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The Smash Dojo site URLs show something interesting. It's a secret to everybody!
ZekeThePlumber 3:00 PM on 10.10.2007 81 comments




If you've been religiously following the Smash Dojo updates, much like I have, you'll have noticed that each respective character series has gotten its own icon which would appear in the header of each of the new posts. For instance, Sonic's icon is the hedgehog head:



The URL being http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/icon/world_b_20.gif.

Now if we take a look at the URL itself, you'll notice that sonic franchise has been designated as "World B 20." Not exactly earth-shattering news, but bear with me for the time being.

Okay, so now we do the same the other characters, putting each world in its numerical order and we get the list that follows:

01 - Smash Emblem
02 - Donkey Kong Series
03 - Starfox Series
04 - Kirby Series
05 - F-Zero Series
06 - Metroid Series
07 - Mother Series
08 - Pokemon Series
09 - The Legend of Zelda Series
10 - Mario Series
11 - Yoshi Series
12 - Fire Emblem Series

13 NONE
14 - Ice Climbers Series
15 - Animal Crossing Series
16 - Wario Series
17 - Metal Gear Solid Series
18 - Kid Icarus Series

19 NONE
20 - Sonic The Hedgehog Series

Great, but whats with the missing numbers 13 and 19? The URL doesn't show anything so obviously they haven't uploaded anything to it yet, but still why the gaps? Lets take another look at this.

Excluding world 01 since it isn't technically a series, we look at 2 through 12 and 14 and note that each of these series are representative of a veteran character from Melee. But 13 is missing... and what is the only series that hasn't been shown here but was in Melee. Mr. Game & Watch. Makes perfect sense to me.

All that remains are 15 through 20 and the mysterious absence of number 19. Animal Crossing, Wario Ware, Metal Gear Solid, and Kid Icarus, all of which are new series to Brawl. It would be safe to assume that 19 will be a new series as well. Hmmm... from the looks of it, it doesn't look like we'll be able to discern any predictions from first glance. BUT WAIT! Let's take those series and change them to their translated Japanese names, giving us:

Animal Forest (literal translation from Dobustu no Mori)
Made in Wario
Metal Gear Solid
Myth of Light: The Mirror of Palutena (literal translation from Hikari shinwa: Parutena no Kagami)
???
Sonic The Hedgehog

What does this show us? The names are in alphabetical order. Which would mean that the next series would fall somewhere between M and S. The candidates: NiGHTS, Pikmin, Pac-man, Punch-Out, and Rockman.

Interesting, yes?

*[Edit]*

Yikes, I actually had no idea this was already deduced on Smashboards. The whole concept behind the clog post was inspired from regular discussions between a friend and myself, both of us are large Smash fans and avidly look for dojo posting patterns. I may have ended up unintentionally reinventing the wheel, but I certainly didn't steal the idea. Just so we're clear, 'kay?

I wouldn't find it necessarily hard to believe that multiple people could find patterns in image urls since it isn't exactly rocket science. Either way, it is not as though I'm profiting from this in any way, nor did I attempt to spread this anywhere beyond the D-toid community. Besides, speculating whats coming next is half the fun of the Smash Dojo.

Also, regarding the content of some parts of the theory itself. Many people keep trying to say that Captain Falcon is #13, which isn't true as the F-zero series is represented by #5. Odds are, the G&W series is still #13, just be sure to note that just because a series has an icon doesn't necessarily mean that that series also has a character included in Brawl, (ex. Pictochat) although I wouldn't discount the possibility.

As far as the alphabetization of the new series, I realize that in Japanese syllabary starts with was s. However I know that Japanese websites still use Roman characters when using scripts online. Rather than listing the names phonetically in English from Japanese, I explored the idea that Kid Icarus could have been translated as seen above. Since it fit the english pattern, I figured it would be worth mentioning. Take it with a grain of salt if you must, just realize that it still means we're getting another character from a new series. (Pictochat obviously disrupts this theory, its however worth noting that 19 was probably skipped for a reason so we could still be seeing a major stage or character from a new series.)

There are 77 comments about this post:
Cheeburga's Destructoid Blog
Matlock
OrangeGoblin's Destructoid Blog
Wow. Good work. My money is on Pikmin.
Butmac's Destructoid Blog
Dude serious matlocking.

