Do you know as a parent, who your kids are playing online with? Do you even know they're online? Let me paint you a picture or in this case a scenario. A loving family buys their 12 or 13 year old a Wii. Lucky kid. One would think that kid was very lucky indeed but while that may be true, the majority of owners of the Wii will probably fit that age group. That's the golden age that Nintendo , as a whole, sell their consoles to. Oh sure before I get bombarded with I own a Wii and I'm 25 or something, take a poll at any Middle School and chances are if you ask them what Console they own the Wii will be on the top of that list. Casual gamers may be purchasing them in hordes but never forget that age group also takes a sizable chunk of those sales.
Back to the scenario. This kid overjoyed with the Wii is ecstatic beyond belief. Their Mom & Dad have just graduated from old Mom & Dad, to the best parents in the known universe. Now if little Johnny Doe has responsible parents, they'll hook everything up for them, make sure everything is working as it should and immediately go to the Parental Settings on the console to lock out certain online attributes..i.e. the browser. Nothing says porno lovin' like a web browser open to a curious child with plenty of uninterrupted time on his hands.
Now that that's done you leave, feeling good about the gift you gave your child and yourself for doing your part curbing any open source for a said pornographic encounter and the obligatory
talk that would of followed if such an incident would of occurred. At this stage in the scenario you don't worry about them jumping online because:
A. They need a friend code to play anybody online. Or to even send messages and or pictures too.
B. There is no voice chat for the child to employ. That right there also closes the door shut for any lurking pedophiles trying to lure or seduce your child. While that sounds melodramatic, unfortunately it's a
sad fact of life.
Will most Parents do what was described above? I'm going to have to say a hearty
Hell No. But because Nintendo has their stringent online strategy they are basically policing and covering their parents back as much as they can. If the kid downloads the browser, it's wholeheartedly the parents bag and they still need points to boot now.
End of Scenario
Let's try another one now. This time with the xbox 360.
If you were to apply that same circumstance to the 360, parents not setting up any Parental Settings or lockout of rated games, things are going to be a helluva lot different. The Xbox 360's architecture is simplicity itself getting online because just about every game is online. A kid can pick up a 360 controller and join any game like Halo3, COD4, and any other game you can think of. While most of the time we as adults are assaulted by these kids more than we do them, the fact is it is just too easy for any sick fuck to
put a bug in our kids ear .
Now I know what your going to say. That's the responsibility of the parents. And you are 100% correct. It
is the responsibility of the parents but unfortunately most parents are either too busy with work and use these game systems as babysitters, fall into the single parent demographic with the same babysitting technique or they're just too fucking ignorant of what these consoles with Internet access can do. Most dumb ass parents don't even hear the colorful metaphors, that are the usual medium online, because the kids have the headset on. To them the kids are having a blast, which they are, oblivious to the pretty anti-social rants distributed to them in their head. I'm not going to jump on the Jack Thompson bandwagon here, but I'm quite sure eventually, at the very least, kids will pick up on the more gregarious lingo of online and incorporate it in their vocabulary.
It would be nice if on Xbox Live you could report kids playing online Mature rated games like Halo and COD4, among others. You can report people for specific things like being a cheater, or an asshole, but to have a section to pick from saying
kid in a game they are not supposed to be in , would be a godsend as a parent and a gamer. Nothing turns me away more then playing a game I'm all into..get online and a 10 year old is gabbing on the other end. It not just feels wrong..but annoying as hell. I know I don't want to curb my language cause Skippy just joined my squadron. Consequences being their account voided. Harsh especially if it's their Dad's account but I'll bet he'll be more diligent about his kid playing said game.
I could add another scenario for the PSN network but let's get real. Adults have enough trouble syncing their bluetooth headset, let alone finding someone who has figured out how to talk on most of their games online. I think kids are safe on the PS3..lol. But it would be about the same experience as the 360 if everything gelled the way it's supposed to.
My point? Well earlier today a post was put on the front page about
Mario Kart not having voice chat and EVERYBODY was at arms about it. As a
gamer I agree with the people that said Voice Chat takes away from the camaraderie and enjoyment that feature adds to the gameplay. I also agree as a
gamer that Nintendo's online strategy sucks ass.
But as a parent of three children, it made me reevaluate my original opinion, and made me come to a conclusion. Nintendo may very well have the
safest online out of the three. And it took some
Big Ass Donkey Balls for Nintendo to stick to their guns, and still try to cover the slack of parents that aren't doing what they need to do for their kids. For Nintendo to recognize their base and look out for them, they get huge props from me and additionally more of my support.
Wait...
Nintendo has online?
Thanks Nintendo for gimping your online service so a bunch of 10 year olds with absent parents can have a bland, but safe experience.
While I mildly agree with you, I think a better strategy would be to have all consoles come with full parental controls active on all possible accounts and it is up to the user to disable them. Using credit card information or some other form of verifiable identification to take down the parental control barriers. It would be a little bit of a hassle, but it wouldn't be much different than showing your ID at a bar or an R rated movie..... except you'd only have to do it once.
