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Team Fortress 2: I Have No Items, and I Must Scream
goliathonline | 11:45 PM on 09.02.2009 15 comments


So, valve has deleted all items obtained via idling.


There should have been some indication that this was wrong, but really what we got was the exact opposite. First with achievement servers, valve said nothing. apparently it was ok to obtain these achievements via other means. Then with idle servers, for 4 months, valve said nothing. Seemed to me that this was ok too.


It's not really the halos for people who were simple unaware of steamstats that annoys me, or the fact that I lost my 1 hat, it's the fact that most of us deleted lower level items in favor of higher ones. I personally have a grand total of 3 fucking items in my inventory now. All of the regular items I obtained legitimately by achievements, but they are all gone now.

There should be a button on each milestone, if you've unlocked the milestone you can click the button to spawn the item in your inventory at the base level.


Anyway.

This whole thing is moronic really. The system is broken, it takes so long to get a hat even while idling, the time it takes without is multiplied many times over.

I have been idling since a week after the initial hat patch, 4 months ago, every day every night. I just leave my old dell on 24/7 when not playing. When I want to play I exit the program and play on my main pc, then when I was done I would just launch it again on the dell.

Thousands and thousands of hours spent, only 1 hat obtained
A system based completely on chance doesn't work. It is mathematically possible to play until the end of time and never obtain a single item. Even Blizzard realized this was a bad idea with World of Warcraft.
I was originally going to post a scaled version of my steamstats log to show you how many hours were spent rolling the dice and coming up short to beter prove my point, but really, it's just too long.

They should instead just put in some insanely hard achievement for each hat. Like burn 9,000,000 players for the pyro fireman's hat. Or lite up 500,000 spies within 10 seconds of sapping a sentry for the pyro's engineer glove hat. etc..

These are long term goals that are achieved through basic play. PLAY which is what valve apparently wants. They also don't encourage playing like a moron, like ubering spies, as other achievements do..



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's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 00:20
Clint
Valve really taught me a lesson. I lost all of my 7 extra Sandviches I got through idling :(
flabzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 00:39
flabzilla
Stop wasting electricity for pretend hats! >:(
10BobMarleys's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 00:45
10BobMarleys
Isn't it stated in the EULA that bots are not allowed? I feel SO sorry for all the cheaters that got caught out. Really, SOOOO sorry. Whah.
Lurfadur's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 00:50
Lurfadur
And here I was thinking that the point of the game was to have fun playing it. Silly me, turns out it's all about hats...
the GAMEGOBLIN's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 01:20
the GAMEGOBLIN
ahahahahahahaha

Oh man, and you've been idling a lot too Scary, that's gotta suck
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 01:25
ajaxender
I agree with you 100000%, and I never even used the idle program (oh yay, I got a halo... doesnt even work yet, on the servers I like to play on). Valves retarded item system drove people to the idle servers, their total silence on the matter implied that they didnt care (even if they didnt like it), and now they're just abusing their power and being cruel.

I still like Valve in general, but the TF2 team is rapidly losing the plot.
Benki's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 01:31
Benki
The hats are RARE. It's a low percentage because you have to be patient and keep playing, and you will be rewarded with such a nice thing.

I can't say much, I idled little bit too, but I'm not too bothered about them taking away my one hat, I got what was coming to me. I find it quite humerous how everyone got halo's though, haha.

But whatever you got deleted that you obtained from the idler, well, we all deserved that one tbh, sorry that you deleted previous items for others (for level, which is kinda stupid anyway) but that's how it is.

I'd just like to say, fuck the halo anyway, I HAS ME A MEDAL. <3
10BobMarleys's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 03:43
10BobMarleys
The drop rate is 5%, meaning if you play the game 20 times, you're likely to get something. Those odds aren't that bad for someone who actually plays enough to give a shit about a hat.
Soulwax's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 06:46
Soulwax
@10BobMarleys

The drop rate was actually much lower (about 0.05%) but now because of the idling valve have increased the drop rate to something like 1%.

Also, the idlers should be given dunce hats or devil horns.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 07:10
GoldenGamerXero
Valve was wrong this time. The players idling weren't cheating or abusing the system at all! None of them were out right hacking the game just to get a stupid hat or anything. If you do everything legally and then they say absolutely nothing about it, leave the severs clearly labeled to do such a thing then when they change their minds they don't give any warning then yes for the first time in a long time. Valve is wrong.
goliathonline's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 09:59
goliathonline
"we'll remove all of their items. If you're interested, only about 4.5% of the players in TF2's community will be affected by this cleansing process."

This comment annoys me too.
What are they getting this number from? Everyone who has bought the game ever?

I'm sure a majority of the saintly 95% don't even play anymore, or at least don't play much at all. It's also highly likely most people who didn't idle were simply unaware that such a thing even existed. From all the of playing I have done since yesterday it seems like about 60% of players don't have halos and the remaining 40% do.
Really the only people who care about this kind of thing are people like me, who have been playing since beta and play for about an hour every day.
This punishment is inadvertently aimed directly at the very active core.
FAILCAST's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 09:59
FAILCAST
and all my items disappeared
Joanna Mueller's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 13:16
Joanna Mueller
@ Flabzilla, I honestly laughed out loud at that.
TrickyNicky's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 14:26
TrickyNicky
Whats even funnier is you can see a cloaked spy's halo for about 2 seconds after they are fully invised. Thanks Valve!
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