Andy Griffith ftw.
jdub28's Destructoid Blog
You should get the secret easter egg version of the internets as a prize
Artadius's Destructoid Blog
Mega Man (Rockman) is my guess.
Cowzilla3's Destructoid Blog
MATLOCK!!!!
Rorschach's Destructoid Blog
I really don't see where people are getting this Megaman stuff from...
Snaileb 's Destructoid Blog
"Matlock" - Cheeburga
Spartacus's Destructoid Blog
You just won every easter egg ever. I would bet Olimar. Think of the possibilities for his final smash...
blehman's Destructoid Blog
Snaileb 's Destructoid Blog
I think a capcom character makes perfect sense, since we dont have one.

Megaman or Viewtiful Joe.
shipero's Destructoid Blog
Assuming that the different worlds are like the DC Multiverse, than those worlds are for Verigo Characters, and Victorian Era Batman. This however is merely speculatiuon on my part.
Scape's Destructoid Blog
Yea this is actually a really good find. And yes, I am hoping for Megaman....a lot.
Variable Gear's Destructoid Blog
Wow! Rockman would be nice. I think that the addition of Sonic has made me change my focus on the character debate. I would like as many characters in Brawl as they can put in the game.

However, no clones plz.
ShawnKelfonne's Destructoid Blog
Nobody said it had to stop at 20 either.
ZekeThePlumber's Destructoid Blog
Another notable thing, from what I hear Sakurai is friends with Kojima and Inafune (the creator of Megaman), so if anything I'd say we might be leaning towards Megaman.

Then again, this could just be the tip of the iceberg since Sakurai has never revealed unlockable characters before prior to releasing any of the smash bros. games.
Das Inchworm's Destructoid Blog
we can only pray its megaman or viewtiful joe.
Das Inchworm's Destructoid Blog
you know what? fuck it. IF NINTENDO WANTS TO DELAY IT I WANT BOTH!!
Variable Gear's Destructoid Blog
@ Snaileb:

Name me one of VJ's powers.

Slowing Down Time, Quickening the Flow of Time, and Zooming In are the basics. And all of those powers break the SSB mold and make VJ really unbalanced, but without those powers he is nothing. Therefore, VJ can't be in the game.
Genki-JAM's Destructoid Blog
But what if there's a 21, 22, 23, and so on? Great Matlocking, though.
ZekeThePlumber's Destructoid Blog
@ Genki-JAM

True, but that could just mean the titles are alphabetically are after So. Until last night, the list only went up to 18.
Raymod's Destructoid Blog
I Hope it's Mega Man.
WOW if that was the case then that would mean a lot of games developers are being represented in this game.
OH! Capcom could do a Marvel VS Capcom style version of Smash Bros. i'd buy that :D
BlindsideDork's Destructoid Blog
Matlock but also reaching for straws. Some things hold up firm and congrats but other parts fall short.

No proof that Mr. Game & Watch is coming bac.
DanGale's Destructoid Blog
After going on a Megaman 2 rampage lately I really hope it is Megaman, but the old style. However, I think it's likely we'll get Viewtiful Joe. I reckon he'll still be 2D as well.
Das Inchworm's Destructoid Blog
and if it is megaman i really hope its rockman and not X. Fuck X.
Necros's Destructoid Blog
Wow. That is some crazy Matlocking. Gives me hope that they're not eliminating the less popular characters if someone like Game and Watch still has a chance to be in.
Tron Knotts's Destructoid Blog
Fuck Sonic.

Best Matlocking ever. I'm now alerting the internets.
braulio09's Destructoid Blog
i think you're wrong on the Mr Game & Watch thing..probably captain falcon

also, if the veterans aren't in alphabetic order, why would the newcomers be? there's sections of the veterans that do come alphabetically but others that don't

also, no megaman....all he does is shoot and they already said they don't want shooting characters in smash hence why snake has no guns. if anything, Zero could be the Rockman series character
Nintendragon's Destructoid Blog
I don't think Viewtiful Joe would really be unfair. I don't really know a whole lot about how his powers work, but him speeding up would basically be the same thing as slowing down time.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the purpose of his zooming power is to allow him to aim at weak points, right? That could just give him an order to use a certain regular move in a certain time period and make it do extra damage or something. As for speeding up time, I don't know how that would work..but I am sure there is something. :)
Hyper Shadow's Destructoid Blog
@braulio09

Snake has a gun look in the snake trailer

Im hoping for Rockman, Nights, or Rayman
stfunoobs's Destructoid Blog
lol@you guys crediting this guy with this discovery.

the community at smashboards figured this out MONTHS ago.
Hiltz's Destructoid Blog
Impressive detective work.
I wonder if Sakurai plans on announcing secret characters on the websites.

