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For years the demise of gaming on the PC has been foretold and for as many times as it's been prophesied those predictions have yet to come true. There may be a time when that may indeed come to fruition but until then PC gamers in general have a more diverse gaming catalog than the supposedly larger install base of the average console gamer. From RTS, to first rate FPS, to the real birthplace of the indie gaming scene, it begs the real question that should be on every gamer's mind. And no it isn't " Is the PC gaming market dying ? " but rather " Are PC Gamers SMARTER than Console Gamers?? " It certainly looks like they are. The games that are created for them are much more varied, far more intricate affairs. Typically they are also more mature and I don't just mean content but the level of maturity. Why are developers choosing the PCs over the consoles when creating great strategy games? Surely it can't just be about the controls, can it? With respectable RTS games being ported over to the Xbox360, are more advanced controls still a hindrance to developers? I'm not in the biz but I would think that's not the case anymore. Why are developers choosing the PCs over the consoles when creating great varied games period ? Is it because of the graphics side of things. Again with the Xbox360 and the PS3 housing some ooomph under their respective hoods, I would think this too is not the case anymore. Aside from the odd graphical beast that is Crysis, and even that is rumored to be heading to a console near you. No, perhaps the answer lies in the particular attributes of the average console gamer versus the average pc gamer and what that may entail. Could it be that pc gamers really are just smarter than console gamers? It seems that all we ever get on the console side of things are dumbed down shooters, simple third person adventure games, the cliche sports game and the occasional RPG. Even great games that could be shining examples of console exclusive greatness, like Half-Life 2 / Portal are ports of a PC game. Do developers just think we are too stupid to comprehend smarter fare like the pc crowd? Do they think we just want the equivalent of an action movie: just explosions and brainless filler? The answer to that in my opinion is probably yes. Console owners in general just want a quick fix of action and mayhem wrapped in a pretty package and they're satisfied before moving on to the next pretty and chaotic game. Alot of recent game series in my opinion haven't fared for the better because of their simplifying them to our console shores. Ghost Recon anybody? I remember playing that way back in the day and having a blast mapping out and setting my entry points for my men. Setting up their actions before even starting a mission. Now the once proud Ghost Recon has been turned into Rainbow Six without the better controls. Just a regular old shooter. Sure it's nice but it's not like before. Why can't we have games with more depth like the PC ? Sure they have their fare share of FPS but most of the best are Team Affairs with specific classes that are not there just for cosmetic reasons, COD4 anyone?, but to actually promote working together as a unit. What about some deeper games ? Sure Bioshock was good but was it really better than System Shock 2 ? Is it because we are viewed as morons who couldn't cope with more feature sets or is it because the majority of console gamers are satisfied with what they have. Innovative games don't sell, smart games equal lackluster sales. Perhaps that's what it is or maybe it's a combination of both. No better example of this would be Gears of War. An Xbox360 phenomena when it debuted on the system and has sold millions since its debut. Yet when it was ported to the PC, with extra content, it didn't fare well. Could it be that everybody owned it for the 360? Or could the answer lie in the assumption that to pc gamers the game really wasn't all that. I pretty much would bet that if that game came to the pc market only it would of never been the huge hit Cliffy and Co. have on their hands now. Could I be off here? Perhaps, but I don't think so. I think PC gamers expect more. Have you also noticed how pc gamers don't generally deal with trifling things like load times, installs, and fanboyism? It's funny because as of late, there have been discussions of a unified gaming system and all the while it's been under everybody's noses. The ever overlooked PC. You can't have fanboyism when you own a PC game. Hell while we are at it you don't deal with half the crap you deal with online with the consoles. There isn't going to be a kid rapping in your earhole 50 Cents new single, or some dumb ass with their voice altered to sound like Mickey Mouse or Darth Vader. If the PC hierarchy ever got their shit straight with the prices of graphic cards and even more simpler ways of building your own PC to suit your gaming appetite, then this supposed death cry of the PC could instead be a triumphant battle cry instead. My main reason for not gaming on a PC was price as well as not getting off my couch and enjoying the simplicity of sticking a game in my system of choice and playing on my big TV. With consoles acting more and more like PCs nowadays with patches and install times, and now with most if not all HDTVs having a way to connect your PC to it, why even bother with the inferior consoles? Again are PC Gamers smarter than Console Gamers? You tell me.