But anyways, I totally agree that there are valid reasons to restricting online interactions. You know why Nintendo did this? because all internet people are jerks. We should probably focus on cleaning up our reputation instead of yelling at Nintendo for being afraid of our swearing and drunkenness.
You need a job here. Now.
You can create a child account and auto mute all strangers. Everyone except the account's friends list will be muted.
All you have to do is ask your kid whose who. Your job is easy. Sad thing is, other parents aren't as educated as gamer parents to know this.
If they put voice chat and user-name driven friends lists into pay-and-play games, I would say that Nintendo's service would become superior to Live.
I paid close to $50 for a year of Live Gold, and I've only used it's features a hand full of times. I played Gears online a total of maybe 10 hours, Bomberman Live a total of maybe 2 hours and Uno less than one... I tried playing Gauntlet and Marvel Ultimate Alliance, but couldn't find anyone to play with. So I paid $50 for 13 hours of online gaming along with the ability to download some demos earlier than other people... that's pretty shitty.
If I could pay $5 for a year of playing 1 Nintendo game I want to play online, I'd feel that was worth more... if it had the features I mentioned above.
But the PSN will beat them all if Home is as bad ass as it appears it will be, and if PSN accounts remain free.
@ DynamicSheep
"But the PSN will beat them all if Home is as bad ass as it appears it will be, and if PSN accounts remain free"
http://secondlife.com/
Tee-hee. Couldn't resist.
Basically, if they implement the things that Microsoft has done years ago, then Nintendo's service would become superior to Live.
Nintendo would need to start giving away free porn on their service for the general public before they even start considering it on the same playing field as Live. I only own the Wii, but I've seen enough of my friends's 360s to know that Nintendo is a longshot away from having a worthwhile internet component.
@ vexed
Yeah yeah, I'm talking about the integration with games... like the war room in warhawk. I could care less about playing virtual bowling in the virtual bowling alley with my virtual friends. What would really be amazing is if they integrated something like a night club for people to play Rock Band in.
Nice write-up, Jimbo. I’m still going to stand by my stance, which is pretty much in agreement with vexed alex. Allow the user to create child accounts, which won’t allow M-rated games to be played (or maybe just won’t allow them to be taken online) without some parental permission/password. As far as I’m concerned, if a parent can’t pay enough attention to his/her kid to take notice of the kinds of games he/she is playing, then that person should have his/her parental license revoked.
@Samit:
If only there were a "parental license"... the world would be a better place. Every new parent should have to meet the same requirements that people that are trying to adopt a child have to meet.
I have trouble taking a position on this.
I really want to be able to say "leave it up to the parent's, it's their job" because it is.
But until we have parental police forces going around checking out everyone's parenting skills, there are a lot of retards getting away with half assed parenting.
I'd much rather have the certain console companies try to take on the issue than have fear mongering laws force it on everyone.
This whole notion of "parents are to incompetent to take care of their kids so we have to do it for them" scares me. It's pretty damned pathetic.
It also makes me hate kids. Because of them adults have to go through bullshit.
LOL I R 18! I COUNT!
I don't really see what the deal is. What, people want voice chat to talk shit? Voice chatting has never really been my cup of tea. In fact, the only times I synced my headset with my PS3 was just to respond to shit talking on skate. The lack of voice chat will significantly lower the amount of nonsensical bullshit being transmitted from high school freshmen.
*sigh*
VOICE CHAT IS USED FOR TALKING TO YOUR FRIENDS! GET SOME OR GET THE FUCK OUT!
Seriously. I can't defend voice chat anymore. Someone please take over before I pass out.
@vexed_alex:
Wow. You are very passionate about voice chat. (I think you mean "Strictly Rude" for your Top 5 Big D album.)
Yeah. Great Ska album.
I agree with your stances. (The PS3 section made me laugh, too, by the way. :P)
Honestly, as a gamer, do I think that voice chat should be present on the Wii? Do I think text chatting should be in games? YES, on both counts. However, it's a sad fact that there are way too many stupid parents out there who WON'T protect their kids, and Nintendo pretty much HAS TO gimp their online services. If they didn't, those same stupid parents would sue Nintendo, saying the Wii isn't safe, and the really sad thing is that the PARENTS would probably win in court.
It's good to see that there are still a few good parents out there. Keep up the good work.
@vexed_alex:
Great ska album, but not a great Big D album. The Gipsy Hill EP was probably their best.
But yeah, since next to none of my friends have either a PS3 or a Wii, the lack of voice chat doesn't affect me much. It'd be good to have, but everybody shouldn't be so surprised about Nintendo's stance on such matters. The lack of true text chat in Mario Kart kind of sucks, but only in the sense that you'd only really be typing messages in the lobby and not in-game, unless you're able to type one-handed (a very amazing ability to have) or have a secretary able to type out your every word.
