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Xenogears vs. Final Fantasy VII
gregatrons | 11:47 AM on 02.09.2009 40 comments




Recently, I started replaying one of my all time favorite RPGs, Xenogears. After trudging the through the first few hours of the game (fuck that cave and its stupid switches), I was soon sprinting through the story and gameplay. However, in this new gaming market rich with FPS's and shallow casual games, I forgot what a true Role Playing game was like.

The story is so immersive and fun. True, the game had a low production value so the second disc is more like a book than a game. But even still, the game is so elaborate and involved that you can't help but get swept away by its mythos. The characters are all intriguing for their time (aside from Chu-Chu...that pink firby-bitch is so adorable I wanna puke rainbows and sunshine whenever it shows up on screen). Bart with his badassness, Rico with his badassness, Bill with his badassness, Citan with his (post-sword gaining) badassness. There is just a lot of badassness. But, of course, with all this pushing the game toward pure video game excellence, one tugging question remains: is it better than Final Fantasy VII?



After doing some research (i.e. voicing my opinion to see who retaliates), I realized these two games are always compared. And with good reason too. They both have rich, prolific storylines that question faith, religion and morality. They both came out around the same time by the same video game publisher. They both have the emo protagonist with a split personality disorder. And they both have incredible video game soundtracks known to date. But which is really better? I'm still unsure...but when I have more time to blog about it, I'll let you know my opinion. Until next time...



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Diverse's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 12:07
Diverse
I would love to see a Xenogears port to the PSP. I would rock its socks off.

Also, FFVII isn't that great.
BulletMagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 12:11
BulletMagnet
I never did click with XG back in the day - the fact that once you learned a more powerful combo/deathblow/whatever all your previous ones were pretty much rendered useless in particular didn't sit well with me. Same goes for Legaia. Plenty of people do like the game though, so I might just be missing something, heh heh.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 12:21
Gen Eric Gui
FF7 is a terible game, Xenogears wins by default.

The best part of Xenogears, IMO, is that towards the end of the game, Fei is so powerful he can headbutt gears while on foot and defeat them in one attack.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 12:37
Qraze
a terrible game? what the fuck are you smoking? i still have yet to play zenogears so i can't really vote. i hope square will put it in the us psn store like they did for the japanese store and i'll be able to play it.
Lightthrower's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 13:09
Lightthrower
If you understand the true story of FFVII, then both games are on par, but sadly most people do not know the true story of FFVII, so i'd say Xenogears would win.
NegFactor's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 13:12
NegFactor
Xenogears was a great game, minus the inability to scroll text quickly if you can read faster than the slowest of slow.

Final Fantasy 7 was a GOOD game. Not a great game. Not amazing. It had the materia system, which was a very nice idea for skill learning. It had some interesting battles for its time. But really...I played it back in the day, I enjoyed it, I tried it again in the last couple of years, and couldn't even begin to enjoy it like I did before.

A great game will outlive its console. I still play DW3 now and then for the enjoyment I get out of it. FF4 is something I can play anytime and enjoy. Thing is, a 40-60 hour game has to be really good to warrant consistent replays through it. If FF4 got stretched out to that length, I know I'd still play it. FF6 did get stretched to that limit, and I WILL play it again.

As for Xenogears, give me an advancing text version of the game and I'll love it long time. Long game is long, but also compelling.
thefil's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 13:28
thefil
Xenogears is a horrible game, and so is FFVII. MY favourite game is only-my-opinions-about-the-years-1990-to-2000-regarding-RPGs-are-valid.
gregatrons's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 13:59
gregatrons
@ Solgrim:

I think you're confusing the definition of "emo." To me, emo means being a whiny little bitch and complaining about things incessantly. So I don't think Cloud was emo at the beginning of VII. On the contrary, I loved Cloud at the beginning of VII. It was towards the middle and the end and ESPECIALLY in Advent Children that he was an emo bitch.

As for Fei, after the whole Lahan incident he, understandably, became hesitant to fight. I could empathize with that at first, but after a while his nagging and moaning just became more text that I'd hurriedly bypass. So, while he was a man and was more emotionally open than Cloud, he was still, in fact, emo. I mean, wouldn't someone being emotional make them...you know...emo? Hence the name?

Oh yea, as for the avatar, I just joined so I haven't had the chance to get one. And by the looks of my profile not loading, I'd say I'm stuck with the default for a while.
gregatrons's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 14:03
gregatrons
so forget that last bit about the avatar. genius me just discovered that whole scrolling device these here computer machines are doin' nowadays.
Lightthrower's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 14:11
Lightthrower
Yay crocodile human head thingy avatar! Welcome to Destructoid Gregatrons!
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 14:12
SephirothX
I love how all of the people who defend Xenogears always say that "its a great game excluding *insert flaw here*" and that flaw almost always seems to be different.

