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I have had a hard time with the gaming industry and it's followers as of late. The industry itself has transformed in ways that none of us would have imagined back in the days of 8 and 16 bit console warfare. Similarly, the fans and followers of gaming have changed, but has it been for the better? With the advent of the internet, any shmuck with a keyboard can write a sloppy or stream-of-consciousness opinion about whatever mundane or poorly-hashed-out concept is troubling their feeble brain at the drop of a keystroke. In the interest of maintaining credibility, I won't draw any parallels from that last sentence to this current blog entry, suffice it to say I realize my own reflection is often in that metaphorical mirror. You're just going to have to decide whether or not you care enough to stop reading.

However, there are many who are far, far worse than me. Indeed, I moved my opinions and efforts to Destructoid.com in an effort to circumvent all of this circle-jerk logic and fanboy idiocy that plagues many other sites. I'm sure that it still exists here, but at least I have the opportunity to rant and rave about it in a longer and uncut segment. Besides, hopefully I can get a few 'hear, hear!'s from some of the more advanced, older, or objective readers. People who want to have an intelligent and disciplined discussion about a passion that is increasingly bogged down with misguided teenage anxt and flare-ups are steadily falling into more of a minority category with each passing day. Gaming has long been a children's pass-time, but it has developed into so much more, and I personally hunger for an intelligent, adult conversation regarding the industry, it's directions, and its follies.

Recently on another site, one which I frequent less and less with the recurrence of such incidents, I was accosted with claims of hatred for Nintendo and hatred for 'buying video games' (yes, I was accused of hating the physical act of purchasing video games) for posting a statement that indicated I wouldn't mind seeing Nintendo humbled just a wee bit. It was intelligent conjecture, intended to spark conversation and possibly pave the way for others who feel similarly to voice their opinions. Every time a dissenting opinion is posted, it gets 'voted down' on this particular site, which basically means it gets faded out against the background, making it all but illegible. Interestingly, all of the comments worth reading are voted down in similar fashion.Circle-jerk logic prevails once again.

I rant today in the name of all that is sane and rational. Do we not deserve to better our community through dissenting opinions and questioning the mainstream? Do we not exercise our right to expression out of a genuine concern for the gaming industry and it's shortcomings or acheivements? I've always argued that the advent of the internet has been a boon to society, giving all who wish it a voice and a forum to express their opinion, but these days I wonder if this was such a good thing.

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wut

Alright, I agree with you, though you do seem to have a bit of an air about your posting. Classy though. Don't change it for the world. <3

I myself suffer from fanboyism of the Sony variety, though perhaps by being aware of it I'm able to keep it more in check. It's not the passion or brand loyalty that causes the harm though but rather the desire to ensure that others can't feel a similar passion for another product. I'd honestly say it's the console-warfareof the past you mentioned that best explains this; there are a lot of youth on the internet, and much as we did with our friends when we were in the same age group they argue and promote their own ideals with the best logic they have: circular. It may very well be a fact of life that young gamers love their own and scorn others, or it may not be. But when you come across an older community (such as Destructoid or for the most part NeoGAF) it seems that even when fanboyism is present it's kept in check with a distinct awareness of it's presence. Opinions are respected here (in most cases).

Really, what I'm trying to say is this comment is BIAS.
Sounds like Joystiq was said site in question... People still go to Joystiq?

But I'm going to keep my response short and sweet. I do think the gaming community deserves to better itself through opinions and questioning the mainstream. Unfortunately the growth of the industry has also brought in a larger community of people who simply believe marketing smokescreens and succumb to groupthink. This is what made the Xbox 360 so successful despite it being the most unstable piece of hardware in recent memory (or history, argueably) and also what led to XBox Live becomming a charged service when it should be free. Same could be said about the growth of the Wii despite its lack of quality software.
While we all strive to be are own unique person, deep down what we really want is for everyone to agree with us so that we can validate our beliefs. You may respect a person's conflicting opinion, but in reality you either feel threatened or pity for what they think. It's human nature. Right guys??
@Celicacrazed As terrible as that sounds, I think it's just about right on the button.
How dare you disagree with my shaky beliefs BURN IN HELL I'LL EAT YOUR CHILDREN
^ sums up most fanboy flamewars, I suppose.

I dunno, the whole bit about everyone's opinions being louder than ever on the Internet is extremely true. Several years ago, some yahoo in Kansas or wherever could hate on my favorite system and I would be none the wiser. Nowadays, you can take off your pants and shit all over a topic and watch the fires burn miles away.

I had a point there, but I'll keep rambling because that's what I'm good at.

Anymore, I've taken a more apathetic approach to the console wars. I picked my pony and I'm going to run with it--the Wii. Not the heavy-hitter or anything, but I'm not about to gnash my teeth in anger when someone says "waggle" or mentions how it has zero games anyone would want to play whereas their system has 50,000 of the greatest titles EVER MADE (and also your mom is a dirty whore lol). *shrugs* I like to play games--can't we just accept that and move on? Who cares what I like? I thought that was something only I needed to worry myself about...
Unfortunately, the anonymous nature of internet makes certain individuals act in ways that wouldn't be tolerated normally. Personally I've always tried to be respectful of others opinions on the web and I think Dtoid is one of the better gaming sites to have a discussion.
I like to believe Destructoid's community is more willing to debate back and forth opinion on topics in an open and honest matter as opposed to "fuck you, your system sucks and so do you" type of silliness because I have had many polite disagreements with other people's opinions and it never devolved into fanboyism. More like sarcastic jabs at each other but in the end we just agree to disagree.

I know there are the trolls that Jim Sterling seems to attract, but I've never had the reason to respond to them as they are pretty easy to spot around here, hehe. Sorry to hear about your past experiences on other sites... maybe you can try out the Gamefaqs forums?? Haha, I kid. I kid. Hope you like it here.

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