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The internet is a wondrous place. Where else can I find a wealth of information in less than a minute on any subject that tickles my fancy, complete with pictures, movie clips and links? Not only that but there's readily available porn as well. It's all good in the internet neighborhood. I can shop, order pizza, and if I really wanted to not even bother with the idiot box known as TV as my local and national news are provided for me here as well. Being a gamer in this age of instant access to information is at once fulfilling as it is fast. So fast that any Tom, Dick, and Harry with a cellphone camera can practically become a You Tube sensation and amateur newsman overnight if they're in the right place and at the right time. Politicians now not only have to worry about the established media but the world at large, as anybody can catch a perceived slip up or snafu on their part and have it reach the millions of internet hungry masses. Times are constantly changing but are they changing for the better?
Like everyone else here in Destructoid I love me some scoops on up and coming games. I revel in the fact of having the inside scoop on games that are in development, I greedily absorb any previews of games that are just around the bend and devour multiple reviews of games out in the market. Being in the know about games is not just about being entertained but literally a process that the frugal part of my being exercises and flexes when parting with my hard earned money. Trying times like the ones we are seeing where gas is at all time highs, just taking a trek to my local gamestore is an expensive excursion already, so knowing in advance the game I'm getting is worthwhile is not a convenience anymore, it's a necessity. But are game sites taking it a bit too far? The answer to that may vary depending on who you ask but one thing is certain, surprises and secrets in games are becoming more of a rarity. Look all around you and on a daily basis, if not hourly, we are being bombarded with more and more information about games that are in development to the point that by the games comes out, you already know all there is to it. From the art on the game cases weeks before they release said game, to having all the cheats / easter eggs from the game posted days before it comes out, to finally having all the achievements to the game posted as well, I assure you by the time you turn on that game to play it, you practically have a course of action preset from watching all those game clips that show you the first twenty minutes of gameplay in the game.
While perusing through Destructoid's front page I read Nick's Piece on possible spoilers for Portal 2. What's surprising is not that the information is indeed a spoiler but that quite a few people don't think it is. We are so used to game developers giving up the ghost when it comes to their games either by an internal leak or other questionable sources that we are being lulled into thinking it's all good. Hell while we're at it let's ridicule the people that don't want to know anything specific about the game. How dare they want to have the sheer joy of discovering plot points and gameplay elements within the game? That's just ridiculous! My sentiments to this are not in the minority or experienced by a secluded few. More and more gamers are having a difficult time with this. A lot of people dismiss this as it's just telling you what's happening..it's not the same as experiencing it, but that's an illogical stance as ignorance of what's happening in the game story heightens it exponentially. Another response I might hear is don't read about it. Easier said than done. Most people don't even bother with telling readers about spoilers on some game previews and reviews, the person in question doing those don't know the art of being informative and being restraint at the same time. It's a balancing act for sure but one that can be done easily as you see it being employed in some of our own previews/reviews in Destructoid. I remember when I was young shuffling through the pages of Gamefan looking for any rumors or slight secrets of upcoming games with eyes glazed. Nowadays I don't even have to look for them. It's on the front page feature to most game sites. And if I miss it, the blog echo of the internet will make sure I hear about it one way or the other. If not some of my own colleagues here at Dtoid in the Cblogs. The sad part is secrets are not just hard to come by anymore.... they don't exist anymore in this day and age.
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I am in total agreement that spoilers warnings should be applied to anything remotely spoiler related, but like you said, people have different ideas on what constitutes a "spoiler". Some will say it's anything important, like aspects of the plot, characters and story development, while others will say that even knowing the control scheme or what you can do in the game is spoiling it, but it doesn't make either of them, or you, respectfully<3, "right" about the subject.
When it comes down to it, anything that is paramount to the development of the games themes, whether they are new abilities gained from experience, twists in the story, new npc's that are introduced later on in the game, what kind of weapons you can get or even a characters history, should all be considered spoilers, but like we have both mentioned, people consider different things spoilers.
I don't think a finger should be pointed at anybody but ourselves in relation to the information we see. If you don't want to know about a certain game then don't look at the information that people give you about it. If you want to know, then you run the risk of reading information you don't want to know.
I don't think there is actually a page that is filled with headlines like "Snake dies at the end of MGS4", "Portal 2 will feature GlaDOS' prototype, which is actually Metal Gear", "Bioshock 2 uses the same main character as the original! And he turns in to a Hind D at the end".
The only time I have ruined things for myself is by specifically looking up information about a game and reading just a little too much for my own good, and I blame nobody but myself.
Hell, I did recaps during the fervor shortly after GTA IV released, unable to play for myself, and managed to successfully avoid learning anything about the game save that a lot of you seem to think it's hard to drive the cars (it isn't) and that none of you want to maintain relationships with fictional people.
Yeah, sometimes people can be dicks about it (Atlas being who he is, after all) but it's pretty obvious when something is about to creep into spoiler territory most of the time. You can stop reading at any point, so it's really more about how much you're willing to have spoiled for you.
The point of the post is not to finger point...there is no need for that because it's pretty blatant. It's that it's so prevelant that it's hard to sidestep altogether. You may think it's easy to avoid but in actuality it really isn't.
I find it doubly annoying when people are shouting off that everything is a spoiler. I'd hate to be the guy that's moaning about how the unannounced, no-information-has-been-released-yet, Zelda title is going to feature Link, Zelda, AND Ganondorf. Moar Spoilers, Link Kills said Ganondorf.