Xenogears was boring and I did not enjoy the game nor have I enjoyed the Xenosaga games either. They are all quite mediocre. Yes, I know *points to username* I like FF7, its my favorite game. But I will even say that FF7 might not even be the best game in the FF series (FF6 is the only one I would say could top FF7). But FF7 is still better than Xenogears.
Lightthrower's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 14:28
Lightthrower
@Sephiroth

Hoho i got a quizz for you Sephiroth since it's your favorite game. Who is the true vilain of FF7 and the one who schemes everything? *hint - the answer isn't in your name*
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 14:59
pedrovay2003
See, and Xenogears is out on the Japanese PSN for like $6. If they brought that here, then boom, PSP version of Xenogears.
Piellar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 15:05
Piellar
I'll probably get flamed to hell, but Final Fantasy 7 is far from being my favourite. I hated that they made Jenova a half-time boss, I hated the over-emphasis on Cloud's "coolness" when he's just an immature guy with problems dealing with his emotions. The general "let's walk around the world looking for the bad guy" storyline that makes the post-Midgar game is just as shallow as any Dragon Quest game's. Is the game receiving such praise because it displays 3D characters with cubes for hands? Yeah, the materia system was great, but then it's just an improved magicite system that was in FF6...

</rant> ^_^
rpbowlinggod's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 15:18
rpbowlinggod
they are both my fav. for different reasons but the nod goes to Xenogears for the fighting system and most importantly, the music. Oh god it like dripping sex into my ears. The first time I got to Shevat to...well anywhere. So many memories.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 15:43
EternalDeathSlayer
I prefer Final Fantasy IX over both of these, but of the two games I'd take FF7 if I had to choose one.

Still, both games are great IMO.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 15:51
Aurain
*THIS POST WILL HAVE SPOLERS FOR BOTH GAMES!*
and swearing.

Xenogears is the game Final Fantasy 7 wishes it was.

Xenogears has a fairly unique graphic style (some might say bad, I say fuck you!), Amazing story, Amazing Battle System. The Music, mindblowing.
*SPOILER CITY TIME*
Grahf...How amazing is Grahf?
He first appears and he pops up a worm, after giving his monologue. "Doth thou desire the power?"
Fuck yes I do.
Then he comes and he fucking kicks your arse.
Then he whoops you again, and you still love him.
And then it turns out Grahf is Wiseman and you're like HOLY FUCK!
And then it turns out Wiseman is your dad and your like HOLY FUCKING FUCK!
And then it turns out that Grahf is basically you from 500 years ago (Without elaborations) and you're like HOLY FUCKING FUCKING FUCK!
And then Elly leaves and you're like FUCK! I levelled her up!
And Sephiroth is like, Meh, I'll sit in a crater and destroy the planet in the most time consuming way possible.
Grahf is the pinnacle of Gaming.
*SPOILERS END HERE!*
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 16:04
Mushman
Even though I am FF9 lover, I never played seven, so I cannot comment on if I like it or hate it. The same goes for xenogears, I have never played that :(

I do wish both games get released on the EU/US store, so I can experience them both.
Shoop's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 16:04
Shoop
FFVII is a pretty mediocre game, so Xenogears wins by default.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 16:39
Gen Eric Gui
I like how somebody came out with the "if you understood the REAL plot of FF7 you'd know it wasn't a bad game!"

I know the "real" plot of FF7. Jenova is the real villain, Hojo starts everything, Sephiroth is dead the entire game, blah blah blah. The game was still awful and the story was still stupid.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 16:42
Aurain
"@ Aurain: IF you love Grahf so much, then why don't you marry him! huh!?"

The paperwork was going through, until the government said I can't marry a computer game character =/
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 17:04
Wexx
Fei > Cloud.