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Gaming grew up on PC or PC-type architecture and was largely a more technical affair in its early days for the player than any console game you can mention. Could you see the average person who is attracted to Halo or Gears being remotely interested in an adventure that used a text-parser?
The gaming 'scene' if you will for each format would I think naturally grow around what was available for it, so that market for more complex, technical games has been fostered over many generations whereas consoles have, as you mention always been about that "quick fix of action".
While I enjoy my console, PC gaming is where it's at really, especially online. Given the option of playing a bunch of vanilla game modes over P2P and hosted on someone elses box, or playing custom mods like Zombie Panic: Source for HL2 (a favourite of mine) on a dedicated server for free there is really zero competition.
regarding Ghost Recon, while GRAW was dumbed down on the consoles, the PC version had a bigger focus on the use of tactical play, further proving your points.
Hope you can see what I'm getting at as I don't want to make this comment even moar longer than it is.
Oh and for the record, we have our fair share of assbags online too :P
But at least PC gamers are more likely to become killers if you ask the German media.
I put together my rig for about £700 two or more years ago and I can run [u]anything[/u] on high settings and get better performance than current gen consoles thanks very much.
Factor in the difference of price of games (like £10-15 cheaper each) and the fact most people will spend a couple of hundred on a home PC for regular stuff even if they do have a console for gaming and the price difference is negligible.
Don't make yourself look like a retard.
Sure, it's much easier to buy consoles, but it's also easy to buy a pre-built computer (usually not as cheap though). It takes a lot more technical know-how to deal with PC problems over console ones, so I guess that's a feather in the PC's hat.
Fanboyism is just plain silly. What the hell is the point to be on one side? There isn't, otherwise you only miss out on great games on other platforms.
It's really a case-by-case basis. Intelligence isn't always determined by simply choosing one side over the other.
Unless if the sides are 360 and PS3. PS3 owners are OBVIOUSLY a lot smarter than 360 owners.
Agreed. When I get into a game on PC, I tend to sit down and play for hours way more often than having a multi-hour session on a console (except RE4). I don't know what it is, but I expect to be engulfed in the game more. I think it has to do with the proximity of the computer screen and the separation of your hands. To me, it feels a lot more interactive than sitting in your reclined chair hands symmetrically placed on a controller. I always laugh when I get to work and immediately grab the mouse and put my left fingers on the W, A, S, D keys. (or is that sad?)
I think people like me are willing to spend the extra cash on upgrades every few years for PC, for this very reason.
PC gamers play WoW, Crysis and Counter Strike. And pay for a new video card every few weeks (yep, I'm dragging this old chestnut up again). So I'm saying console gamers are more intelligent.
Then again, Painkiller was never released on consoles. Make of that what you will.
Based on my experiences playing Counter-Strike and World of Warcraft: No.
I think the main reason we see "Watered Down" games on the console isn't because developers think we're stupid, its because they feel the consoles attract a much more casual audience. The kind of folk that don't want to be boggled down with thousands of statistics in a RTS (Assuming they want to play an RTS in the first place), nor do they care about something as trivial as an in-game Economy or the difference between a red "Shield of Awesome" and a blue "Shield of Awesome."
I think you nailed it when you said you like to sit on your couch, toss in a game, and play it on your big TV. It's Comfortable. And, Developers know there's not a damn thing comfortable about monitoring a battle on 3 fronts, while simultaneously building new troops, building new defenses, researching new technology, implementing the new technology, managing income, managing morale, mining for resources, expanding your area of control, colonizing new area's, maintaining troops, maintaining defenses, and trash talking the opposition.
So the answer is yes, in my case, PC gamers are smarter than console gamers :P
...and Timmeh is correct..I love CS:S but play for more than an hour or 2 and your IQ drops 10 points due to the shitfucks that play it.
