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Let me get this straight. Megaman 9 is a game made in the retro style with retro gameplay for the retro fan in all of us, right? A loving tribute to an era where classic games where in abundance, right? LMAO. Are you kidding me?? Maybe you 17 year olds with your retro t shirts in tow will fall for that scam but I'll pass. I remember playing Megaman 9 when it was called Megaman 2. No thanks.
I guess I'm going to be in the minority here when I say it smells of no work on Capcom's part for that game. Actually it seems like companies in general are trying to do this same thing all the time. Just not as blatant as Capcom is doing it now. Through the wondrous terminology of the word remake, it will come to pass that companies will mine our retro memories for more of your hard earned cash. And like idiots we fall for it every time. Seriously I wrote a blog about remakes
before, but with Megaman 9 it takes it to a whole new level.
Imagine if every company did this. We'll just do a new game of our series with graphics of old, gameplay of old, and tack a new number to it. We'll charge only five or ten bucks for you to download it and you will LOVE it cause we're giving back to the fans. lol. Riiiiight. I know that there is a significant percentage of my fellow Dtoiders that haven't experienced old school Megaman so for you guys I'll just tell you go get the Megaman Collection and you'll get way more than one game. For those that don't have the constitution or patience memorizing everything there is to a level in other to go forth to the next one, you may want to take a pass altogether. As this will be an exercise in frustration and controller chucking.
But let's extend this analogy further with another game that you guys are creaming your panties over. Chrono Trigger. Really?? Isn't this just a straight port? With a second screen function added in? It's not a sequel or anything, right? Sorry I still own the original, don't think I want to try a
DSensitized version. There's a reason why retro games that get updated usually suck, and that's because they either change it too much from what we played from the original or get this: it's not the
original.
I guess Capcom has figured out the loophole to this by just giving you the original game, engine, mechanics and all to you retro fans. I would tell you you're getting scammed but somehow I think you're going to tell me differently.
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When I heard that Chrono Trigger was coming to ds, I thought they would 3d it like the final fantasies. Well, they didn't. So I now know I don't have to buy a DS. As far as Mega Man 9 goes, back then, games didn't offer a variety of play styles throughout the games, so the only way to keep the game interesting was to give you a bigger gun and make the game ever more frustrating. Believe me, I loved mega man on my gameboy, but that shit was frustrating as hell, and I'm too old for games to stress me out.
as long as its all new weapons, stages, and characters i don't think its cutting corners. its a new game, built for people who enjoyed the series. i think this is major fan-service, and pretty cool.
I'm kinda with you jimbo.
I'm ok with remakes if they are bringing a little something new to the table, be it graphics, gameplay or whathaveyou. (see Bionic Commando, HD Super Street Fighter).
But yeah, everytime I see something new about Mega Man 9, I wonder if they didn't just make this over a weekend. I mean, isn't just a rom hack at this point? How difficult could that have been for them to do when they have the resources and assets all there available to them.
As for Chrono, I'll wait until I see more of the game before I make the call on that. They may have some cool DS specific stuff added to it and that would be significant enough for me.
You leave Mega Man alone, gray beard! And I'm not 17, either.
So I guess if they made a new Contra using the same graphical style of the NES game with new levels, bosses, and weapons you WOULDN'T buy it right?
Riiiiight
You just don't want MM9 because you hate on MM, not because you don't like the concept.
I'd rather get a new game with nostalgic graphics than the same game over again with new graphics. I see absolutly nothing wrong with Mega Man 9, I won't be buying it but I've never been a fan of Mega Man to begin with.
Bewbs.
Hahahaha... Elctro Lemon.
I dunno, man. I would rather play the original Deus Ex remade in the latest Unreal Engine than force myself through Invisible War, or any other Deus Ex game that was not made by Mr. Spector.
As for Capcom, as long as they can get people to buy their old or new games and bloggers like you to promote them for free, then all the power to them.
It's because of the retro kids. I blame them for "re-remakes" and stupid ironic Nintendo shirts.
I'm buying it day one and maybe they'll make more! With any luck, Kojima will think this is a cool idea for MGS5!
But seriously, I think it's interesting that Capcom is doing this. It's disappointing to see this premature backlash against what seems like a pretty cool idea. It could end up being awesome, in which case all of this premature bashing will seem pretty embarrassing.
If you think games can be art, you should thank Capcom for giving mainstream gaming what could be the equivalent of a White Stripes record or Dogme 95 film.
