So here's the Issue. A while back with the Unofficial Destructoid TF2 server, I had admin. One day we were all playing having lots of fun. The server was full and the game was fierce, what ended up happening is that community member Butmac was all up and ready to play, but the server was full. So as an admin I decided it would be a good idea to kick someone from the server. The person was not a member of Destructoid.com so I felt that I was in the right to kick him out.
What ended up happening was that Kor (the server's owner along with Caffiene Powered) didn't like this. He did not agree with my decision that a Destructoid member should have the highest priority over anyone on that TF2 server. He told me (just right now actually) that the [Destructiod.com - Pew Pew Pew] server was a "Dual-Community server" who's purpose was to serve the TF2 community at large, as well as the Destructoid community.
We went into discussion about the use of the Destructoid name and what it means. To me, if a server has Dtoid.com and nothing else, that server is for Dtoid members at its core. Granted they're not going to ban/kick randoms out, but that a random holds less weight than a community member.
I completely understand that it's Kor and Caff's server, and they can do WHATEVER they want with it. But they have to understand that the name Destructoid means something enourmous. It means a place where I can see a post made by Chad as I wake up, and then later that night go to his house, eat all his food, and pet his dog.
What Destructoid means to me is community comes first.
And here’s the twist. I want the community to see this and react to it. I want the community to speak. Don’t let me speak for you, and don’t let Kor speak to you. This is an issue that needs to be worked upon and one that the community shouldn't be kept out of.
Make dtoiders number 1, or take the name out
Under this I have Copy and Pasted the log from Kor and I's chat on Steam trying to resolve this matter. I would appreciate that you read this and give your input before commenting, but I can’t control you guys.
And Please for the love of god.
KEEP THE FLAMEWARS OUT We will discuss and be civil.
It's either a big issue, or it's nothing at all. It'll erupt or just be blown away. It's just really bugging me
So here it is, with all its errors (ignore them :P) The log. And I hope we can work this out.
http://download.yousendit.com/E3994EE01FB0A161
Edit/Conclusion: Thanks alot guys, I just wanted to see what everyone though on this to see what to really think. It's not something that me and Kor can fix by ourselves since this effects a ton of people.
So I invite everyone back onto the community with Kor and Caff under admin so they can do their thing. Due to the fact that I cant delete/hand over ownership and to save people the trouble.
I really thank you guys in actually taking the time to read this and voice your concerns. And I hope this all to be fixed real soon (a.k.a when Kor logs his lazy ass back on)
Please note that I am in no way ungrateful for what Caff and Kor have worked on. I have always said that I appreciate them for doing what I couldn't have done. Again, to anyone who seems to really hate me, I'm sorry. For pretty much everything and being a jackass.
We all get on well, but when a decision comes in, they out trump you, even if you are an admin and from dtoid.
Gotta be careful your not stirring up necessary eDrama here too. Which is what you are doing, a little bit.
And Kor's kinda right. If Niero has a problem with it using his name on the grounds that it's not entirely Dtoid oriented, that's his perogative and it should be changed. Otherwise, life goes on, STFUAJPG.
The part that I'm not clear on is that Kor says they have a bought which does give Dtoiders preference, after they register somewhere, I assume. If this is true, then combined with ad-hoc admin decisions in favor of Dtoiders, then I don't see what the problem is. A clarification of this feature would help sort out how to solve this dispute.
Should certain dtoiders get preference over other dtoiders if the server is full? no. but that wasn't the case. Even if the person was a server regular, he seems to not be a dtoider so he doesn't get first dibs. If caff or Kor have a problem with that, then they need to name the server something other than a dtoid server.
Yashoki: Yes OUR name.
Yashoki: Destructoids name.
Yashoki: It belongs to the community. And thats why Niero doesn't go nuts over this shit.
Yashoki: But if you really feel that way, then I'm sorry.
Kor: No apology is required from you Yash, if Neiro has taking issue with the usage of the Destructoid name, I'm sure we would have recieved notification on the matter. We have always stated that this is an unoffical server, but an unoffical community server.
Kor: The community is served by the custom plugin written for this purpose. The community is still served by holding community-only events. The community will continue to be served so long as mebers continue to play here. I always make it a point to welcome any community member that joins the server, its always good to see people getting something out of it.
Kor: I will NEVER turn away people that want to make use of what we offer. And that's the bottom line.
Kor: Is there anything else you'd like to discuss?
Yashoki: Not really. I dont believe I was in the worng.
Yashoki: wrong* The use of the Dtoid name means alot.
Yashoki: I'm sorry if you dont feel that way. Call me crazy. W/e.
Kor: I believe you can reiterate all your points as much as you like Yash, but the issues have been explained to you as they have been laid out. Diverging viewpoints will always be present, but its your responsibilty to honestly attempt to understand our side on this matter.
Either way, it's not like you can't auto-join the server when a spot opens up, so this really shouldn't be as big of a deal as it is. Hell, some nights a spot may NOT open up. Get over it, and play another game.