Anyway, as someone who has always primarily been a PC gamer there is a definite appeal to the platform over consoles. Before the current generation of system was released, the only reason for me to game on my PS2 was for the multitude of console-stlye RPG's that I was a fan of.
I wanted better looking games with more depth and internet connectivity, PC provided all of that and more. When the current generation was released, I picked up a 360. Although there are many games that I do enjoy playing on the system, it's library is completely saturated with FPS games now. Most of them are garbage too, I remember when a new FPS being released on PC used to be a big deal. They were always at the forefront of new graphics technology. Now, everyone can look like an Unreal Engine 3 game and people will buy it.
As far as the argument - "I don't like PC gaming because no matter how much you upgrade, your shit is obsolete in a matter of months and can't run the latest games without upgrading again. It's a never-ending battle. With consoles, you buy it and you play everything it has to offer for 5-10 years. " Completely false. Built it right the first time instead of half-assing it and you won't have to upgrade for awhile. When you do, you won't be throwing down a ton of cash for an entirely new setup.
Look into the ESA and AMD Game, Yojimbo. It's the start of a new alliance which is trying to make PC gaming more console-like. More standardization of parts and ESA branding on hardware that will run an entire list of games at 40FPS on average specs. It's not like most of us who have been gaming on PC's for years will need it, but if it lowers the entry level to PC gaming that means there will be more incentive to make games for an expanding market. There is still the issue of rampant piracy that needs to be dealt with though. :(
Back to my point, PC gaming can get complicated. Consoles have their difficult moments too, but it's mostly very straightforward. I go to the store, I pick up a game, I go home and play it and enjoy it. Then, about a week later, I go buy a new one.
This is another factor. Console gamers (usually) have an incredibly short attention span. Sure, when we get a new game, we can plow through it for HOURS, but once we feel like we're done, that's it. Of course there are exceptions, but I'm speaking in generalities here.
PC gamers can stick with a game for YEARS (Starcraft for example) and even add on to the game. They can build new levels and even, on occasion, new games (HL2 mods come to mind). Console gamers just don't have the resources to create and send, or just don't have the time. PC gamers are very dedicated, just look at the average WOW player. Console gamers are just killing time until the next big game.
And, most importantly, console gamers are cheap. Very. Fucking. Cheap. We want to buy games every week, not a new graphics card. I can't remember the last time I bought a game at full price (but that's just me). My game collection is so big (not compared to some of yours) because I'm so damn cheap.
But, I don't care how short your attention span is, Portal was too fucking short.
But then again, what the fuck is the definition between smart and dumb?
The reason I don't play PC games is simple; I have a shit computer. This thing chugs running The Sims. Good computers are expensive, and I don't have the patience or the money (being someone too young to drive) to make my own. Maybe one day I'll have a great gaming rig, and the first game I'll get is Battlefield 2142. But for now, Rock Band suits me.
Of course, there are console gamers like that too, but there are as many (if not more) 'casual' gamers - those who just want to jump in and have some fun for an hour or so (Even as a PC gamer, i can appreciate this; perhaps why i still love games like Guitar Hero and the Halo's) They really enjoy multiplayer stuff (so games focus on multiplayer) and games that are too complicated will just be thrown aside as 'boring'. Hence the reasons games like Bioshock and Oblivion were somewhat reduced in complexity from their predecessors, to the chagrin of many pc gamers. I think they have their place though; i enjoy killing shit as much as any moronic fratboy. Also these 'reduced' games can still be quite compelling; when i start up Mass Effect on my pc i dont stop for hours.
I dont think Gears failed too badly on pc because pc gamers dont want it; its more that most of those who were interested will have played it already, it had been out for quite a while. And since low numbers will buy it, online multiplayer will never take off. Pity really.
Oh and we dont bitch about installs because we get no choice, and load times are normally very short when youre loading from a hard drive rather than a disc (it can be painful to play consoles sometimes :P).
But fanboyism... we dont have 'platform' fanboys... we have god damn 'game version' fanatics. Counterstrike nerds are generally the worst (1.3 vs 1.6 vs Source... NEVER FUCKING ENDS), although TF Classic vets whining about how TF2 is not exactly the same really get me down.