I do agree that there are a lot of spoilers to be found, but at the same time, It's all that's really being reported in any game magazine/site/blog nowadays. Backtracking to the subject of secrets, when's Duke Nukem Forever coming out?
oh my bad.
On the other hand, I was listening to a podcast, I believe about Survival Horror by the 1UP Retronauts, which correctly guessed about Atlas in Bioshock before the release of the game. Now, it was based on speculation relating to System Shock 2, but still pissed me the hell off, because it really did ruin a lot of Bioshock's narrative trickery for me on the first run through.
It is hard to be in game culture and not encounter 'tards who think it's absolutely hilarious to reveal salient plot points from the latest games, because they like the attention of getting people mad. Which brings me to...
ZSERV, you better be fucking kidding me or I will find you.
He told us what we needed to know, that the game was awesome, without ruining anything. I really wish there was more stuff like that on Destructoid.
Another source of potential spoilers are achievement lists (at least on 360). I never look at the achievements because more often than not the last few are basically "Finish the game achievement, here's who you defeat/turns on you".
Like you say, spoilers have become almost impossible to avoid, some people do have the grace to put spoiler warnings but since it's a function of the human brain to automatically read words in front of you, how do you skip past them?
Furthermore, the spoilers come tenfold when you add user comments to a thread. There's not really any way round it, trolls will always be trolls.. but it still sucks.
It can be hard not to have things spoiled for you in these times. Later this week, I am buying MGS4:LE, but I don't yet even have a PS3. This means that from now (or I should say it started weeks ago) until I get a system to play the game, I have to do my best to avoid spoilers. How have I been doing this? It isn't easy, and I find myself skipping almost everything, online or in print, that is MGS4 related.
Another thing that bothers me these days, to add to the original article if I may, are what I'll refer to as 'spoiler limitation timelines'. It used to be that things such as a character dying in FFVII wouldn't be talked about for a very long time, so as not to spoil anything for someone who hasn't yet played the game. Lately this 'limitation of how long something could be considered a spoiler before being talked about in the open', has been slimmed down to only the ammount of time it would take a person to reach that point in a game and then write about it online.
For example, the ending of GTA4. It wasn't a couple weeks after the game was released that sites such as Kotaku and others were already spoiling the ending of the game. Sure there are a bunch of people who bought the game the day it was released, and given the ammount of time it took most people to finish the game, it could be assumed that discussing this point would be no big deal to most all of them, but what about the people who haven't bought the game yet? Is the fact that they waited for whatever reason to buy this popular game until now, or maybe months from now, somehow their fault if they have the ending spoiled? Don't they have the right not to know, just like we didn't, without having to worry that because they read an article about something like morality in the GTA series they will have the ending ruined?
Well. I guess that's all I got to say about that.
Half the time I feel like the game isn't even worth playing its been internet killed so bad (see; DMC4)
I have mixed feelings about this topic myself. What seems to be happening is that the video game industry is beginning to follow in the footsteps of the movie industry when it comes to promotional media. When's the last time you saw a movie that didn't have the big plot twist completely ruined by the 2 minute trailer you were forced to watch during the previous movie you saw? These companies need to hook you and pull you in by any means necesary and if that means giving away a lot of information what do they care. They are in this for the money.
Then there is the part of me that wants to say "if you don't want to know don't read it". Now yes true this is easier said than done, but is it really? The last 3 or 4 weeks I have made a solid oath to myself to not read any article or any review for MGS4. I did the same thing for GTA4, and neither game was ruined for me. I didn't play Bioshock until 8 months after it came out and for 8 months I refused to read any long articles about the game. The game was not ruined for me. But I am sure I'm a special case (in more ways then one) and on the most part it is quite difficult to not find out to much about a game even with the basic browsing that we do of internet sites. It's a very tough scale to balance.
There's also the argument that it's not where you are going but how you get there. I mean yes we play the games for the story, but we also play them for the gameplay itself. I didn't give a damn about the story of Assasin's Creed, but I loved the gameplay. And if something about the gameplay is spoiled in in article, that doesn't mean you won't enjoy it when you actually play the game.
I know it seems like I'm defending the internet gaming sites, but I don't mean to. I'm just trying to say that it's not as bad as it appears.
"there are people out there who get off on ruining things for others, and I never understood that mentality"
They are upset they have a small penis.
The Matrix: Spoiled.
The Crying Game: Spoiled.
Cheeburga vs. the Leather Men: Spoiled.
All of these things were spoiled for me by the internet. Although the last one was predictable.
(There's actually a MUCH longer list, I thought I'd keep it brief for brevity's sake).
Welcome to the world of professional wrestling for the last 7 years. They haven't been able to keep kayfabe or defections from one company to the other for YEARS. Now it's to the point where if they manage to keep a secret, IT'S A DAMN GOOD SECRET.
I see videogames going in this direction, as well. It truly IS becoming a case of 'don't follow the news if you don't want the spoilers.'
And I DO find that sad. I don't think j1mb0 was melodramatic at all. If he was emo, he'd have moar eyel1n3rs.
Also if Zserv is right, he should be banned :-)
@mistic
It's been speculated for months that Snake will kill himself. I doubt Zserv said it because he knows it for a fact. Honestly though, I'd be shocked if Snake didn't.