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A gay gamer's opinion on homosexuality in videogames
garison | 4:27 AM on 07.16.2009 72 comments




[SPOILER ALERT -- This post includes minor Persona 4 spoilers.]

After reading Colette's news post about EA's panel on homophobia in games, I got inspired to write about my own opinion on the subject.

What exactly is it that makes some people so up tight about homosexuality? Is it the human species' natural fear of anything different, or is it something that is learned when growing up? Could it just be the fact that men and women being together has always been the "right thing to do", a mix of all the above or something completely different?

Sure, today is a lot better than it used to be for the gay community, at least you won't get killed for kissing another guy in public anymore, but we still have quite ways to go before homosexuals have equal rights, and the first step is to address these types of things in the media. Take videogames for example, if developers would just put the the option to play as a gay character in a game, that would help a lot. This would work great especially for sandbox games like GTA, or RPGs like Mass Effect or the Final Fantasy series.

Actually, this is sort of already happening with Rockstar's announcement of GTA IV: The Ballad of Gay Tony DLC, supposedly being released this fall. Pretty much all we know so far is that you play as a guy named Luis Lopez, and you work for the "legendary nightclub impresario Tony Prince (aka "Gay Tony")". We haven't even seen a trailer yet, so for all we know the game could totally push forward acceptance of homosexuality in games, or be totally distasteful and push it back a couple miles.

During research, I stumbled across an interview with Chris Vizzini, the creator of gaymer.org, and he said the main reason he started up the site was because of frustration while playing on Xbox Live. With constantly hearing homophobic slurs like 'faggot' and stuff like that, it can get pretty frustrating, and it can feel really lonely. He thought there must be other gamers out there like him, so he started up his site, and it now has thousands of visitors a month.

Take RPGs for example, there usually is a love story right there in the open, but almost all of the time it is between a man and a woman. It just makes sense to have a straight relationship in a game, because most gamers are, well, straight. With the multi-millilion dollar budgets that games have these days, financially it's not really the best idea to put a homosexual relationship as a main story line in a game, potentially alienating a large portion of the game's audience.

Some devs do it right, for example in Persona 4, it really surprised me when it came time to rescue the big masculine bully Kanji Tatsumi from the tv world. For anyone that doesn't know, when a character get kidnapped into the tv world, the character's true emotions come through and it turned out that Kanji is actually like, flamingly gay.

But it turns out that you never actually find out Kanji's actual sexuality, once you rescue him and take him back to the real world, he just turns back into violent old Kanji. Some people say that he actually is a closet homosexual, others say it was just his way of rebelling against himself or something, but it's all open for interpreation.(For more information, Dtoid community member Superflossy wrote an article on Kanji over at Gamesutra.)

I'm not gonna lie, it can be pretty saddening being a gamer in today's times. There are quite a few hardcore gay gamers out there, and we love the medium just as much as the next person, and we just want videogame storytelling to live up to it's full potential.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of the Destructoid Community is not gay, but I would really like to hear your opinions on this subject. Would you be interested in playing a game with a gay relationship involved, or would that gross you out?



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vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 04:46
vexed alex
I've been around enough gay people to know that I won't be bothered by a gay video game character even if I'm playing him. It would actually be really interesting to experience.