I play everything, but have been a PC gamer most of my life. And yes, I used to think consoles are for dumb people, for which PCs are too complex (so you just build them a box which they can attach to their TV - really idiot proof). My favorite example always was "Deus Ex" and how its sequel was ruined by dumbing it down for console players.
But today I'm a little bit more tolerant. The difference between PC and console games is way smaller than it used to be. And today's PC-only games I find mostly uninteresting.
Still, the thing is: On my PC I have a games catalog that spans decades, including older console games and last but not least indie games. One of my favorite genres for example is interactive fiction (text adventures); ever tried to buy the 360 version of "Anchorhead" at Walmart? I don't like to be constricted that way console-only gamers are. And I too like to save anytime I want, goddammit.
But my perspective is surely different than most of yours. Where I live, PC gaming is much more mainstream and "normal". What the NES has been for you, the C64 has been to us.
Are you that insecure about your intelligence that you have to go and insult other people? Really?
Another argument is that PC's are too complicated. They're not complicated at all. I've built every PC I've owned since 2000, and haven't had any problems fixing hardware or software related problems. No "red rings" here. If you think PC's are too complicated, you probably should stick to consoles and let the big boys worry about maintaining PC's.
The last argument I want to point out is that console gamers are more intelligent because they spend less on a gaming console than what a PC costs. For most people, PC's have functionality beyond playing video games that makes the system worth the price of purchase. When I'm not PC gaming, I like programming, image editing, recording music, maintaining websites, and communicating with people who DON'T have xbox live. I can do all this on my PC.
Clearly you haven't look at some PC game forums, or heard vent servers for say World of Warcraft.
I think the obvious reason more than anything else is the cost of upgrading your PC to play the latest games. I spent well over $1200 a few years ago to get a gaming PC, and now if I want to play Crysis near its highest settings and get little lag I'll have to blow more cash. Its a money pit if you want to use it as your main gaming machine. A console gaming machine lasts much longer and is a much lower cost up front, and you don't normally don't have to upgrade it. Now that HDTV's are more commonplace and the graphics of the console systems are better pc gaming is losing the graphical edge, although still better, but not as much as past years.
I guess I don't get my pc stuff from the pc gnomes...however I am pretty sure that even 2 yr old gnomish technology would not run Crysis at full at high detail levels.
Really for me though, I gave up on PC gaming pretty much for the sole fact that I want to go home with a game, pop it in and play. Simple as that. I don't want to waste time getting the thing to run. I get to do enough work at the job.
At least money wise, Console > pc.
But otherwise, probably, because I can't get flippin DOSbox to run so I can play Oregon Trail.
More fail. I wish fuckers like you would actually look at the cost instead of pulling figures out of your ass. Failing that, just stop talknig shit.
It's not a matter of being smart or dumb, its about what you want. I enjoy putting together a new beast rig and seeing my games looks more amazing than anything that could run on a console. I love all the things my computer can while apart from games.
Some people just want to halo and yell at 12 year olds.
So, what you're telling me is that video cards don't cost a much a a mid-sized sedan and need to be replaced immediately after sticking them into the PCI-E slot? You learn something new every day.
"PC gamers don't re-buy faulty hardware. So, yes. Yes they are."
...in my pants.
Didn't take me too long to learn how to build a PC. The main thing is not being afraid of breaking your PC by opening it and pulling it apart. I started with upgrading RAM, then moved up to video cards, replacing cd-rom drives with cd burners, replacing cd burners with DVD burners, etc. What else is there after that? Basically just learning to put the proc on the motherboard, learning to put the heatsink on the proc, and mounting the mobo in the chassis. With previous experience, I watched a friend build a computer once, and I knew how to do it after that. So yeah, it does take a bit of knowledge to do it, but it's mainly just sticking things in slots.
