I do not agree that The Joker would have, at some point, given up for his final "horrah" against Batman. A sort of final duel where they both died, and it was announced to the world that Batman was finally defeated by his nemesis.
However, the actual encounter did blow ass. It was absolutely dreadful. Making the final boss thugs was unbelievably stupid. I couldn't believe it considering how AMAZING everything was from "the party" until that point. Joker's throne, the TV bomb. All of it was amazing until...you know the rest.
It's interesting to see some more Batman fanboys come out of the woodwork though <3 - Hamill>Ledger>Romero>Nicholson.
However, the actual encounter did blow ass. It was absolutely dreadful. Making the final boss thugs was unbelievably stupid. I couldn't believe it considering how AMAZING everything was from "the party" until that point. Joker's throne, the TV bomb. All of it was amazing until...you know the rest.
It's interesting to see some more Batman fanboys come out of the woodwork though <3 - Hamill>Ledger>Romero>Nicholson.
I agree. It makes me think that they felt the need for there to be some kind of combat with the Joker. Like they got to the end and thought "Well, Batman has to "fight" him" and as anyone that follows Batman even remotely they should know that always ends in failure. Sure, the Joker can "hold his own" but against the Batman, mono e mono? Hell no. Batman would tear him apart.
You hit the nail on the head with the scarecrow. His arc was very satisfying and perfect for his character. Which makes it so much more bizarre that they would screw up the Joker when they had an excellent template there already.
Gah, I could go on for days. Here are my ideas for "final boss" fights that end in combat (which is what they seemed to want) and still would have worked.
Joker sics Clayface on Batman for the fight and Batman apprehends the Joker before he gets away. The end.
Joker sits up on his throne while you fight a group of big guys. Joker just messes with you during the fight throwing bombs and such.
Croc enters the scene and you fight him while the Joker tries to escape.
All those would have worked better and still would have been the "big boss fight" that they apparently wanted.
You hit the nail on the head with the scarecrow. His arc was very satisfying and perfect for his character. Which makes it so much more bizarre that they would screw up the Joker when they had an excellent template there already.
Gah, I could go on for days. Here are my ideas for "final boss" fights that end in combat (which is what they seemed to want) and still would have worked.
Joker sics Clayface on Batman for the fight and Batman apprehends the Joker before he gets away. The end.
Joker sits up on his throne while you fight a group of big guys. Joker just messes with you during the fight throwing bombs and such.
Croc enters the scene and you fight him while the Joker tries to escape.
All those would have worked better and still would have been the "big boss fight" that they apparently wanted.
@Techno
I stared into Clayface's cell for like 15 straight minutes and tried to free him. He's easily one of my favorite villains of all time. I think that would be a great ending!
I stared into Clayface's cell for like 15 straight minutes and tried to free him. He's easily one of my favorite villains of all time. I think that would be a great ending!
@Technophile
They could have even just given Joker a bunch of gadgets and had you fight him in some place he booby trapped real good. I would suspend my disbelief if they wanted me to think Joker could go up against Batman with some time to prepare if I knew this would be the alternative. And I just realized they didn't even need to mutate the Joker for the crappy fight they wanted. It's mostly thugs anyway, you could just change it a little and AAAAAGH.
And apparently Joker's greatest weakness is his vanity, I have no idea where the hell that came from.
They could have even just given Joker a bunch of gadgets and had you fight him in some place he booby trapped real good. I would suspend my disbelief if they wanted me to think Joker could go up against Batman with some time to prepare if I knew this would be the alternative. And I just realized they didn't even need to mutate the Joker for the crappy fight they wanted. It's mostly thugs anyway, you could just change it a little and AAAAAGH.
And apparently Joker's greatest weakness is his vanity, I have no idea where the hell that came from.
Overpowered boss battle ending? Disappointing? Hmm, if only they'd made it a bit more cerebral... ::pokes Magnalon::
I'm just not going to get around to playing this one anytime soon, and, since it really is a poor ending, I'll be fine knowing its coming while I enjoy what sounds like a real solid experience otherwise.