I remember playing Megaman 3 when it was called Megaman 2. I remember playing Megaman 2 when it was called Megaman. The best Megaman games were the first few games on the NES. It all went downhill when they tried to add a bunch of new features (slide, mega buster, collecting letters, etc). So, I don't really see anything wrong with going back to the roots of what made the game great in the first place. A new Megaman game with current-gen graphics would just blend into the vast array of shitty Megaman games Capcom has already released.
Regarding the Chrono Trigger port on DS, a lot of people don't own the original. I own the original, but my SNES crapped out ten years ago (because I actually played it rather than just keeping it on my shelf to boast my retro cred'). So, this is great for me. Not to mention that I have a lot of spare time at my job and play a lot of DS due to portability.
Maybe I'm just a consumer whore though.
I'm buying it day one and maybe they'll make more! With any luck, Kojima will think this is a cool idea for MGS5!
But seriously, I think it's interesting that Capcom is doing this. It's disappointing to see this premature backlash against what seems like a pretty cool idea. It could end up being awesome, in which case all of this premature bashing will seem pretty embarrassing.
If you think games can be art, you should thank Capcom for giving mainstream gaming what could be the equivalent of a White Stripes record or Dogme 95 film.
I am not a fan of this Mega Man 9 at all.
@ Hoodie: I didn't do that I swear.
I've got one thing to say: Square-Enix.
Or maybe two: whitebeard.
Two words: Limp Bizkit.
three, four and five: Fred fucking Durst
Meh, I still don't really see a problem. I'm going to buy Chrono Trigger because I don't have the original. I bought FFIII because it never came out here. If you have the original CT, of course you're not going to buy the DS version.
And this is bad, why?
I think that the new mega man game is the only logical direction they could have taken with the series. Years of disappointing spin-offs and lame children games propagated the second coming of the retro MM. As long as they don't try to sell this game for 50 bucks, this will stand as one of the greatest DLC games to come out for any console. It'll certainly be better than most of the crap DLC that has been released on the PS3 and 360 lately.
As for the whole retro trend, I liken it to reality television shows. Some people were crazy about them when they first showed up on the scene. However, most of the population is now tired of the same crap being shoveled on top of them. There are a few games that work with the retro makeover. The Mario Bros and Mega Man franchises are two that really shine when coupled with their original gameplay elements.
Also, Capcom MIDI music is epic.
I blame all the remake bullshit on Square.
Fuck you Square. Fuck you.
I'm not at home a lot. Crono Trigger for the DS fixes the problem of me being able to game while not sitting in front of the SNES. Also some of these original games are expensive and I would rather buy a cheaper port than spend a crap load of money on the original.
Yojimbo the Gray, your wizardry has agitated the masses. You must cease this crusade before they rise up and destroy you!
Gotta say I agree. Why not make a shiny new Megaman game, rather than make some new levels for the old ones? Or actually enhance Chrono Trigger, rather than just making big bucks off people who have already played it but simply need to play it again on another system.
I see no reason to complain about Chrono Trigger. You have the original game? Great, good for you, no one's forcing you to buy the new one. You don't have it or never played it before (like me)? Hey, I think I'll pick up that one rather than paying exorbitant prices on eBay. In fact, the only reason I won't buy it is the same reason I haven't bought any Final Fantasy rereleases/remakes: I want to play it on my TV, not a handheld, and don't care for non-progressive-scan cartridge-battery technology.
As for Mega Man 9, I mainly found it ironic how people complained for years about more Mega Man games, then get excited about another one. However, this is clearly just for the Mega Man fans. I guarantee that only those people who essentially want more old-school Mega Man will buy it, as newer gamers will have little desire to pick up what looks like an antiquated game that they have no nostalgia for.
In short: no one's forcing you to buy these remakes and rereleases. Imagine if we got all up in arms about every rerelease or director's cut of a movie; you'd look very silly.
(Legitimate complaint: Square has dropped the ball on not remaking FFVII for one very important reason: the original game's graphics are so outdated they now hurt the playability of the game and give you a headache. Please Square, announce a remake just so your damn game is tolerable again.)
so... what you are saying is that you are an old pack-rat and have no need for a rare game being re-released.
why the blog about it? companies recycle games all the time. if you don't buy it you don't buy it, some people can't experience chrono trigger legally without shelling the 100$, so let them remake it for the DS, they're doing it with dragonwarrior series, and the final fantasies. why not get the best RPG you can?
I'm happy that they are doing this, because in the SNES era, i was 10. 10 doesn't remember classic RPG elements and stories that well. Sorry we all weren't 25 around that era.