Reading some of these posts, I don't think a lot of people have been keeping track of the prices of PC components. I built my entire PC for $1050 (even less than that after rebates), and it might not run Crysis at maximum, but it runs everything else at maximum with no problems. I'm running an Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 with a custom cooler OC'ed to 4.0ghz ($250 with zalman cooler), 4gb of DDR2 800 ram ($140), factory overclocked MSI Geforce 8800GT 512M ($200), 500gb hard drive ($100). Mobo was $150. Everything else was < $100. Plus, I got The Witcher free with the video card, which runs at maxed everything with no stutter, 1680x1050 resolution.
PC's aren't as expensive as you guys are making them out to be, unless maybe you buy the absolute newest parts right when they come out.
PC gaming is a waste of money and there's no variety, what do you get with PC gaming?
Better visuals? Sure that's true.
Better controls? Subjective, I can't stand the mouse/kb combo and its only good for FPS and RTS games.
What about variety? The next big game for PC gamers is Starcraft 2, an RTS, before that was Age of Conan, an MMO, before that is some other FPS. That's all PC gaming ever seems to get, RTS, MMO's or another damn shooter.
Plus the upgrading as for some reason companies cannot find another way to make their games better other than cranking up the visuals.
So no they are not.
And honestly, it doesn't matter what its designed on. Complex, well developed games should be done on all platforms, and should not be simplified because of another. This is the gaming industry, as a whole, it should be supported in its entirety, and not neglected because of another system. Which unfortunately has been the case recently with some major titles.
I think it's hilarious that Y0j1mb0 wrote this, and as I read the comments I'm noticing a lot of console fanboys mouthing off. LOL.
Proving Y0j1mb0 right = PRICELESS!!!
If you say schmups and platformers, I will hurt you... those aren't coming out on consoles either. At least not new ones. Anyway, PC has NOT emulators for NOT playing better console games than the crap that's being churned out on consoles nowadays.
You get a library that spans over 30 years and possibly every genre that ever existed.
Also, sometimes games just don't make the translation from console to PC well, specifically (and mostly) the controls. I guess you could use a USB gamepad, but doesn't that just beat the purpose? But, that being said, the same goes for PC to console, but that's a given. *cough RTS*
No PC fanboyism? You really think that the PC gamers aren't elitist? The only reason they aren't heard as loudly is because the console owners drown them out...
PC gamers expect more from games? And GoW is your example? I think GoW releasing some 18 months before on the 360 had more than a little to do with the success on the PC...
As for not having the 10 year olds rapping...Well, I can't say. I know those little fuckers won't shut up when they have a mic...
I couldn't imagine playing Age of Empires on my 360 and getting the same depth and experience because on my PC I have way more control, and more input options. And I don't want a KB/M set up for consoles...It's all well and good if you like that, but I bet there are more ppl like me who rather play with the controller, and don't want to be at a disadvantage because someone has more precision with the mouse...I hate the KB/M for games, that's why I buy consoles.
There are parts of your point that make sense, but overall I don't think the question holds much merit. The only real advantage of playing on a PC is getting pirated copies of games, and not having 'enhance' my PC to play pirated copies. They could charge 5 bucks for kick ass video cars and ram...I'd still play on a console. When you say ‘if the PC hierarchy got their shit together they could…’ the same could be said about the developers finding easier and more ways to facilitate deeper control schemes and set ups for games that are tough to translate now.
There is always room for improvement, in just about anything we do. But the PC is a dying platform. Piracy and the consoles ease of use and long term cost efficiency make it a knock out. There will always be PC games...But the days of the PC being a preeminent game platform are over.
Sure, graphics aren't all that matters, so that's why you can buy a budget gaming PC and scale down the graphics... it'll still look better than current gen consoles.
Consoles definitely support a wider variety of genres than PC, but PC has better games within the genres that is specializes in, and when it comes to video games, I'm a quality over quantity kind of guy.
Anyway, I don't think pc gamers are more intelligent, they just skew older.
What's your point? Games aren't as deep on consoles? Game diversity?
Why belabor this point anyway? People have their preferences. I like what I've got and I'm glad I'm rid of the giant debt of gaming on a PC. If someone else likes it, let 'em have it.
But about your last comment, I enjoy a quantity of quality ;)