I really can't understand why they wouldn't include SH1 in the bundle.
Your comments on each trilogy are far more insightful and well-reasoned than the raging fanboyism you ascribe to it. An awful lot of Konami's choices just... don't make any kind of rational sense. I understand that their choices are motivated by maximizing marketability for content they've already produced and we've already seen, but... yeah, I don't get it. Maybe we're outside their prospective consumer-blast-radius.
And go team Mustache Dad!
Your comments on each trilogy are far more insightful and well-reasoned than the raging fanboyism you ascribe to it. An awful lot of Konami's choices just... don't make any kind of rational sense. I understand that their choices are motivated by maximizing marketability for content they've already produced and we've already seen, but... yeah, I don't get it. Maybe we're outside their prospective consumer-blast-radius.
And go team Mustache Dad!
I can understand your complaining for the Silent Hill (especially this one) and MGS (a bit iffy on this, but oh well), but not so much on Zone of the Enders. Your complaints for the first two HD collections in this post, were mostly because of the games they chose that didn't make that much sense. For Zone of the Enders they included 2/3 games, according to your blog post, since I don't know much about Zone of the Enders. That's why I'll take into consideration that Zone of the Enders 1 may not have been a great game, nor was the other game missing from this collection, however, at least it makes sense chronologically, right? Which is what the biggest complaint for the first two were.
I'll probably buy Zone of the Enders HD collection, as I never got to experience those game and I'll probably pick up the Metal Gear Solid one as well, since I never experienced those as well. The Silent Hill HD collection, I'll leave up to my mother to decide (since she loved the first Silent Hill game) and was horrified to even try and play any of them.
I'll probably buy Zone of the Enders HD collection, as I never got to experience those game and I'll probably pick up the Metal Gear Solid one as well, since I never experienced those as well. The Silent Hill HD collection, I'll leave up to my mother to decide (since she loved the first Silent Hill game) and was horrified to even try and play any of them.
The lack of the PS1 titles for SH and MGS seem like a mistake. A voucher for the PSN versions would've easily sweetened the pot. I never played SH so I'm not really looking forward to it, but other 2 have me sold. Sadly, I never got around to finishing any of the MGS games so here's my chance. My experience with ZoE2 was limited to my friend occasionally letting me borrow it (I didn't play it until about 2 years ago. It's aged remarkably well.) so owning my own copy is a must.
Wait. Only SH2 and SH3? They leave out my favorite MGS game?
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I'm buying ZoE Collection in a heartbeat though.
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I'm buying ZoE Collection in a heartbeat though.
Is it required to play the first ZoE game in order to truly appreciate the second? If so, than that alone will justify me playing it.
The only real problem with the Metal Gear Solid and Silent Hill collections is that they exclude the first game to either series, and still call themselves THE collection. If it was called "Silent Hill 2 & 3 Double Pack", than that would pretty much solve the problem.
The only real problem with the Metal Gear Solid and Silent Hill collections is that they exclude the first game to either series, and still call themselves THE collection. If it was called "Silent Hill 2 & 3 Double Pack", than that would pretty much solve the problem.
@Jaded
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I find Peace Walker a pretty good fit, actually - it continues the story of MG3 pretty well, and IIRC was the only PSP game Kojima worked on. While the Portable Ops games were good, I find PW a really solid (sorry!) choice.
The SH collection is pretty baffling - leaving out SH4, Origins (which WAS a PS2 game as well!), AND Shattered Memories (ditto for PS2, AND a SH1 reboot as well!) is ridiculous. Still, I'm sure most people will grab this for SH2 alone. Hopefully they'll add SOMETHING else in (art? movie?), but the brand itself is pretty solid, so I doubt it).
I find the ZOE to be the middle ground - 2 games, one good (ZOE1), one amazing. Although I would hope that this and the SH collections were priced at ~$30 each.
If they come out with a second SH collectin, though, THAT will be a significant slap in the face.
The SH collection is pretty baffling - leaving out SH4, Origins (which WAS a PS2 game as well!), AND Shattered Memories (ditto for PS2, AND a SH1 reboot as well!) is ridiculous. Still, I'm sure most people will grab this for SH2 alone. Hopefully they'll add SOMETHING else in (art? movie?), but the brand itself is pretty solid, so I doubt it).
I find the ZOE to be the middle ground - 2 games, one good (ZOE1), one amazing. Although I would hope that this and the SH collections were priced at ~$30 each.
If they come out with a second SH collectin, though, THAT will be a significant slap in the face.
@Gnarlythotep: Peace Walker is definitely one of the best MGS games; it's right up there with MGS3 and 4. Now MGS fans who don't want to buy a PSP can play this game! ...On their TV!
And I agree that for the ZoE and Silent Hill collections, $30 each would be much more reasonable.
And I agree that for the ZoE and Silent Hill collections, $30 each would be much more reasonable.
I don't have a problem with Peace Walker getting placed on PS3 before Portable Ops. PortOps, I've heard, isn't the greatest and Peace Walker, from my own experience, could have been better with some online co-op.