@ vexed
Give it up. People will praise Nintendo for not including it, since it eliminates listening to obnoxious people. But tomorrow if they announced they were going to include it, those same people would praise them for innovation.
@ Vide
Oh, I don't know about that. I really dig How It Goes. It sounds a lot more produced (duh) but I really enjoyed it more.
Though Checklist and Wailing Paddle ares bad ass songs.
Well I really really like voicechat in games... its the people on the other end that I don't really like all the time :-)
but If you start a party in COD4, get some friends together that are kinda the same age/country-region, you can have a blast, kinda like the FNF's :-)
immagine FNF without voicechat though...
There are ways to lock it down online services on the 360 and PS3. Parents just don't care to learn how to use them and would rather complain about the option being offered in the first place. If I'm an adult, I should be able to not be limited by kids' options, but Nintendo refuses to give me that choice.
I think voice chat is fantastic, so long as you're with the right people. I have to completely agree that nothing ruins the game experience more than some completely immature asshole who mouthes off for the sake of it. Unfortunately, i spose it only takes a few people to ruin it for the majority, and being able to effectively "police" these few is near on impossible without completely banning certain functions.
Nice write up, Y0j1mb0. Very well put.
As for me, if a game is worth playing, I probably will be to into it to "chat" with anyone anyway. I don't understand what the big deal is. And no one bitches about their phones using "friend codes" (e.i. phone numbers), so why does everyone complain about it with Nintendo?
Unless you're looking for some random kids to molest, friend codes shouldn't bother you too much.
I'm looking at you, Alex.
I have a solution to ensuring that your children don't get raped or misuse the internet....
FUCKING DO SOME PARENTING!
Not you, specifically, yojimbo, but parents in general.
"FUCKING DO SOME PARENTING"
I'm completely in fucking agreement. I get so sick of parents trying to blame everyone but themselves when something bad happens. Take some accountability and raise your damn kids!
Also, why do people want to talk to other people so badly? It's like get some friends and call them...Voice Chat is so unnecessary and most of the time annoying and severely abused by the majority of people.
"Also, why do people want to talk to other people so badly? It's like get some friends and call them...Voice Chat is so unnecessary and most of the time annoying and severely abused by the majority of people."
Because I should have to go out of my way because Nintendo refuses to, oh I don't know, make online gaming like it should be?
And of course you reference the obnoxious people. Yes, they do exist. I've seen them in voice chat for years. You know what I do to those people? I mute them. Is muting too hard for you?
I really hope this is just a troll.
While I think voice chat would be a great option to have, it's a total non-issue for me. If we were playing a team-based game where you needed to coordinate your attacks and defense with your fellow players, then it should definitely be included. But for something like Mario Kart or Smash Bros, I can live without it. Does it suck that Nintendo's online service falls behind the others? Yes. But that's why I'm glad there are three completing systems out there. If Nintendo's online plan pisses you off, you can go with Microsoft or Sony. In a perfect world, parents would take responsibility for monitoring their children's playing habits, the economy would be great, and there'd be peace in the middle east. We don't live in a perfect world. Nintendo's marketing their online system so parents don't have to worry about their kids playing over the net. If you want more freedom, you can go with the 360 or PS3. Personally, I'm still going to manage to have fun with Mario Kart and Brawl whether I can talk to my friends over it or not.
@SadieG
I used to play Monster Hunter over the phone with my friends. It sucked and I'm never doing that again.
You missed a critical point of Xbox Live.
The parents have to PAY for Xbox Live. If you don't pay, you don't get online. Where's a 10 year old going to get money for Xbox Live if not from the parents?
Seeing as how signing up for an Xbox Live account puts you in a legal contract with Xbox Live, at that point, the parents become liable for what their kids see and do online. So, if you're going to be an absentee parent who doesn't set up parental controls, blindly gives your credit card over to your kids and not set up a kid's account on the system, you deserve what's coming to you in terms of grief or questions from your kids about meeting up with 45 year olds at the mall.
I think Microsoft is probably the least vulnerable online networking service that's actually a real service. If you consider the myriad of ways that kids connect with other people these days with Facebook, MySpace, Zwinkies, Cellphones, 4chan, all that shit, Xbox starts to look like some sort of safe haven because if you're a smart parent, YOU WILL setup that child account. You WILL monitor their gameplay. You WILL set ratings limits and gameplay limits.
If you don't do this and hand your credit card over to your 10 year old child, then you are a fool.
@dvddesign
Not so much. You can purchase cards from a lot of different stores that you can use the code to get online and some games give you free 24 hour online passes. kids get money for a myriad of things, birthday, allowance,etc... They can easily purchase online access themselves.
know WTF your buying before you buy it
if you have enough time to buy a game systrem for your kid do some research
and if you can't do online research then you more in liekly don't have an internet connection so that takes care of that
but still wouldn't hurt to ask around
get educated pick up some of those lame gamestop flyer telling you about the ESRB and the system manufacture pampflet