I still think the following characters have a good chance of making it into the game.

King Dedede - Sakurai created King Dedede along with Meta Knight and Kirby.In addition, King Dedede apparently almost made it into the last two Smash Bros. games, but was held back for some reason at least according to Ign.com. He has some of his original moves like the jumping smash attack, but he can also act like a bigger and heavier version of Kirby with his big hammer, inhale and spit and flying ability. Nintendo recently announced the new Kirby Superstar deluxe game for the DS that includes King Dedede.

Wind Waker Link - The deku leaf is the perfect item for Link to use to blow wind at opponents and float back to the stage. There's also other items like the hammer that were not in Twilight Princess.

The beautiful graphics and cartoonish animation would really make for an interesting stage. Like an island where it can rain or change into day and night or other things like cause hurricanes to appear or pirate ships shoot cannonballs at the island.

Midna - She could be featured as a solo character using her special third arm , teleportation and telekinesis abilities. I suppose she could be similar to Mewtwo in SSBM.


Viewtiful Joe - Capcom supported the GameCube with important games like Resident Evil, Killer 7 and Viewtiful Joe. In addition, Viewtiful Joe starred in his own version of Smash Bros. Brawl for the DS. Joe of course has several special moves one of which could be used for a final smash attack.
Dropkick_jon's Destructoid Blog
Way to steal your ideas from the smashboards without giving proper credit.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=105742
Tron Knotts's Destructoid Blog
Stfunoobs- You formed a Destructoid profile just to post that, didn't you?

That was worthless. Are you still in elementary school?

Grow up.

But more to the point...

If the community of smashboards wasn't filled with jerks and losers like Stfunoobs, maybe some one would have taken notice of this concept earlier.

smashboards.com may have the greatest ideas ever, but no one is going to read them because sifting through all the crap to get to the gold is just not worth it. So many posters there are competative to the point of insanity, always trying to put each other down in order to build themselves up, unfunny, hostile, boring, unimaginitve dicks.

I'm looking at you Stfunoobs.

Smashboards is a generally awful community. It's the anti-Destructoid.

Just my opinion.
Dropkick_jon's Destructoid Blog
I'm not even a member of Smashboards. I actually found that particular link through gonintendo.com.

It's cool that Destructoid is posting this but the least they could do is give credit where credit is due. It's called professionalism.
Dropkick_jon's Destructoid Blog
P.S. I find it hilarious that you're telling me to grow up. I'm not the one throwing around insults and making false assumptions.
Tron Knotts's Destructoid Blog
Well, your name did sort of come off as insulting.

Nice work changing it so fast.

And don't you think you are making assumtions as well? How do you know Zeke didn't come up this himself himself? Great minds often think alike, you know.

Anyway, sorry if I came off as harsh, but when some one forms a profile just to post negativity on some one else's blog, it comes off as hostile. I was sticking up for my friend.

Hopefully you can relate to that.
Dropkick_jon's Destructoid Blog
Fair enough. And I actually agree with you about Smashboards. They get way too caught up about competitive play and forget about having fun with the game. Who cares if you can't wavedash in Brawl? I know I don't...

As far as your friend goes, the journalist in me was just a little peeved that he didn't give credit to his source. I'll just leave it at that.
samfish's Destructoid Blog
"Slowing Down Time, Quickening the Flow of Time, and Zooming In are the basics. And all of those powers break the SSB mold and make VJ really unbalanced, but without those powers he is nothing. Therefore, VJ can't be in the game."

Not really. There's also the Voomerang, bomb, Red Hot Kick, Red Hot 100 and Viewtiful Recovery. As far as handling Joe's time powers go, just make them last, say, 5 seconds each or something. Zoom could be the Final Smash.
Hell, they could even make it so you can swap out Joe with Silvia in the middle of a fight, a la Pokemon Trainer or Zelda/Sheik, giving you also access to her heart guns, Cold Blue Kick and Replay.