I don´t have problems with remakes being the same as the original ones.
But, I won´t buy a new port of a game if I finished he original one.
For example, I am playing hte FF I and II remakes on my PSP, but it´s because I was a little young and not interested when my NES was connected to my TV.
Necros & Orcist:
I see your point, I don't have to buy it nor will I but everytime these companies need some easy money they just spit out a remake and Ka-ching!
And really you don't think that the majority of the gamers that buy these remakes are the same ones that have played the game before or already own it? If these company relied on just new players to buy these remakes they wouldn't make much money at all.
Gotdamn that's a lot of vitriol over a small title! Did I when did the Angry Video Game Nerd get a blog on Destructoid?
For what its worth Inafune's line for why he's going retro with this one, is that he wants to revisit the experience from Mega Man 2 (which we all think is the best one, right? :p) and try to grab hold of what made people love the character/games in the first place. Which seems reasonable enough for me.
Will Capcom make a bunch of money off this game? Well yeah. This approach ends up maximizing profits, or at least risk. Its being made with a smaller team (because 8-bit doesn't need 12 riggers, 10 3D modelers, 3 physics specialists, etc) and there's lowered distribution costs.
Is Capcom cheating us out of a high quality title? Nope. Following Inafune's previous interviews about revisiting Mega Man, its always been about the bottom line. Given this low risk platform for revisitng the old games, he gives himself hard evidence on whether there's still interest in revisitng the franchise in this way further. I'm certain the sales numbers from this game will have a strong influence on further decisions on the Mega Man franchise.
Not to go to far on a tangent about games as art, but can so many people not just accept 8-bit as a reasonable aesthetic? Pixel-Jam does it with a minimal amount of whining, and their games are amazing.
Then, Mega Man 9 goes there (and as someone pointed out) just as they have previously and Capcom now gets flack for it? Its a series built on reusing core assets and gameplay and wrapping a new skin around it. And that's not cool? Now you're being cheated?
Further, the game is going to be the price of a sit down dinner for one. How is there so much uproar of being hoodwinked for a game that, at its core, will be a fun and true-to-the-original AAA experience for a less than AAA price?
With so many companies breaking old classis with updated gameplay to "advance" the series, I'm willing to take a game that just pulls back and focuses on new gameplay experiences built on a solid and simple gameplay system.
@y0j1mbo
You're forgetting people who have played it but don't currently have it in their collection. I've played Chrono Trigger but I don't currently have a copy in my collection.
One of my favorite games of all time, Soulblazer, is one that I've never actually owned a physical copy of, I used to rent it as a kid and now I emulate it. If Square-Enix were to release it to release a copy of it on the VC or some other online service I'd buy it without thinking twice.
I think the important thing about Mega Man 9 isn't how it looks but whether or not it's a return to the classic gameplay of the series. Think of it as DLC, if that makes it easier to swallow. It's just extending a game I already know and love by introducing new levels, weapons and enemies.
I kind of think of the new Mega Man as an expansion of the old ones. I mean, you can call it MM2, but the only difference between 2 and 3 was the levels. As long as they dont charge out the ass for it, I have no problem paying for the creativity it takes to make new levels. I love those games. I still fire up 2 just about every month on the NES. I have really fond memories of me and my friends blazing up and playing pass the controller with MM2 on the Mega Man collection. It brought us back to our childhood. So yeah, I'm a fan and I'm biased, but I would have shit my pants for this same MM back in the day. Nothings changed so much I cant get excited about it now, and no ones an idiot for liking it.
Everyone is neglecting the real issue here. We're getting the first-ever female Robot Master. Isn't the notion of equal rights for Robot Masters enough for you?
I love the aesthetic of the first few Mega Man games (especially the music), so I would be all over this if I had a Wii. I'm sure that plenty of love will go into crafting this game, so I don't really see it as a cash-in.
Fuck it. Cash-in or not, I'd still buy the game. For the most part, Capcom's earned my trust (and money) throughout the years.
I love the idea of new NES games being created for the VC. I hope it does well, and encourages more developers to experiment with the idea. Is this all that different from any number of GBA games that easily could have been released on the SNES? I grew up on the 8-bit games, and seeing those classic sprites brought back for an all-new game warms my icy heart with a hot island song.
Square is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they release a near identical port of a game we loved for a new generation or for gamers that don't have the original copy, they aren't trying hard enough. Or if they remade it with polygons and shiny new graphics everyone would complain it's too different. As a couple people have said, if you own it great! But for those of us that don't anymore or haven't why pick on it?