Also, I voted Democrat. This automatically means that I love gays, unlike Ron Paul and the rest of those filthy Libertarians.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 04:56
Mike Moran
Really hard to say if I'd be interested in playing a game with a gay relationship in it. I guess it'd really depend on what kinda gay we're even talking about. Are we talking about two scruffy bearded mountain men falling in love? Because if so, I think that's about as creepy a thing as humanly possible.
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 04:57
Technophile
I absolutely would. It would be something new, but I would hope it would be done respectfully. I would hate for it to be just shoved in my face over and over and treated like it's this amazingly big deal that the relationship was gay. I would really hate if the marketing and buzz surrounding it made it into some huge deal. This of course, would probably happen anyway, but as long as the game itself treated it with respect, then I think that would be great. It's a relationship and it should be treated with the same respect any other relationship would.
Ckarasu's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 04:58
Ckarasu
I don't have much of an opinion on the subject. I wouldn't care if I played a gay guy, so long as there's no kissing scene (I don't really mind, it's just that it's kinda uncomfortable to see. Same thing with a guy and a girl kissing). Of course, there was one particularly offensive character named Makoto from Enchanted Arms. Every time he talked, I felt like punching him in the face.
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 05:08
Topher Cantler
Great article Garison! People are such pussies. In an age where characters and narrative in games have become so mature and developed that many titles can rival movies and books in terms of plot, I really don't get why this bothers anyone. It's not like they're making you play a blowjob minigame. Why anyone is still taking issue with this is beyond me, unless they're closet homosexuals themselves, which is probably often the case.
HerosPlayDumb's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 05:08
HerosPlayDumb
Great article and I wouldn't have a problem with playing as a gay character in a game. It was already possible in Fable 2 and Mass Effect and I had no problem playing through either of them as a gay character. Even with a love scene it wouldn't bother me at all. That's just me though, it's almost impossible to offend me or make me uncomfortable. Some people are straight, some are gay, and some are bisexual and that's just the way it is. I am straight but I have no problem with people of a different sexual orientation and few of my very good friends are gay and it doesn't change anything about them. Also @ckarasu I also hated everytime Makoto talked but overall Enchanted Arms was not a good game IMO.
Ckarasu's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 05:13
Ckarasu
@HerosPlayDumb: I liked Enchanted Arms. The only problem was the HORRENDOUS dub. It was just awful to listen to. Thankfully, they put a Japanese voice option. And yes, Makoto was a TERRIBLE character.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 05:41
Chris Carter
Garison! I wish this didn't have Persona 4 spoilers: I was so excited after your announcement tweet. Ah, what the hell I'll read it anyway....


Nice read! It wouldn't gross me out at all if more homosexual relationships were built up in games. In my opinion, you should be able to choose in an RPG type game like Fable if you want to do that based on your own personal preferences. It's only fair!
PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 05:48
PhazonYoshi
It's mad. But I can't help but feel it's similar to the whole "girl gamer" thing - obviously if your gamertag is "IAmHomosexual82", you're almost asking for verbal abuse. My nick isn't "IAmAWhiteMale91232", because it's unimportant. It's fucking stupid anybody thinking differently of you because you're gay (well, except in... some ways ;)), but sites like gaygamer, imo, do nothing to alleviate the issue.
Mainly because of the name, like I say.

However, yes, I'd love to see more homosexual relationships in games. Hey guys, they DO happen! Let's have some mature games that are actually mature, in that they touch on complex subjects, and have truly interesting narrative, not because you could fill a bathtub with the amount of blood from one gunshot.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 05:49
vexed alex
@Magnalon: I was always under the impression that you could be a homosexual in Fable.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 05:51
Chris Carter
@Vexed
I think you can, but not as extensively as you can be heterosexual. Like, I don't think there's a way for him to be a stay at home husband, or adopt kids with him (I think they're just one night stand types of deals). Where as heterosexuality is a main questline so to speak, homosexuality is a sidequest.

I think...haha. I don't remember it being as big a deal as heterosexuality, which is what I'm getting at: equal representation. I didn't spend too much time in that game, I kind of hit it and quit it.
parsleyboots's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 06:23
parsleyboots
I wouldn't mind seeing a gay relationship portrayed in a game at all; it's certainly not something that would "gross me out" or put me off buying a game.
The funny thing is now you've got me thinking about it, I can't recall an unequivocally romantic heterosexual relationship portrayed well in any of the games I've played either. By which I mean mushy stuff, real huggin' and a-kissin', you know. Heartfelt declarations of love, that kind of thing.
The most romantic relationship I can recall is that of Link and Marin in Link's Awakening, but it's not as though that game was Link's Sexual Awakening.
We need more love in games! (Or I need a better memory, one of the two. Somebody set me right.)
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 06:31
Kyle MacGregor
Great article, Garison. I think society will get there some day. There have been leaps and bounds over the past few decades and I think this trend will certainly continue. Like any issue its about dispelling the myths and getting the word out there changing one person's mind at a time.

NVGR but, after the Academy Awards I drove down to see my grandparents and they asked me what I thought of what Sean Penn said in his acceptance speech. I said I agreed with him (Those who stand firm in their hated, oppose equal rights for all, and anyone who voted for the ban on gay marriage in California will be shamed by their grandchildren), which opened a can of worms.

It basically came down to them saying that it's just unnatural, marriage should be between a man and a woman because they can produce children. I countered:

A. the world is over populated and people should adopt more anyway. If those kids can get loving homes with which to grow up in a healthy environment they should be afforded that opportunity.
B. Homosexuality occurs in nature and can be seen through many species of animals.
C. both of their third marriages and they didn't have any children...

"We're old and if we didn't get married our friends would have shunned and fallen away from us for living in sin."