Giving gamers the ability to play Peace Walker to it's fullest is just amazing. As for Silent Hill, why 1 and 4 aren't on the collection is beyond me. 1 is the best in the series, regardless of what anyone says, and 4 is noteworthy for how different it is, despite not being good. Why not just include them all?
Giving gamers the ability to play Peace Walker to it's fullest is just amazing. As for Silent Hill, why 1 and 4 aren't on the collection is beyond me. 1 is the best in the series, regardless of what anyone says, and 4 is noteworthy for how different it is, despite not being good. Why not just include them all?
Despite the protests, I'll probably end up picking them up as well at some point, not at full retail release price, but once it drops, I don't know if I'll be able to resist titles I love/loved and don't own.
They could absolutely fit all the ps2 SH games into one bluray. That's just tomfoolery.
I'm really torn about a remake of the first MGS. They story behind the creation of Twin Snakes is touching, but the game itself was arguably offensive. Is it possible to see a current-gen remake of the same game twice?
I'd love to see a full scale, modern interpretation of the first two Metal Gear games, though. The same goes for RE2 & 3. RE-make should serve as an example for every remake every made, IMO.
I'm really torn about a remake of the first MGS. They story behind the creation of Twin Snakes is touching, but the game itself was arguably offensive. Is it possible to see a current-gen remake of the same game twice?
I'd love to see a full scale, modern interpretation of the first two Metal Gear games, though. The same goes for RE2 & 3. RE-make should serve as an example for every remake every made, IMO.
@Droenixjp
Yeah, the ZoE collection is kind of the odd man out in this argument, but my issue with it isn't that it's poorly compiled like the other two. My problem is that what's been compiled simply isn't worth $40. Second Runner is arguably worth $20, and I stress arguably, but ZoE1 is not a hallowed classic that's impossible to find, and doesn't deserve such a steep price tag. The collection really needed another game or some really swank bonus material to justify that kind of expense. So I hope that makes a bit more sense. I wasn't begrudging how it was put together, just how it was priced.
@Kidplus
I agree, a voucher for a PSN/XBLA download really would've sweetened the deal and made these collections feel a bit more substantial. I think Japan's MGS comp is getting a voucher system for the first Solid, so there's a slim possibility we could see something similar. It would really help make these feel more like collections instead of weirdly haphazard cash-grabs.
@Playhangman
Yeah, I agree. ZoE's the most likely one I'll relent and pick up, too. Just, not while it's forty bucks :/
@Sorrows Neptune
Eh, you don't really need to play ZoE1 to enjoy the second one, it just might flesh out the experience a little. ZoE2 introduces a new protagonist who brings a lot of shadowy baggage to the story, most of which has no precedent in the first game. A lot of the cast members did appear in ZoE1, particularly the villains, but you don't really learn much of their back stories until the second one anyway. Second Runner is a self-contained story, it just might be slightly richer with the first game's context.
And I totally agree, I don't think I'd be quite as flustered if they had called these things what they are, an HD two-fer (or three-fer) combo pack -- like the kind you see at Wal-Mart where they saran-wrap two DVDs together and sell them for ten bucks -- instead of the much more ambitious "Collection" moniker.
@Enkido
I suspect from your unusual speech patterns that you traveled here from a distant, parallel conversation. Do they wear silvery jumpsuits and ride sky-cars in your conversation, blog-jumper? Do you come to tell us of a coming faux paus that will certainly destroy our conversation unless immediate action is taken?
@Gnarlythotep
I partly agree, PW does continue MGS3, but it's not the direct sequel -- Portable Ops is. Even if it's the better game, it's still out of sequence with the rest of the compilation. And all the games must match OR THE FLOOR WILL BECOME LAVA. Also, if Hideo ever wants to retire from directing the Metal Gear series like he keeps swearing up and down he wants to, he needs to not do stuff like skip over non-Kojima-helmed titles. His protests sound pretty weak after pulling that. "Oh, another one? I couldn't possibly..."
I think you hit the nail on the head -- $30 just feels like a much more reasonable asking price for ZoE and SH (And for that matter, $40 for MGS). When Sly Cooper and Prince of Persia are asking $40 for trilogies, I'm not seeing what those extra ten dollar are going towards, unless Konami thinks their games are inherently worth more than everyone else's?
I suspect that if this Silent Hill pack sells well, they're going to do something similar to Square's late nineties PS Final Fantasy comps, and basically pack two games per compilation on a peripheral that could hold the entire series on one disc.
@KingSigy
I agree that bringing Peace Walker to the PS3 is a good move, and I'm a big fan of the PSP porting push as a whole (...wow, that was alliterative...), but unless they adopt the Japanese ala carte method for the North American release, we're going to have to buy the whole anthology if we want just the one game. And if it's a matter of package deal or no deal, I want the package to be a complete, well thought out set, not a grab-bag of disparate sequels.
And I'm right there with you (Though 1 is my second favorite in the series). Had this set been SH2, 3, 4, and a voucher for 1, I would probably have been fine with a $50 price tag. But this? Pass.
