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Geno originally intended for Brawl?
ZekeThePlumber | 1:18 AM on 02.01.2008 28 comments




There seems to be a rumor floating around that Geno was actually intended to be a playable character in Brawl. One would be inclined to believe this as Geno ranked number one in a poll conducted by Sakurai in Japan over which characters people would most like to see in Brawl. Geno didn’t make the cut; however, the nine other most requested characters did. Odd that they would intentionally exclude the number one requested character.

The rumor says that Geno was originally playable, but was removed late in the development process due to copyright issues between Square-Enix and Nintendo. In fact, this is said to have been the cause of the original delay. While we have no proof of the validity of this claim, I certainly wouldn’t be surprised. Square has always been rather stingy with their intellectual property; we haven’t even seen any of their games on the virtual console. While one can argue that Geno had a cameo in Mario & Luigi: Super Star Saga, that was a minor appearance at best, only a few simple sprites to explain the instructions to a mini-game. Square would have likely demanded a pretty penny for extended usage of their intellectual property.

While we probably won’t know for sure, there are a couple of indicators that support the claim. First off is the character select screen:



Notice how the columns are set up. First two are Mario franchises, third Zelda, fourth retro, fifth Kirby/Pikmin (possibly the incredibly small but resized column), sixth Star Fox with Captain Falcon (pilots?), seventh Pokemon, eighth RPGs, and last being 3rd party characters. Now what’s interesting about this is the inclusion of a random button, something that we haven’t seen in either the original nor Melee. A spot that Geno would be perfectly suited for otherwise. Would absence of any SMRPG references in Brawl also support this idea?

While some also point out that IMDB has Makiko Omoto, the voice of Ness, listed as the voice actor for Geno, this could easily be the result of user abuse. At one point we had Leon Kennedy listed in there as well and that had no remote possibility of being true.

I can’t say for sure if we’ll ever find the truth behind this but there may be a few opportunities to find out some information. I’m sure somewhere out there someone will search through Brawl’s code for any evidence of Geno brief presence. Fortunately, there may be an easier way to get an answer to this. In case you were unaware, Sakurai will be holding a speech at GDC February 18th entitle “Building Characters: The SUPER SMASH BROS. BRAWL Postmortem.” Perhaps we may get some insight on characters that didn’t make the cut. If Destructoid will be covering the event, maybe someone can drop a few questions, eh Holmes??? And you know, yell “YOU MUST RECOVER!” at least once during the speech.

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tehuberone's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 01:33
tehuberone
I love how you separated the columns genius
GoldBond's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 01:33
GoldBond
Very interesting. Though I'll take Super Mario RPG on the VC over playable Geno any day.

Good observation, though.
Hamza CTZ Aziz's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 01:36
Hamza CTZ Aziz
Zeke, I fucking hate you now for this. WHY GENO WHY! ;_;. I'll be at GDC.
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 01:44
CaffeinePowered
Damnit I wanted Geno, maybe a patch perhaps, or is that too much wishful thinking :(
ZekeThePlumber's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 01:47
ZekeThePlumber
Unfortunately I wouldn't count on a patch or downloadable content. Character coding is probably far too complex and modular to simply add characters in at will. That and if Square and Nintendo hadn't worked out a deal prior to launch, I doubt they will after.
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 01:51
topgeargorilla
wow, this games isn't even out and it feels like the end.

It feels like the last harry potter book.

I want a new Smash after this. and one that doesn't take fucking 6 years to make.
EightBitMav's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:03
EightBitMav
@ Zeke:
It shouldn't really be a problem. Nintendo just needs to pay Square a shitload of money...that would work right?

And hey, the Wii and DS prints it...
riomccarthy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:05
riomccarthy
Omg.. I would have totally spazzed for Geno being playable in Brawl.. Mario RPG is still one of my favorite games of all time. Now I'm sad. ;-;
ZekeThePlumber's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:10
ZekeThePlumber
WHY CAN'T I COMMENT ON MY OWN BLOG!!?!?! ARGH!
ZekeThePlumber's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:12
ZekeThePlumber
Oh sure now it works! What I've been trying to say was:

@ Hamza: Be sure to bring duct tape, rope, and chloroform. Just wait till Sakurai is alone...

@ topgeargorilla: SNAKE KILLED DUMBLEDORE!
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:15
topgeargorilla
no, fucking three "Foxs" killed Dumbledore


And I always hated the Star Fox series. Does anybody really like space fairing furries. I wanna kill the bastards.


honestly, I bet they were cramming till the end, just like in Melee, though I'd kill to see some other playable mock ups.
Yashoki's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:18
Yashoki
too many fucking clones, fuck, this, game.
ZekeThePlumber's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:29
ZekeThePlumber
Eh, I think Star Fox got a little over representation. I'd be okay with it if it weren't for the fact that they all got landmaster tanks for their final smashes. Did Wolf even have a landmaster???

I'm a little more annoyed that Toon Link is a complete clone of Young Link. Its not as though he couldn't have his own original specials, Deku Leaf and Skull Hammer first come to mind.

Either way I'm sure I'll still enjoy the game. Maybe they're leaving room for improvement for the next game in the series... hopefully...
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:32
topgeargorilla
tails shows up on the sonic stage...that's cool.
13thDragon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:37
13thDragon
*facepalm*

I had to sit through 10 million "So and so confirmed for Brawl?" posts.

Do I have to sit through 10 million "So and so originally intended for Brawl?" posts now?
ZekeThePlumber's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:42
ZekeThePlumber
@ 13thDragon:

Yes and you'll like it.
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:46
AngelsDontBurn
"Hey, let's keep delaying the game, oh and remember there's no clones!

Screw it, let's just delay the game and make clones anyway."
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 02:48
AngelsDontBurn
"Hey, let's keep delaying the game, oh and remember there's no clones!

Screw it, let's just delay the game and make clones anyway."
's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 06:23
Clint
I'm fine with the two fox clones as they seem different enough from the videos of Brawl, it's Ganondorf that really hurts. Would have been so hard to just give him a sword? I really like ROB though, although most people hate him. Sucks about Geno though.
Genki-JAM's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 07:53
Genki-JAM
Good theory about Geno. And I think it's a shame that Squeenix is being so stingy about it. This would also support the original thought that there would be 3 3rd party characters...
Scape's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 09:34
Scape
This makes a lot of sense since he was the #1 most requested. Good call on the columns...I probably would have never noticed...

Also Mega Man?
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 15:41
Eschatos
Who's Geno?
SWE3tMadness's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/01/2008 15:57
SWE3tMadness
Sounds plausible. But I guess we'll never know now. :(
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