Now if they made a remake of Keen 4... that's would be a whole different story.
All this talk of Chrono Trigger being made available to the masses is bullshit.
Chrono Trigger new for 20 bucks
All you need is a system that can play PsOne games.
Oh, and they even give you FF4!
Sure, one can make the case that because the Psone had such bad 2D graphics it's not the same, but that's a line of BS.
The game plays the same and even has new FMV cut scenes. Only gripe is the loading time.
Oh, and I approve this blog. IT makes sense.
The only good that comes from this is that the PAL regions can play it. And of course, there is always the potential for a NEW Chrono game down the road.
Again, there is usually some kind of silver lining.
Meh, I somewhat agree with you about Megaman, but I'm really excited for Chrono Trigger DS, partly because I don't own the original SNES version anymore, and I'd rather just pay $30 for the DS game, then whatever ridiculous amount of money to buy a new SNES and a copy of the originol, and partly because if it sells well, it might inspire square to make a new game in the Chrono series, which would be awesome.
Not to nitpick, EDS, But the game was a really really terrible port. Lag time between attacks, framerate hitches, Glitchy menus and bad loading time are all valid complaints. I have the game and just can't play it. I keep going back to the SNES version.
But in all honesty, I'm going to buy the DS version. Why? Because I want to take a good port along with me where ever I go.
They like releasing new games as they like their monies, it makes them riches and happy smiles for everyone!
I do see it as a way for gaming companies to make a quick buck but if the majority of people actually are willing to continue to pay for games they will continue to make/re-make them.
Mega Man 2 is actualy the FIRST game that can remember playing....OHMIEGAWD!! I was 6 years old I think.
You seem blissfully ignorant of the Megaman series. Not that you don't have some sort of point buried under all the hyperbole and cutting-edge cynicism, but if you think that it would be out of character for Capcom to turn out a cookie-cutter Megaman game and call it a day, you're out of your gourd. That said, it doesn't look like that's what they're doing with it. I guess time will tell.
As for all the Chrono port, all I can say about it is that not everyone got to play it the first time out, so what's the harm in it?
Meh.
frozenbabylon: Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but for those that would like to play it on their TV instead of on the go, it's there for the taking, readily available. I'd say 20 bucks for CT and FF4 is a sweet deal, regardless of graphics and whatnot.
It's still the damn game, and anyone can order it RIGHT NOW.
But I see where you're coming from.
Did somebody say PAL? Yeah, I though I felt my Euro-sense tingling.
I like boobs... yet on each new girl it feels like a recollection of the old girl...
but I still pay for them :(
@CountingConflict, yeah, my experience is that the classic mechanics of Mega Man were the only truly successful mechanics out there. Why should they bother making a new style for MM when the previous attempts have been so awfully received?
As for the retro thing, it's important to realize that the more we want gaming to be a respected medium, the more we need to be able to refer to classics and have many ways for others to experience those references for themselves. (I can tell you how seminal the band Television was, but until that album was reissued, it's kind of hard to appreciate it, no?)
Virtual Console is clearly the best working example, but hey, even that only works on the Wii, and who knows if it will work on the Wii II? Without a one-console platform with perfect backwards-compatibility, we'll always have problems trying to play old titles, and we'll still have the need for ports and remakes.
Scratch that, I thought about it, and I don't agree with you at all about Megaman 9 ;)
@Eternal
It wasn't so much that it wasn't perfect, it's that it was almost completly unplayable.
@ Scary: I like you and all, but sorry, that's BS. I've personally owned that version of CT, and while it is not perfect, it is perfectly fine. Remember, it's not a hack and slash. It wasn't a great port, but it's certainly PLAYABLE.
I wholeheartedly agree, jimbo. I think this kind of thing is complete and utter shit on the behalf of devs. I mean, think if companies simply repackaged the same gameplay and mechanics (let alone graphics) over and over again and fed it to us like it was new and amazing. Shit, then every company would be Nintendo.
Zing.
But, seriously. Just imagine if this wasn't an 8-bit game by Capcom. What if a company like Sony released the next Jet Moto or Twisted Metal game with PSOne graphics simply because it was "retro." People would have a shit fit and get pissed off. But, because it's 8-bit and apparently 8-bit now passes as wall art and tattoos and shit, people don't give a fuck.
I for one (well, two if I count you, jimbo) am not interested in this form of shovelware at all. Amen.
I would buy a new Jet Moto with PSone graphics for 10 bucks. I think I bought the first Jet Moto off of PSN for about that much anyway. I really enjoyed that series.