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Please just stop it with the best videogames ever lists
garison | 8:32 PM on 06.09.2009 37 comments




If really irks me when guys like IGN, and GameFAQs make top (insert # here) best videogames of all time lists. How is it possible to pick just one game of all time, and put x number of games in subsequent order of quality?

Videogames aren't like a a group of high school kids being graded in a math test where each student is being marked on the exact same things. You can't really compare videogames to each other in terms of quality because, well, they are all different from each other.

In GameFAQs' currently going on "Best. Game. Ever." contest thing, it's come down to Ocarina of Time, and Final Fantasy VII. Both games are completely different from each other, while Zelda is an action adventure(?) game, FFVII would be a classic turn based RPG. Both games have different things going for and against them, and they both do different things for their own genres, so why compare them?

Is it just that people are always searching for order and classification? Why can't a really good game, just be a really good game? Take Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Galaxy for example. I would consider them both very good games, but is one really better than the other one? I think that some people might like one more than the other, it would be impossible to choose which one is actually the better game.

What do you guys think, are "best videogames ever" lists worth our time as gamers, or are they just a big pile of horse shit?



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Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 20:45
Monodi
Theya are a pile of horseshit because:

1. It is absolutely subjective

2. Final Fantasy VII and Ocarina of Time will always be on top even when much better titles existed

3. I almost have never seen Beyond Good & Evil, Grim Fandango, EarthBound or even Gunstar Heroes being in a list.


They are just included so people still fall that the site actually cares about games when they actually put Halo 2 on #10 out of 100. Totally better than Half-Life 2 yeah
Hamza CTZ Aziz's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 20:46
Hamza CTZ Aziz
Serious. Stop it. We all know that Barbie's Horse and Me is the best game evar anywayz
Artemus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 20:47
Artemus
Those super lame, long lists are incredible horse poo.
Period.
Joanna Mueller's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 20:49
Joanna Mueller
I agree that the lists are pretty worthless as they tend to just be the same story over and over. Google any "10 best video game villains" list and guess what? 7 out of 10 are the same on every list you find. Same for best overall games and female protagonists. It's all been done to death.

I can still enjoy personalized, "My 10 favorite game characters" or "8 RPG's to play before you die" type of stories that don't claim to be the end all decision, but I wouldn't mind if gamesites would quit pretending that regurgitating the fact that many people enjoy Final Fantasy and Zelda makes for a good story.
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 20:56
Discarded Couch Sandwich
I enjoy them for the nostalgia trip, and I think that's why they're still around. In my mind, I belive that trying to cast two entities I think are brilliant into a hierarchy of which one is "better" is a ridiculous notion, so I try not to take these things too seriously. Because that would be stupid.

The main reason they should die I think is to erase some of the inane moaning that comes out of these things. It totally doesn't matter why Goldeneye was two points ahead of *insert favourite Mario game* in a list of what is essentially fapservice, but time and again, this kind of rambling has to be endured.
RAB's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 21:13
RAB
NEVER.
Jonathan Ross's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 21:23
Jonathan Ross
Chrono Trigger. Discussion over.
Chocobo Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 21:28
Chocobo Knight
It's either these type of competition polls or 'Which side did you wake up on today?'.

Which do you prefer? ;P
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 21:36
SilverDragon1979
Best Game of ALL TIME .......



What could possibly be better then a game, based on a movie, based on a game, that was NEVER ACTUALLY FILMED! There ya go. All lists are forever worthless. You have your #1 game of all time!
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 21:37
Monodi
@Jonathan Ross

DEBATABLE
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 21:40
garison
@Silverdragon: I efing love you so much. That game was freaking awesome!

/retrose tinted
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 21:45
MrSadistic
why don't you stop doing whatever you are that you're doing

take that
's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 21:49
Clint
Yeah, it always comes to FF7 and OOT. No offense to them (I <3 'em both) but there were better games before and after. Best game ever really comes down to opinion though.
goodgamer77's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:02
goodgamer77
I think the reason these lists persist is because blog readers like things in numbered lists. For whatever reason Top 10 lists are imminently more readable because they break a lot of information down into bite-sized non-blocky-paragraph chunks.