But as much as I'd like to see him show up, I doubt Joe will be in the game, anyway. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mega Man at all, though. I just hope it's the original one. Not one of these pretenders we've been getting all these years.
freeman1's Destructoid Blog
Yeah, this has been on Smashboards.com for months. 13 is definitely Game & Watch.

19 won't be Punch Out, because Little Mac is an AT. They wouldn't make the main character an AT and then make someone else playable.

Nights is possible, especially since he's making a comeback on Wii.

Megaman or Pac-Man would be awesome, but I don't think they'll be in.

All my money is on Pikmin. Olimar is a first party Nintendo character created by Miyamoto.

What's really interesting is that there could be any number of spaces after Sonic. Wave Race, Wild Gunman, Sheriff, ect...
freeman1's Destructoid Blog
Nevermind, Sheriff would have to go before Sonic. So I guess he could be another candidate for 19.
Power-Mad's Destructoid Blog
Note, that you have to use the JAPANESE versions of the names in talking about them being in. Megaman, who's technecally "Rockman" in japan, could very well be it as well ;)
thespicanator's Destructoid Blog
dont leave out Ōgon no Taiyō Hirakareshi Fūin aka Golden Sun
Placeholder's Destructoid Blog
Fancy seeing this here, of all places.

One thing though, it isn't ordered by this strange japanese/english crazy system everyone seems to think it is. I've spoken to a few japanese folks and they say it's complete crap. For starters, the fact that you have to translate the Japanese to English should be prrof it's false in the first place, as that's done in the states, not where Smash is being made. Plus, alphabetizing via the English method is stupid, why wouldn't they use their own alphabetical method (Japan's is different from English).

So yeah, that bit's false.

And to the guy above, GameFAQ'shad this figured out before even Smashboards did. I agree with everything else you say about it though.
ripa9's Destructoid Blog
19=Rayman.
ripa9's Destructoid Blog
WTF
freeman1's Destructoid Blog
"Note, that you have to use the JAPANESE versions of the names in talking about them being in. Megaman, who's technecally "Rockman" in japan, could very well be it as well ;)"

Who said that it couldn't be Rockman?

"One thing though, it isn't ordered by this strange japanese/english crazy system everyone seems to think it is. I've spoken to a few japanese folks and they say it's complete crap. For starters, the fact that you have to translate the Japanese to English should be prrof it's false in the first place, as that's done in the states, not where Smash is being made. Plus, alphabetizing via the English method is stupid, why wouldn't they use their own alphabetical method (Japan's is different from English)."

You can look at it and see that they're in Alphabetical order. That's either the biggest fucking coincidence in the world, or that's the way they're being ordered.

"And to the guy above, GameFAQ'shad this figured out before even Smashboards did. I agree with everything else you say about it though."

I'm 99% sure that that isn't true. I go to both Smashboards and Gamefaqs very frequently, as well as pretty much every other site, and this was on Smashboards way before it was anywhere else.
CaffeinePowered's Destructoid Blog
There could easily be stuff beyond 20, Id guess Megaman/Rockman
flogen's Destructoid Blog
My guess; Nintendogs.

The only reason I say that is that the lab puppy from Nintendogs turned up in the first Super Smash Bros: Brawl trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7M4O8LWFkQ

(about 20 seconds in)
thisissami's Destructoid Blog
megaman wouldn't fit in there in the japanese translation of the word, wouldn't it? i think he'd make a perfect addition if he was able to. how about resident evil?
freeman1's Destructoid Blog
flogen, the Nintendog is an assist trophy.
Darkshadow's Destructoid Blog
Take a look at this! This could be pretty big if this is true.
In which case it will put a hole in this whole icon debate!

http://blogs.ign.com/phoenixdragoon/2007/10/20/69450/
curly_dks's Destructoid Blog
World 22 is Advance Wars! http://blogs.ign.com/phoenixdragoon/2007/10/20/69450/#comments Also, 13 is much more likely to be captain falcon than mr. game and watch.
curly_dks's Destructoid Blog
Lol, someone beat me to the link I guess.
TheMuffinMan's Destructoid Blog
@Curly @DarkShadow