Gordon vs Batman though? That would have been kind of epic, if they built it up properly.
I'm just not going to get around to playing this one anytime soon, and, since it really is a poor ending, I'll be fine knowing its coming while I enjoy what sounds like a real solid experience otherwise.
Gordon vs Batman though? That would have been kind of epic, if they built it up properly.
@AOK
Personally, that's what I would have preferred. A booby-trapped to hell and back silent predator challenge essentially. That would have fit with the Joker AND it would have been satisfying.
Personally, that's what I would have preferred. A booby-trapped to hell and back silent predator challenge essentially. That would have fit with the Joker AND it would have been satisfying.
I was actually expecting more of a complaint on the "out-of-character" part. Which I will argue that it really isn't, since you spent most of the game ruining Joker's plan, so he did the only thing he could do, which was inject himself with the Titan stuff. But seeing a complaint about how much the final boss sucked? I can understand that, since you never fought him head-on so it was very anticlimactic.
And I liked the Poison Ivy fight, if only because it was different from the "fight a giant Titan-fueled guy for the umpteenth time."
But I love how they made the Scarecrow parts far too much, so I can just overlook the final part of the game. Let me tell you, it's a pretty strong love for me to do that.
And I liked the Poison Ivy fight, if only because it was different from the "fight a giant Titan-fueled guy for the umpteenth time."
But I love how they made the Scarecrow parts far too much, so I can just overlook the final part of the game. Let me tell you, it's a pretty strong love for me to do that.
@Jack
I have a really hard time determining what's out-of-character for the Joker, just because he's so batshit insane. Was it out-of-character for this incarnation, which was basically a slightly darker version of Hamill from the animated series? I don't know,I would think Joker would do everything he could not to A) Lose or B) Fuck himself up, and if he really did exhaust all his options, maybe he would do that to himself...?
Or, you know, just try to shoot Gordon again. Yeah, that would work.
But really, if the Joker does something unexpected, I'm willing to go with it, as long as it doesn't completely screw up everything the game's been building towards and fundamentally change what I love about the character. Oops.
And yeah, the Poison Ivy fight was fine, and at least it was creative in that the goons you were fighting were brainwashed guards.
I have a really hard time determining what's out-of-character for the Joker, just because he's so batshit insane. Was it out-of-character for this incarnation, which was basically a slightly darker version of Hamill from the animated series? I don't know,I would think Joker would do everything he could not to A) Lose or B) Fuck himself up, and if he really did exhaust all his options, maybe he would do that to himself...?
Or, you know, just try to shoot Gordon again. Yeah, that would work.
But really, if the Joker does something unexpected, I'm willing to go with it, as long as it doesn't completely screw up everything the game's been building towards and fundamentally change what I love about the character. Oops.
And yeah, the Poison Ivy fight was fine, and at least it was creative in that the goons you were fighting were brainwashed guards.
Frankly, I just can't figure out why they didn't use the opportunity to do a balls-to-the-walls homage to the end of The Dark Knight. A vertical tower-level covered in thugs and hostages, filled with destroyable walls and ventilation shafts, and Joker at the top with his finger on a detonator. Straight-up-don't-get-caught-or-blow-it-all throwdown. Inverted takedown on Joker, or pulling his pasty ass over a railing with the ultra batclaw would have been 10X more appropriate than "we ran out of time, here's a bossfight bonus round".
@SuitcoatAvenger
OH MY FUCKING GOD YES. Forget what I said about possible alternatives, that's how they should have ended the game. Way to fuck up an opportunity for the best stealth level of all time, Eidos. Damn it, now that I know it could have ended perfectly I'm even more pissed.
