and story, it's incredible how much of this I seemingly blocked from my memory. Keep in mind, I have fresher memories of games I haven't played for a longer period of time, such as FF4, FF6, and FF7. I even remember more of FF8 than FF12, which is.. sad.

It's hard to sum up my thoughts on this, but perhaps this is close: FF12 seems like it has an interesting story, but it doesn't quite pull it off. Also, the characters lack character, except for Balthier. Balthier, admittedly, is a badass.

2. Battle System/Summons
"You know what I want in my single player console RPG? A battle system based on MMORPGs!" - Nobody ever ever

Long story short, I hate, hate, hate the damn battle system in FF12. It's just boring and lame. There's no strategy. There's no thinking. Hell, there's usually no -input-. For 90% of the battles I fought, I just walked around in circle while my characters did whatever the Hell they wanted. Even in boss battles, I only made slight adjustments to the formula.

The whole macro thing would've been fine if, say, you could still impact the battle in other ways. Like, say, FF7 Crisis Core, I could see myself enjoying a bit of action in the RPG formula. Rolling away from attacks, finding good ground, and responding appropriately. I could deal with macro if it was on top of this format.
However, instead, it's the worst of all worlds. Your characters basically do whatever they do no matter -what- you're doing with them. I could be running Balthier all over the place, but he'll still be attacking the same, using magic the same, etc. as if I wasn't doing anything at all. Except for melee weapons, there's no -space- in this damn battle system. This wouldn't be a problem if your primary role in battles wasn't to.. move your characters through space. Truly.. I don't get why people found this battle system acceptable. It'd be one thing if I was playing an MMO, where this system maps well onto the needs of having many players take actions simultaneously in a centralized, digital environment. However, I just don't see the upside.

Also, summons are incredibly, incredibly useless in this game. Feel the power of my.. summon.. which just replaces my party.. with one entity barely as powerful as they are individually. Seriously, screw up city, all around.

3. World: FF 12 is simply not well realized as a world. The cities are boring, with none of the typical fantastical awesomeness from the series. I mean, seriously. Go play FF10 for a while. Run around the cities and dungeons. Then do the same in FF12. Notice how everything is boring, and how there's nothing interesting to see? Strange. The cities also lack NPCs that say anything meaningful. Sure, you'll get some content here and there, but it's usually framed in the most soulless, uninteresting way possible. Most NPCs, if they say anything, will give you meaningless, trite nonsense. There's really nothing of substance in any of the cities to make this world feel dramatic, interesting, or real.

The dungeons are even worse. Play the dungeons for any of the games from FF7-FF10. Notice how the artwork on the backgrounds is done to make things look epic and fantastic. They draw your eyes. Now play the dungeons in FF12. Notice how your perspective removes anything of note from your point of view. Also, notice how the dungeons feel randomly generated, even though they are not, in fact, randomly generated. Seriously, this was a very underwhelming showing for Square's staff. None of the locations have any character at all.

4. Progression
FF12 has better progression systems than, say, FF8 or FF2. However, there are still flaws. Most notably, it doesn't appear that there is any incentive to engage in anything but "jack of all trade"-style progression. Pick one weapon for each character (preferably with no overlaps), then pick up all the cheap great skills. Since starting skills are so cheap, there's really no reason not to get them for everyone. Sure, there is a bit of customization past that point, but it's hardly substantial. Really, when it comes to the leveling system, I don't hate FF12's. I just think it had more potential that could've been reached.

Overall, FF12 just feels like a whiff from Square. Lackluster characters, standard storyline, underwhelming atmosphere and world-building, and lame, lame, lame battles. I probably would've been a lot more open to everything else if the battles weren't so sub-par, but there you go.

Still, the overall presentation of the game isn't bad. There's a -huge- amount of content in this game, even if you just want to run through the main storyline. The broad thrust of the story isn't bad; it just doesn't set out into new territory as I thought it might. Really, with better writing and more interesting characters, the story would've been fine, probably. The biggest problem by far is the combat. If you can get by the combat, the game is definitely playable for RPG fans.

I basically reviewed FF2, FF8, and FF12 as individual games. Briefly, here are my thoughts on why they're ranked as such.

FF2 is okay, but the progression system is so thoroughly broken that I thought it had to be the bottom. I think it would be unfair to say any FF game is worse than FF2, when it's nearly unplayable. FF8 and FF12 form the bottom of the "playable" FF series to me, personally. Neither games adds a lot to the old formula, but what these games add... tends to subtract from the core experience. In FF12, the new battles killed the fun, while, in FF8, the retooled progression system took the wind out of the game's sails. I also think both games lack interesting characters to bring more depth to their relatively standard storylines. However, at the core, I think all three of these games have problems with gameplay, which is more damning than storyline. I mean, sheesh, I loved FF10, and FF10, arguably, had characters -at least- as annoying and bad as FF8 and FF12. However, more on this will wait for a later session....
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