I kind of just shook my head and realised I wasn't going to get anywhere. The doublestandard was in place.
Tha_Meat's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 06:55
Tha_Meat
I dressed Cloud up as a girl when I was 14, so I'd prolly be cool with it.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 07:02
TheToiletDuck
It would be hypocritical of me to say that i would be grossed out by homosexuality in games but i am very weary of how they approach it.

I think it's a matter of approaching homosexuality tastefully, and creating REAL homosexual characters i.e. people that are not defined solely by their sexuality.

From what i've seen, homosexuality has primarily been approached as:

a) Comedy Act, i.e. almost every gay character in japanese games that acts like drag queens or Tom of Finland (e.g. Cho Aniki). To be fair this is probably a Japanese culture thing.

b) titilation as in the case of the Fear Effect advertising campaign, or Samus' implied homosexuality (this is up to debate whether this is purely for titilation but given that Samus is clearly a Nintendo sex symbol, i'd rest my bets on it being fanboy fantasy fuel).

I want homosexual representation in games but i don't want it to act as flamebait to the homophobes (i had a similar feeling after seeing Bruno).

As a side note about GTA4, i was surprised to see people praise of it's inclusion of homosexual characters and how they approached it. If i remember correctly, the first clearly stated gay character i met in the game seemed normal enough and i was required for the mission to shot him in the face with a shotgun.

So i'm torn between really wanting homosexual in games, or just saying "do it right or don't do it at all".

However, I understand we have to start somewhere, and it all helps towards it becoming a matter of fact character feature, rather than ZOMG he loves bears! (i.e. Kitty N's ending in Bust a Groove.. hehe although i did secretly think that was awesome :P)
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 07:08
TheToiletDuck
hmm, that's the longest comment post i've posted ever.

Forgot to add thanks, for starting a discussion that (so far) hasn't degenerated into "gays shouldn't get special treatment, Haloz rules!" etc..

I always want to comment thoughtfully on posts of this nature when they go to the front page, but i just can't see it worth my time with all the hate bullshit that goes on over a 100 comment thread (even at the good ship Destructoid)
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 07:53
TheToiletDuck
also, grammar.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 07:54
Nic128
"Forgot to add thanks, for starting a discussion that (so far) hasn't degenerated into "gays shouldn't get special treatment, Haloz rules!" etc.."

There isn't any of these idiots here, the Destructoid community is awesome. There's a majority of understanding people here, which is how you can solve the problem.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 07:57
Tubatic
Hell yes I would!

I've always believed that inclusion in entertainment media goes a long way for society as a whole accepting anything.

Its something that I really enjoy about Valkyria Chronicles. Without making a huge fuss about it, they've included about half a dozen squaddies that you can choose to add to your group that are gay, whether openly or quietly. Japanese games seem to trend toward exaggerated stereotypes, but VC hass a nice background story for everyone in your squad. As a result, every one just feels that much more like a relatable character, no matter how different they are from the player on the surface.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 08:09
Daxelman
No shit character development, make him/her/it interesting in the first place, I'm game.
Alasdair Duncan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 08:14
Alasdair Duncan
I wouldn't mind seeing a gay relationship in a game at all. The only thing that bothers me is that most deveopers can't seem to actually make a mature straight relationship work, let alone a gay one.
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 08:30
SurplusGamer
re: persona 4, I agree to an extent that it handles the gay stuff around Kanji fairly well, but it does seem to wimp out in the end rather than committing to it, which makes it seem somewhat disingenuous.

More than that, though, Yosuke makes several pretty homophobic remarks during the game, especially during the camping trip - but you never get the chance to call him out on it, it's like it's just fine for him to be saying these things.

In fact, at one point he says something to Kanji about 'we're both gonna be scared' with him sleeping in the same tent, and I wanted to say 'hey, don't speak for me!' but it never gives you the chance.

Also, for a game that lets you decide what friendships and relationships you want to work on, it seems a shame that there are no same-sex ones available... it wouldn't have been too hard to do.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 08:56
JACK of No Trades
It would be funny and disturbing to see the guys from Gears or Killzone swapping kisses after each kill.
RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 09:24
RonBurgandy2010
Huh, I didn't know you were gay. Shows how observant I am.
greks224's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 09:32
greks224
It can be done, and it should be done if a developer really wants to make a deep narrative about the subject. I feel like the first big steps needs to be made before the baby steps. Once a game is made (and well-accepted) which uses homosexuality as a key plot point (e.g. a protagonists battle with identity, acceptance, etc.), then developers will be ready to put in more nuanced approached to homosexuality in video games. Think about the way that blacks have entered the media. Serious movies were made about race in order to make people (a) think about it and (b) accept blacks in the media (without lampooning their existence).
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 09:46
Elsa
I'm Canadian.. we have Gay marriage here, and in my HR career I worked with many Gay employees. In games I think that where there are options for romances, with the large size of today's games, I don't see a reason why they couldn't add in an option for a gay romance as well as a straight one. I also think that there's no reason that they couldn't simply show more gay couples in games. We come across happily married NPC's all time... why not a gay couple?