OH MY FUCKING GOD YES. Forget what I said about possible alternatives, that's how they should have ended the game. Way to fuck up an opportunity for the best stealth level of all time, Eidos. Damn it, now that I know it could have ended perfectly I'm even more pissed.
im pretty sure i saw batman inject himself with the titan cure after he resisted the initial change.
i kind of see where youre coming from though. i felt the same way about every boss fight. it's just beat on the thugs and then whomp the boss a bit.
that said, having the end game as a giant challenge room ending with jokers capture would have felt anticlimactic in opinion. something like that might work in a film or comic book but in a game? nah, i think i'll always prefer a standard boss fight. which is why batman vs titan gordon with joker chucking bombs and such would have been a better idea. still, on the whole im more nitpicky on the general length of the game.
in regards to how titan joker is 'out of character' the one thing i love about grant morrison's writing is his portrayal of the joker as constantly reinventing himself, complete with origin, motives and way of operating. hence campy joker in clown cars one minute, psychopathic murder the next. basically what im getting at is though the game never mentions it, serious house on serious earth is where this notion is first mentioned and seeing as everyone loves to bring it up in comparison with this game, i feel arguing joker taking a titan shot as being out of character is irrelevant if we subscribe, like i do, to morrisons portrayal of the joker personality disorder. this version of the joker is obviously very willing to mutate himself.
i kind of see where youre coming from though. i felt the same way about every boss fight. it's just beat on the thugs and then whomp the boss a bit.
that said, having the end game as a giant challenge room ending with jokers capture would have felt anticlimactic in opinion. something like that might work in a film or comic book but in a game? nah, i think i'll always prefer a standard boss fight. which is why batman vs titan gordon with joker chucking bombs and such would have been a better idea. still, on the whole im more nitpicky on the general length of the game.
in regards to how titan joker is 'out of character' the one thing i love about grant morrison's writing is his portrayal of the joker as constantly reinventing himself, complete with origin, motives and way of operating. hence campy joker in clown cars one minute, psychopathic murder the next. basically what im getting at is though the game never mentions it, serious house on serious earth is where this notion is first mentioned and seeing as everyone loves to bring it up in comparison with this game, i feel arguing joker taking a titan shot as being out of character is irrelevant if we subscribe, like i do, to morrisons portrayal of the joker personality disorder. this version of the joker is obviously very willing to mutate himself.
All good points, and I like what Garbz said too. When I finished the Ivy fight I was excited about getting to that final battle. First I thought I would have to go through a long gauntlet of some kind to get to the joker, nope not so much. Then after it was all said and done I thought "that was it?" I didn't die once during that fight. Normally last boss fights test all your wits that you've used throughout the game, this one not so much.
That scratched, let's admit that this had a lot of what more Batman games needed. To make him scary as it was originally planned on the early comics. Making the thugs drop like flies in the stages was phenomenal.
The problem with the ending was that there was no other logical way too end the game... Yeah it could have been normal Joker vs Batman, but that would have been lame simply because Batman would have beat the fuck out of him for 5 minutes or if you would have had some detective like "solve this elaborate trap and catch Joker" ending, it would have been super anti-climatic.
In a pure video game "boss" sense, Joker is a terrible boss simply because he has no qualities that make him an enjoyable video game enemy but instead a great storyline enemy. Villains like Freeze, Clayface, Hush, fuck even Jason Todd would make better video game bosses for Batman.
In a pure video game "boss" sense, Joker is a terrible boss simply because he has no qualities that make him an enjoyable video game enemy but instead a great storyline enemy. Villains like Freeze, Clayface, Hush, fuck even Jason Todd would make better video game bosses for Batman.
I thought the boss fights we're brilliant. But I'm biased as fuck.
What Sephirothx said ; The Joker is a manipulator , he uses people to fight for him and uses Batman aswell. He's a jok .... er.
I'm glad they're thinking of making a sequel.
What Sephirothx said ; The Joker is a manipulator , he uses people to fight for him and uses Batman aswell. He's a jok .... er.
I'm glad they're thinking of making a sequel.
@Seph
Did you play The Animated Series SNES? Jetpack Joker was passable.