Also, they offer really good fodder for people to discuss (or flame and argue over) in the comments which is good for bloggers paid on a comment basis.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:11
Shin Oni
It's hard to figure out "The. Best. Game. Ever." when gamefaq leaves it to the fans/trolls/kids to vote...just sayin.

though I do wish they'd stop this. Along with that "character battle" shit. It's literally a slap in the face to many gamers.
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:13
DF
So why have a contest at all if they're gonna end up with Cloud vs Link at the very end like every year? Though there was that one time that L-Block won the character contest. Though that's another Link vs Cloud vs Sephiroth vs someone else I don't care about. *shrugs*

I've noticed that most of the daily top ten lists on that site are rather old, or maybe it's just me.
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:21
BlackSunEmpire
The reason these keep being made is because you have to be a top ten list to make it onto digg. And making it onto digg is the be all and end all of games/web based journalism.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:24
Clint
@Forte
I've never even understood how Link is a good character >.< He doesn't speak, has no personality other then heroism (although you gotta love Wind Waker Link's expressions) and the only thing he has going for him is an icon, but by that token Mario and Sonic are great charecters as well :P
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:27
Chris Carter
You know what sucks? Top tens.

You know what's incredibly subjective, and automatically will generate hits? Top tens. Just ask Games Radar.

Boo doom chhh
RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:39
RonBurgandy2010
Hell, my list would have games like GUN, SSX 3, Black and Alter Echo in top spots. Lists don't matter.






Then again, neither do blogs that we write and post here for people that don't know us and likely don't care to read about what we think about different subject matters...



But what the hell, list never hurt anyone. They tend to be interesting when getting to know someone.


Just so we're clear, that second paragraph wasn't a shot at any specific person or party here, just at the irony that we are discussing the meaninglessness of lists in a blog.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:43
Kyousuke Nanbu
http://instantrimshot.com/

Use that next time magnalon.

And for a best game ever to made 2 things need to happen.

Games have to stop being made.
Everyone MUST pick that one game.

Neither of which will ever happen.

So count me in the horseshit pile.
Tronjoy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:49
Tronjoy
I see your point, but I don't know. Making top ten lists is kinda fun! But there is a difference between writing a "Top Ten Best Games EVAR" list and "My Personal Top Ten Favorite Games". The first implies that there's some kind of standard of truth, the second one just applies to you and how much weight you put on certain qualities of a game (For instance, my number one favorite game kinda sucks in terms of gameplay, but it terms of nostalgia and the feelings I have associated with it, it beats out all others).

So, in short I guess I should of said, "I agree conditionally!"
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:51
vexed alex
AGREED!
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 22:53
Dan CiTi
best game ever is MGS2 I don't get why there is a debate anymore.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 23:03
Monodi
@ScaryWomanizingPigmask

As a Zelda kid I am forced to give you a decent explanation.

Link is mute, self determined and strong. We love it for being adventurous and brave, but most importantly, it easily shares our body on taking his role solving puzzles, slaying Dinolfos and collecting rupees.

It's a great character because we get easily fused with that character.

However I can't disagree the Hero of Winds is fucking amazing.
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/09/2009 23:54
garison
@Monodi @SWPM

FUCK YES TOON LINK!
Cough's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/10/2009 00:46
Cough
Good top 10 list include personal opinion and they're not designed to please the audience. Also, "top 10 games you never played" work too.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/10/2009 01:08
Qraze
i have my favorites but i also refuse to personally review, judge or rank my favorite games, they don't deserve that imo. i agree with you on why can't great games be just great games.
Mr Gilder's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/10/2009 08:28
Mr Gilder
What really gets me a about this list is the way that somehow they change every year, but not in a logical way.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/10/2009 09:37
PappaDukes
The most ironically funny part about these lists is that they run them over and over. If you run one list to find the "best.game.ever", then any subsequent lists are fucking retarded! You already determined the "best.game.ever" WHY DO YOU NEED TO START ANOTHER PULL NEXT MONTH!?
welkstar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/10/2009 09:49
welkstar
I enjoy lists.
Bulkmailer's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/10/2009 10:15
Bulkmailer
I can't get enough of them myself.
Zippyduda's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/10/2009 11:29
Zippyduda
It's odd you should say this as yesterday on the bus my friend started talking about GameFAQ's 10 ten games list and told me they were doing another FF7, OOT etc. list.

Then we all had a talk about it. We concluded OOT would win anyway (or FF7) even if we didn't want them to (we all love them but would rather have other games win that we talked about).
themizarkshow's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/12/2009 04:38
themizarkshow
I vote on their site everyday for no real reason. I should probably stop, but I love voting for stupid stuff and comparing my opinion to others.

If they do the best game ever sort of thing again, they need to do it by genre. Or at least time frame. A "best game of 200X" voting thing would be much more interesting and wouldn't be as confusing as trying to compare an NES game to a new game.
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