As Phazonyoshi said though... I think in regards to online play and the name calling, it really is similar to the "girl gamer" issue. Most of the name-calling is not personal... I don't know why "faggot" or "bitch" is an insult among some guys... or why saying something is "so gay" seems to be a negative. It's a cultural thing that seems to spring from shows like South Park, Family Guy, etc., and it's an oddity in a culture that has a fairly widespread acceptance of people being gay.

Anyway, I do think more positive portrayals of gay characters in video games can help lead to more tolerance in general.

Great post Garison!
Tascar's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 09:48
Tascar
I'm personally waiting for a mainstream game to feature a meaningful and realistic depiction and representation of homosexuality. However, I really don't trust this to happen anytime soon simply because of the immaturity of our society as a whole with regards to homosexuality. It seems kind of unrealistic to expect from games what even a "mature" artform like film rarely does right.
Sentry's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 09:48
Sentry
I wouldn't be interested in playing a game that includes a gay relationship or romance SOLELY because of that single factor. The games I choose to play tend to have far more to do with qualities like appealing mechanics, unique or attractive aesthetics, or simply looking like they'll be fun or entertaining. It seldom has to do with content, and on those occasions where content DOES sell me on a video-game, I could see a homosexual relationship being just as interesting to me as a heterosexual relationship, so long as it was well-written and weaved cohesively into the context of the game's plot.

Truth be told, I seldom care about relationships in games because they're usually superficial or circumstantial and occupied by stock, interchangeable characters. Despite the fact that I'd be less able to personally identify with a gay relationship, I'm no more or less "interested" in it because of the sexual orientation of the character I'm playing.
Sean Carey's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 10:06
Sean Carey
Excellent post, Garison!

To answer your question -- so long as the gameplay was up to snuff there's no reason why playing a gay MC would make me avoid a game.

The sad part is, even if a dev stepped up to the plate and did it justice in a subtle way (by which I mean a natural part of the storyline/gameplay, and not a controversy to generate sales), the majority of gaming press and internet in general would label it as the "gay game".

I think it'll happen, but society still has a long way to go. Again, great post.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 10:32
SilverDragon1979
Great post Garison. I'm not sure what I can add that hasn't already been said. I agree with a lot of people's thoughts here.
de BLOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 10:40
de BLOO
Great write up.

Insert a paragraph here, but people have already said what I wanted to. :]
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 10:44
DF
There's only been one such relationship in a game I've played, and that was Fable. Wasn't necessarily official, but I don't think you could get married (it's been a while since I've played), but you had to get your attractiveness to such high levels that it was a "everything that moves wants you" kind of thing. So I dunno if that really counts.

But that aside, I wouldn't mind seeing a relationship like that work, provided it's done tastefully.
Trev's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 11:08
Trev
Most of the time, I just don't like who my character is supposed to be interested in; that NPC being a guy isn't really going to help that. If it were a couple of NPCs, and they handled it in an effective manner I think it would be alright. Then the relationship isn't hobbled by my not caring. If the story is effectively written, it could be about anything. Basically what Sentry said, only with more disinterest in relationship plots in general.

@Elsa
I've always taken most of those things as ironic and I think plenty of other dtoiders do as well. I know there are people out there that use them seriously and sometimes someone will actually manage to be solidly offensive, but in general they just end up looking like idiots. They are fun and easy to mock, and in doing so we can give our friends a hard time. I think I'd feel pretty bad if I said something that actually offended them.
none's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 11:30
none
The same argument could easily be made for black main characters. The 'typical' gamer is seen as a straight white male in his teens or 20s. As games progress as a media and more people come to gaming, and more people grow up with it, that notion will change I'm sure. It will take time before you have the option of playing as a black woman, or a gay asian. But I would like to see that happen.
RiotMonster's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 11:30
RiotMonster
Awesome write-up.
What De Bloo said.
TriplZer0's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 11:49
TriplZer0
As long as the story is good, I couldn't care less whether or not the main character is gay. It doesn't bother me and I think if it's done well it could lead to a deep, emotional game.