However, Clayface took the cake in that same "boss gauntlet level". Also, blog more <3
@Kraid
When I wrote my review, I also noted I LOVED the bossfights other than the stupid Titan generic enemies. Honestly, I thought they were great.
Did you play The Animated Series SNES? Jetpack Joker was passable.
However, Clayface took the cake in that same "boss gauntlet level". Also, blog more <3
@Kraid
When I wrote my review, I also noted I LOVED the bossfights other than the stupid Titan generic enemies. Honestly, I thought they were great.
@Magnalon
I've been busy so I can't blog more! Plus DToid still keeps giving me lots of malware alerts, and I dont like running Malwarebytes everyday! Secondly, yeah Jetpack Joker was alright... but I doubt people want a recreation of an old classic battle either.
I've been busy so I can't blog more! Plus DToid still keeps giving me lots of malware alerts, and I dont like running Malwarebytes everyday! Secondly, yeah Jetpack Joker was alright... but I doubt people want a recreation of an old classic battle either.
Hmmmm... I've yet to see the ending. Haven't beat the game just yet, still searching out riddles. Basically taking my time and enjoying the sights and sounds.
It's about the journey, not the destination, guys. Right?!
That reminds me of The Chad Concelmo Smile Pose. =)
It's about the journey, not the destination, guys. Right?!
That reminds me of The Chad Concelmo Smile Pose. =)
I've been watching a friend play this game and it is awesome. I must buy a copy.
What you've got to remember is that these are still DC characters attached to a DC universe, that last time I checked is pretty weird about killing off characters permanently. I about about the Scarecrow parts, they were impressive, with some nice nods the MGS Psycho Mantis fight there.
While we like Batman and the Joker going toe to toe, it was always going to be a problem, just like with the films. Remember the original Batman movie, where the Joker dies at the end supposedly? Yeah right. DC characters don't really die at all, as the concept of death in superhero works is tantamount to a vacation. When making a super hero game, its always a problem, that melee enemies are killable, but the main villians are not.
What you aren't saying Ace, is how you would have concluded the game, with a better boss fight or none at all, because whatever you do, the Joker is not going to die. In Arkham, he's already in jail, so the punishement point is a bit mute, and suppression is Batman's answer anyway.
There's always room for improvement, and I hope when Eidos do a Batman sequel (I'm betting they will, because Tomb Raider is still dying a death), that they give you an open Gotham, GTA style with more places to visit and villains, new and old, to tackle. Next time, perhaps Eidos should create some of there own game only characters, to go up against Batman.
If the ending was lacking, I'd forgive them, because its Batman and you know the story isn't over, and his adventures will also continue in comics, until we see the next game that is.
What you've got to remember is that these are still DC characters attached to a DC universe, that last time I checked is pretty weird about killing off characters permanently. I about about the Scarecrow parts, they were impressive, with some nice nods the MGS Psycho Mantis fight there.
While we like Batman and the Joker going toe to toe, it was always going to be a problem, just like with the films. Remember the original Batman movie, where the Joker dies at the end supposedly? Yeah right. DC characters don't really die at all, as the concept of death in superhero works is tantamount to a vacation. When making a super hero game, its always a problem, that melee enemies are killable, but the main villians are not.
What you aren't saying Ace, is how you would have concluded the game, with a better boss fight or none at all, because whatever you do, the Joker is not going to die. In Arkham, he's already in jail, so the punishement point is a bit mute, and suppression is Batman's answer anyway.
There's always room for improvement, and I hope when Eidos do a Batman sequel (I'm betting they will, because Tomb Raider is still dying a death), that they give you an open Gotham, GTA style with more places to visit and villains, new and old, to tackle. Next time, perhaps Eidos should create some of there own game only characters, to go up against Batman.
If the ending was lacking, I'd forgive them, because its Batman and you know the story isn't over, and his adventures will also continue in comics, until we see the next game that is.

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