For all intensive purposes, Final Fantasy VII is more widely recognized by people, so it is the more relevant game. I'm only about halfway through Xenogears right now, and I already enjoy it more than VII (The prerendered backgrounds in VII made my throw up, not even joking). and while the themes and stuff are still in VII, Gears, I feel, is just presented more skillfully (despite the fact that its money got cut due to that stupid Final Fantasy Movie) than VII.
Puppy Licks's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 17:29
Puppy Licks
Robots win :)
snotrocket's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 17:48
snotrocket
The real question is " why does either one have to be better than the other?" what should really be done is compare the quality we had to the shitstorm we call games now!
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 17:57
Qraze
you guys saying that zenogears is better? come on! have you not heard the screaming demands of a ff7 remake? how about crisis core? advent children? if zenogears had a more heartfelt scene halfway thru that changed the whole perspective of the game than mention it. how come zenogears didn't get a sequel if it was so much better? y'all are fucking horseshit and trying to hard to be anti-7. who is perhaps the most famous villain in a video game aside from bowser? it ain't kefka.
gregatrons's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 18:37
gregatrons
ok stop spelling Xenogears with a Z. Its spelled with an X people. An X.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 20:07
pedrovay2003
@Qraze

While I would like to see an HD remake of FFVII, every single sequel, prequel, and spinoff has been totally unnecessary.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 20:11
Gen Eric Gui
Qraze: Yes, because the "hooting fanboy" clique is obviously the best group to turn to in regards to selecting the finest quality gaming experiences. Be mindful that these are the same caliber people complaining about the Shotgun nerf in GoW2 and who teamkill in Left 4 Dead. Yes, let's let their opinions decide which are the best games.

And Sephiroth is famous because he's pretty and has a "cool" long sword. If you think -anything- else you're wrong. Especially given that the people who actually read the storyline understand that he isn't even the damn villain.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 21:53
Qraze
he's the antagonist of the game, sephiroth drives the game. and i would love to play Xenogears, i have heard good things about it but FF7 will always have a special place in my heart that few games can compete with. ff12 is my favorite ff to date though. sorry for being a tad dickheaded but i just can't believe it until i play it.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 21:54
Qraze
he's the antagonist of the game, sephiroth drives the game. and i would love to play Xenogears, i have heard good things about it but FF7 will always have a special place in my heart that few games can compete with. ff12 is my favorite ff to date though. sorry for being a tad dickheaded but i just can't believe it until i play it.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 21:55
Qraze
he's the antagonist of the game, sephiroth drives the game. and i would love to play Xenogears, i have heard good things about it but FF7 will always have a special place in my heart that few games can compete with. ff12 is my favorite ff to date though. sorry for being a tad dickheaded but i just can't believe it until i play it.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 21:55
Qraze
he's the antagonist of the game, sephiroth drives the game. and i would love to play Xenogears, i have heard good things about it but FF7 will always have a special place in my heart that few games can compete with. ff12 is my favorite ff to date though. sorry for being a tad dickheaded but i just can't believe it until i play it.
GamingGoddess's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 22:42
GamingGoddess
Couldn't get into Xenogears-- I'd heard for years that the story was phenomenal, but the graphical style really irked me-- it was like the worst of both sprites AND 3D, and that's hard to do. Eventually I started playing it out of a sense of duty, but twenty hours in I still wasn't enjoying it, and I had yet to see this great story that everyone kept talking about: It was different, but not particularly interesting.

I'm not saying that it was a bad game, and for all I know the latter portions of the game were brilliant-- it just didn't grab me. Things might have been very different if I'd played it when it first came out.

Also, about FFVII-- yes the story is widely misunderstood, but I honestly don't think it makes a huge difference-- the really important parts of the story are fairly clear. IMO it's FFVIII that's the real misunderstood game in the series, and that's for reasons that run deeper than translation errors.
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2009 22:48
Crunshii
This blog violates the fabrics of Space Time Continuum. YOU CANT COMPARE THESE 2!!! By default, FF7 was one of the best FF ever that transcended JRPG to the world beyond belief.

Xenogears is the one truly opened JRPG that combined robots/religion/myth/science/human nature all into one. More of a Inner Zen feel that made you realize "Holy Shit! everything I believed was a LIE!" Then you wake up from the matrix kinda style thinking.

Seriously, whether you have a preference of one vs the other, you can't say one was better than the other. This 2 games was what made Squaresoft so great before their downfall.
JRisJunior's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/10/2009 00:20
JRisJunior
wish i was able to play Xenogears back in the day. I wasn't hardcore enough of a gamer to care about it. but now, things have changed.
Anus Mcphanus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/10/2009 07:06
Anus Mcphanus
I love both games but to me FF7 is the better game. I love the whole materia/create your own class system and I prefer the overall story.

The second disk of Xenogears sucks balls though when it goes into that book mode. It's still a phenomenal game though. Shame it was never released in Europe :-(
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/10/2009 10:36
Aurain
People like Qraze shouldn't really be allowed in a thread like this if he hasn't played one of the two games the article is about.

To make it worse, He's somehow quadruple posted his pretty crappy post, which is unlike Qraze, cos he's normally a pretty good contributor. (no sarcasm)
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