Now if some studio decided to appeal to a gay market with something potentially ignorant like Fashion Design Hero 6 featuring a gay protagonist, I'd skip it. Just because that sounds like a really boring game.
SuitcoatAvenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 11:59
SuitcoatAvenger
Very good article. I find it interesting that the general consensus is that the character you are playing as is straight, even in many games where there is no plot development to suggest so. I mean, who's to say what sexual preference the main character in Far Cry 2 is?

...

Or Gordon Freeman, for that matter.
Tristero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 12:18
Tristero
You should play Mother 3. Without giving away too much, there's definitely some LGBT themes and suggestive moments dealt with in a thoughtful and unique way. The games' creator even explicitly stated in an interview he was hoping to give comfort to kids playing the game who felt different or ostracized. Highly recommend it.
Tristero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 12:20
Tristero
Never mind. I just saw that one of your favorite games was Mother 3. Shows how much I pay attention. :)
DJDuffy 's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 12:31
DJDuffy
Nice read, garison! Yea I mean there's been a few examples of gay characters in gaming, Rockstar also sort of did it in Bully where you could kiss a boy. Also in Mass Effect there is lesbian sex scenes, woooot!

As a feminist and as a lesbian, I totally know where you are coming from. Not only are games usually super straight, but generally have lead male characters. I would love to see more strong female role models in the games we play, and maybe some who like girls too :) Yea I'm also from Canada like sumone about mentioned, we do have gay marriage and stuff so we are a bit more ahead in some areas.

I feel like with the current swing of homebrewed games on XBL and whatnot, more developers will be able to make the games they want, and hopefully that means some gay games will be made in that evolution.
D Sane's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 12:47
D Sane
The way I look at it, the only way to really make things on an equal playing field is to have no love based relationships in games at all. That way, the game isn't favoring gay or straight relationships and it's catering to no one which also means it's catering to everyone.

For example: Mario doesn't have to save Peach because he loves her, he could just be saving her because it's the right thing to do. Of course, the Mario series has always been pretty shallow in the story department, so maybe that wouldn't work for more complicated story based games like RPGs that rely heavily on the relationships between their characters.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 13:10
Monodi
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with gay people. As for putting them on gaes, I just don't like it much because developers are not too ready to put them without making them over-exposedly gay. I mean, games should include gay people but they don't have to be exaggeratedly open in leather pants and crotch swinging.

I think a good example of it should be to make them obviously gay but not to make a huge spotlight about it by making the character simple as they also look like normal people.

Thereare rumors that Ike from the Fire Emblem games is sublimely gay by being very rejectful to many women. If that is true, I am very happy with Intelligent Systems for making such a sneak.

Unfortunately mediums will find gay characters and do an alarmist overreaction like the racial tags in Resident Evil 4 and recently Left4Dead 2 (if that's not a bullshit reaction to generate views), also there is Fox News which is againt alien rape and Grand Theft Auto.

Again, maybe the industry is not that ready for it yet, developers jsut have to be smart and brave enough to include those characters and plots without slipping it big.

I have expressed before that I am so straight I think I could have dangerous relationships; but gay people, as strange they could look for anyone including me, still could be pretty awesome guys.

PS: I suspected you were gay by joining some puzzle pieces but now it's kinda official hehe
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 13:11
Monodi
Oops, I meant Resident Evil 5, but you get me.
Zippyduda's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 13:13
Zippyduda
I wouldn't mind having a gay relationship in a game, however I know there are plenty of people who wouldn't like it.

I'm sure the Yaoi crowd would be ecstatic :P
BS3 Owner's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 13:17
BS3 Owner
@ Monodi

Well said.
Also, FOX news Suxorz!!!

@ Garison25

I know headsets bite over PSN & XBL.
It is truly pathetic the shenanigans that go on.
HydroTonix's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 13:20
HydroTonix
Veeeeeeeery Interresting. Good points little buddy. :)
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 13:25
Takeshi
I'm Dutch.

That pretty much sums up my stance on everything gay.
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 13:27
garison
Wow, great comments guys! You guys are awesome.
Funktastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 13:32
Funktastic
If you're still up for it, rather talk to you about it at PAX and all, since it's easier in person . . . =P
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2009 13:36
pedrovay2003
It'll be great when the day comes that we don't even have to point out the fact that someone is gay. We just take it as it comes, just like we do with everyone on a daily basis.

I definitely wouldn't mind playing as a gay person in a game, as long as the game is good. Same thing I say about all games. :)
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Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!