Where's my damn comment edit :P
Theres that lovely thing called the reserve list that I programed and spent a MONTH debugging because you asked for it. The only way a dtoider whose taken the 5 min it takes to give me your ID gets knocked out of the server is when its full of only people on the list. In addition, it will MAKE ROOM for them (limited to 24) when they join.
Get off your high horse everything you've said is utter BS you're just nit picking.
Ted, Necros since you are out of the loop, anyone that took the time to give me their ID gets preference, its limited to first come first serve, no one dtoider is more important than another. Continuing to make the same argument well after the fact has been settled is juvenile and ignorant.
[i]Kor: The community is served by the custom plugin written for this purpose. The community is still served by holding community-only events. The community will continue to be served so long as mebers continue to play here. I always make it a point to welcome any community member that joins the server, its always good to see people getting something out of it.
Kor: I will NEVER turn away people that want to make use of what we offer. And that's the bottom line. [/i]
You cuntrag.
There's no "civil discussion" to be had, because there is problem. You're just obviously having some "personal" issues with the community being awesome, and you not being relevant to it.
And the community DOES take priority Yasho. So...your one argument falls flat and dies. That's the only point you had, to make it a community server... and it is.
And I highly fucking soubt that niero would have a problem with any of this. If the guy is a regular on the server, is a good player and has respect and a good attitude then it shouldn't matter if he's DTOID or not...Most DTOID users are console users anyway, and im pretty positive of that. Hell DTOID is more of a console geared site anyway...how often do you you see news posted about the latest WOW patch, or the latest Steam updates? Not often.
for the other FNF'ers with your xboxes and pstripples, when you make a server for 16 people they are definatly going to be only dtoid members. you've never really left your systems on day and night and had other people from the wide internet joining in on your games. which means that you've probably never met such nice non-dtoid players like the ones we have on the tf2 server. which is probably why you dont understand why we would rather play with them than you.
First of all, is this really a matter of Dtoiders not getting preferential treatment? Really, is it? It seems to me like you're using that argument as a red herring to distract from the initial issue of you having your admin privileges revoked. This one incident where a player (regardless if it was a server regular or not) was not kicked in favor of a Dtoider is not a proper example of how the server is run on a daily basis.
Secondly, you are using this incident out of context to further your own goals, whatever those might be. Seriously, what were you trying to accomplish with this blog? Were you trying to get your admin privileges back? Are you trying to rally the community into forcing Caff and Kor to drop the Dtoid name because you are unhappy with how they run the server? From what your log describes, it seems to me that your admin privileges were revoked because you failed to follow policies governing the behavior of admins that were created by the server's owners, not for kicking a server regular in favor of a dtoid community member. As I already said, you are using this one incident out of context in an attempt to justify to yourself and the dtoid community that you were somehow wronged. You have the balls to say Kor isn't a true community member when you yourself are the one trying to "use" the community to further your own goals. Please get over yourself.
Lastly, as Kor and Caff have said, the sever is focused on the community. The impression that I get is that it always will be as long as people still come to play and Dtoid still exists. This is evident by the plugin Caff wrote to automate community members getting priority. I think it is extremely immature of you to ignore all the time and money Caff and Kor put into the server by calling into question their commitment to the community and by bringing a private issue like this out into a public forum.
Yeah i'm a dick, ass, ect. blah blah. I'm just up for fixing shit. Thats the point.
It'd be great if Yashoki didn't whine about something else every 5 damned seconds.
It's a fucking olive branch.
I'm with Cheese on this one, to a degree. If I'm any one to guess, you're just pissed that something you did got your admin privileges taken back. Yes, it was wrong of Kor to come to you afterwards and try to coerce you into giving him admin to your group, and yes, Caffeine and Kor haven't been consistently respectful with the way they've tried to smooth things over. But they were trying to smooth things over.
I think that's something all of you should have enough decency to care about.
Let this be water under the bridge, and move on. AKA STFUAJPG :) I <3 you all!
If we continue to "blah blah yashoki blah did this" then we'll never fix this. It doesn't matter, All I'm asking is to let bygones be bygones. Stop taking it so seriously and lets start playing some games. Can you do that? Because honestly this has gone on long enough.
I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm trying to fix this. yeah maybe it's a little late, but it's not impossible to go "hey, this is dumb lets just rejoin the group, under new management and start over from scratch".
STFUAJPG
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Destructoid isn't reserved to a selected few. Everyone wans to keep the good stuff for themselves nowadays... it's public people
I COMPLETELY 100% AGREE WITH RORSCHACH
There is no issue. Everything is running great. There was never a splinter group. No one was trying to compete. Everyone has a great time on the server and a lot of random pub people were turned on to the site because of it.
Caff and Kor gave me admin privileges to try and keep out the jerks and because of the efforts of everyone we have received a lot of compliments. You have no idea what that means to this site, when people see a friendly server with a good community and here about destructoid because of it. There is no need for this high school crap. In fact you might have just scared some of them off.
This turned into a stupid comment anyways but the bottom line is being a friendly server means a lot to everyone and it is good publicity for the site. So please leave the drama out of it.
Your loss. There's never been any drama ON the server in my time there. Just games and shenanigans.