@graey
You touched on the real reason these sets are all hodge-podgey like this, and it's because some guy in marketing figured out this arrangement will maximize profit in the immediate future, but...yeah, it all seems a little short-sighted and stodgy. And yeah, I'll probably pick up one or two of these eventually, but well after retail drops.
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@Arttemis
I agree, the making of Twin Snakes was way more palatable than the actual game, which should have been re-titled "The Night the Back-Flip Died."
Typically, I don't care for remakes and bitch about them frequently, but RE-make is the epitome of what remakes can and should do. It made a campy, dated genre-curio into a gorgeous, terrifying survival-horror tour-de-force. It's a real tragedy RE2 and 3 didn't get the same treatment (any idea why that never happened?). I would've loved to have seen what they did with Nemesis!
Yeah, the ZoE collection is kind of the odd man out in this argument, but my issue with it isn't that it's poorly compiled like the other two. My problem is that what's been compiled simply isn't worth $40. Second Runner is arguably worth $20, and I stress arguably, but ZoE1 is not a hallowed classic that's impossible to find, and doesn't deserve such a steep price tag. The collection really needed another game or some really swank bonus material to justify that kind of expense. So I hope that makes a bit more sense. I wasn't begrudging how it was put together, just how it was priced.
@Kidplus
I agree, a voucher for a PSN/XBLA download really would've sweetened the deal and made these collections feel a bit more substantial. I think Japan's MGS comp is getting a voucher system for the first Solid, so there's a slim possibility we could see something similar. It would really help make these feel more like collections instead of weirdly haphazard cash-grabs.
@Playhangman
Yeah, I agree. ZoE's the most likely one I'll relent and pick up, too. Just, not while it's forty bucks :/
@Sorrows Neptune
Eh, you don't really need to play ZoE1 to enjoy the second one, it just might flesh out the experience a little. ZoE2 introduces a new protagonist who brings a lot of shadowy baggage to the story, most of which has no precedent in the first game. A lot of the cast members did appear in ZoE1, particularly the villains, but you don't really learn much of their back stories until the second one anyway. Second Runner is a self-contained story, it just might be slightly richer with the first game's context.
And I totally agree, I don't think I'd be quite as flustered if they had called these things what they are, an HD two-fer (or three-fer) combo pack -- like the kind you see at Wal-Mart where they saran-wrap two DVDs together and sell them for ten bucks -- instead of the much more ambitious "Collection" moniker.
@Enkido
I suspect from your unusual speech patterns that you traveled here from a distant, parallel conversation. Do they wear silvery jumpsuits and ride sky-cars in your conversation, blog-jumper? Do you come to tell us of a coming faux paus that will certainly destroy our conversation unless immediate action is taken?
@Gnarlythotep
I partly agree, PW does continue MGS3, but it's not the direct sequel -- Portable Ops is. Even if it's the better game, it's still out of sequence with the rest of the compilation. And all the games must match OR THE FLOOR WILL BECOME LAVA. Also, if Hideo ever wants to retire from directing the Metal Gear series like he keeps swearing up and down he wants to, he needs to not do stuff like skip over non-Kojima-helmed titles. His protests sound pretty weak after pulling that. "Oh, another one? I couldn't possibly..."
I think you hit the nail on the head -- $30 just feels like a much more reasonable asking price for ZoE and SH (And for that matter, $40 for MGS). When Sly Cooper and Prince of Persia are asking $40 for trilogies, I'm not seeing what those extra ten dollar are going towards, unless Konami thinks their games are inherently worth more than everyone else's?
I suspect that if this Silent Hill pack sells well, they're going to do something similar to Square's late nineties PS Final Fantasy comps, and basically pack two games per compilation on a peripheral that could hold the entire series on one disc.
@KingSigy
I agree that bringing Peace Walker to the PS3 is a good move, and I'm a big fan of the PSP porting push as a whole (...wow, that was alliterative...), but unless they adopt the Japanese ala carte method for the North American release, we're going to have to buy the whole anthology if we want just the one game. And if it's a matter of package deal or no deal, I want the package to be a complete, well thought out set, not a grab-bag of disparate sequels.
And I'm right there with you (Though 1 is my second favorite in the series). Had this set been SH2, 3, 4, and a voucher for 1, I would probably have been fine with a $50 price tag. But this? Pass.
@graey
You touched on the real reason these sets are all hodge-podgey like this, and it's because some guy in marketing figured out this arrangement will maximize profit in the immediate future, but...yeah, it all seems a little short-sighted and stodgy. And yeah, I'll probably pick up one or two of these eventually, but well after retail drops.
Team Mustache Dad 4 Evs
@Arttemis
I agree, the making of Twin Snakes was way more palatable than the actual game, which should have been re-titled "The Night the Back-Flip Died."
Typically, I don't care for remakes and bitch about them frequently, but RE-make is the epitome of what remakes can and should do. It made a campy, dated genre-curio into a gorgeous, terrifying survival-horror tour-de-force. It's a real tragedy RE2 and 3 didn't get the same treatment (any idea why that never happened?). I would've loved to have seen what they did with Nemesis!

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