You're retarded, you're going to trust some random blog post saying "I FOUND DIS MYSTERIUS SIT AND IT WAZ IN JAPANESE, LOLOL DIS IZ AN ICON I FOUND LET M UPLOAD IT 2 MY FOTOBUCKET ACCCOUNTS, LOOK ITZ SO REELZ!11!1"? That's such bullshit, the image was clearly made in MSpaint and his story of 'mysterious hidden japanese Smash Bros site" is the biggest crock of shit
Eschatos's Destructoid Blog
Hope it's Pac Man.
oroonocross's Destructoid Blog
Mega Man makes the most sense. He is a classic character that was established on the NES and SNES consoles, while his most recent popularity has largely come from the Battle Network series of games on Nintendo portables. Also, he has an established projectile move which could charge like Samus's shot (Mega Buster), he could change colors and gain new projects through a wide series of different gameplay mechanics. He honestly makes a whole lot of sense in the SSB universe. Especially since Nintendo has allowed third party characters into the game and reached a new level of awesome possibilities.

Also, I would love to see Bonk in the game. He would make a lot of sense too; but that is just my wishful thinking.
Pepillou2's Destructoid Blog
It's Mister Destructoid
Misutaa Desutorokutoido
987055's Destructoid Blog
just to be hopeful but streetfighter lends into the letter frame
with clasic SNES franchises lending themselves over to Brawl streetfighter could

yes Ryu
jgrim's Destructoid Blog
Well, where does the new PictoChat logo fits on your theory? No.21...
Placeholder's Destructoid Blog
"You can look at it and see that they're in Alphabetical order. That's either the biggest fucking coincidence in the world, or that's the way they're being ordered."

It's no surprise that they order correctly, because they were tweaked to fit with the facts as they were known then. Now my memories not perfect, but I believe this was coined after the Fire Emblem update, so whoever dreamed up this nonsense had to make sure that everything that was known then also fit. This is also why it randomly switches between series names and character names.


"I'm 99% sure that that isn't true. I go to both Smashboards and Gamefaqs very frequently, as well as pretty much every other site, and this was on Smashboards way before it was anywhere else."

Well, I definitely remember a topic on GameFAQ's that went up shortly after the Mario and Link update that posed the question of why the numbers in the links were 9 and 10 as opposed to something else. While I think the general "Maybe it's SSB > SSBM > SSBB" idea didn't come about until after the Pit update, that's still earlier then the date in the thread that got linked to earlier.
Holyetheline's Destructoid Blog
Wow this is all way too informative for me... *leaves*
Rancor's Destructoid Blog
wasnt game and watch logo the smash bro's one on melee??
flogen's Destructoid Blog
freeman: flogen, the Nintendog is an assist trophy.

Pfft; I much prefer the idea of them mauling and biting Mario so I refuse to accept your point. :D
JonDarkwood's Destructoid Blog
"Megaman or Viewtiful Joe"

Man, both would be so great for this game.
gregweb's Destructoid Blog
Yeah, I gotta say that Pictochat being #21 throws your idea outta whack.
religioniswar's Destructoid Blog
Well its the DS logo not picto chat, so maybe theres something else coming from there. For instance there are only two GIFs in that series that have no characters associated with them. thats numbers 21 and (15? i think) animal crossing and the DS logo so i'm hoping for tom nook, don't know what it could be from the DS as a system though.
Oh and its got to be pikmin cause that would be so amazingly sweet.
Highcon's Destructoid Blog
is it just me, or am I the only one hoping that Chrono or Magus get put into this game? Tell me that wouldn't be hot, Iunno what the hell nintendo is waiting for but Chrono Trigger is one of the greatest game of all time....how are they gonna exclude the protagonist/antagonist of this game...
Spykron's Destructoid Blog
Id like to see megaman. Anything from capcom would be great because then other developers will see the trend and start begging nintendo to have their characters added.
brecksher's Destructoid Blog
Rockman? Oh my Gawd.
mackisawesome's Destructoid Blog
COMMENT 71
religioniswar's Destructoid Blog
Clearly Chrono and Magus would be amazing, but if I'm not mistaken they belong to Square Enix so its doubtful.
Torzelan's Destructoid Blog
I want Simon Belmont in there whippin' it up. I'd almost buy a Wii just for that.
Power-Mad's Destructoid Blog
I'm afraid, this is no longer valid, on your second claim at least. World 21 is the DS, there is no alphabetical order in that...
defy69's Destructoid Blog
its pikmin
xanfantasy's Destructoid Blog
It's NOT pikmin.

Pictochat is World 21
Pikmin is World 22

13 and 19 still don't show anything. nor does 23 but that could change.

It might still be Rock man!

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