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The land of Achievements..such a silly place. Once upon a time before the Xbox360 came into being there was a period of playing games for the sole reason of just playing them. Where there was no such thing as a gamescore and better still no such thing as achievements to worry about. A video game land barren of those things that just occupied itself with just playing a game with no need of someone leading them by the nose on how to enjoy their respective purchase or how to extend their time with it. Such a wondrous time of using your own sadistic tendencies to create enjoyment for yourself without having to be given a script to adhere to. Where the only reward system in play was the one you created for yourself. The Old School Gaming Age ... ahh, memories. So back to the present, just what is up with that post title ? Did that title grab your attention by the balls? Did you feel compelled to see this magical reason that the 360 software has over the PS3? Were you maybe thinking how my console preference changed overnight because I saw the light..the light of achievements ? Chances are if you clicked on this post it was because of four reasons: Number One: You love your Xbox 360 and like to have your carrot waxed by other Xbox 360 Console owners by them telling you another reason it's better than the PS3 and hence justify your purchase as well as fellate your ego as an added bonus. Number Two: You love your PS3 and are already pouring gasoline in your flame throwers ready for the flame war that might begin. Your probably deciding which witty banter relating to RROD to use from your repertoire. Number Three: The inflammatory title itself. ( For owners of anything else ) The title begs for an argument to be had before even reading the piece. Whatever else I write in this here blog/post, it's that title that will fuel the online fisticuffs that may follow. And finally the rare Number Four: You may be a fan of my blogs. The rarest reason of all and quite the minority. These people are honest to goodness weird and have been known not to have good taste at all. The blog title BTW, is a direct comment from a fellow Dtoider on one of Gameboi's recent Write Up. A good read that is smartly titled for getting extra attention from the usual Defenders of Truth, Justice and their Console Way. This post is really about how Microsoft are Mad Merlinesque Magicians... geniuses even. The person/people at that epic business meeting long ago that introduced the Achievement Model into being, should be in an island somewhere G-ing off, chillin' with much loot and whores aplenty when he snaps his fingers, because if achievements never were, things might be looking different for Microsoft.
To dismiss the achievement phenomena is not the point here. For its reaches are far and wide. It's so embedded in our way of gaming life that there isn't at least one person who has blogged that hasn't used the Achievement Unlocked blurb on their posts. T-shirts have that tag emblazoned on their designs and don't be surprised to see Late Night Shows sprinkle a joke in their monologue about them as well. I just never got them. I know I'm in the the minority here when I sincerely say Achievements haven't lulled me to join the masses way of thinking. Maybe it's because I could give a shit about a mythical number or gamerscore that doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Maybe it's because I could care less about being patted on the back for finishing the first level of something. Kind of like giving a retard a pat on the back for doing something mediocre or mundane. Then again it could also be the intrusive nature of the pop up itself. I don't know about you but I tend to try to get into the game. That illusion is shattered severely when I'm playing and shoot someone in the crotch and out comes the blurb Achievement Unlocked Ball buster or something even less witty. As a matter of fact, deviating from my point for a minute, I tend to think this period of next-gen consoles while better technically, have introduced to the pipe works more ways to get you out of the games in general. And this is not 360 centric..this is also PS3. I'll be honest..while I love all my friends , I just don't need to know when you boot up your system and get online. Usually this act is also followed by a blurb or announcement: Shipero is online... when I'm playing a game like Condemned 2 in the dark, heart pounding being wary of a fuckin' doll..and then Shipero online shows up. Sorta like a slap in the face telling you Hey stupid..if you didn't already know it, your playing a game. Snap out of it!! What's next? Ads popping in while I'm playing? A little ticker on the bottom of my game telling me I Am Legend is on the Marketplace or PSN store ready to be downloaded should I choose it? [End of mini Rant] Back to my point, when I read Microsoft even had to adopt a cheating repellent program to highlight players for taking shortcuts to enhance their gamescore points, points mind you that are not as far as I know financially lucrative, that can't be traded in for something useful like oh I don't know..money , and you start seeing how silly they may seem. I actually find it a scary proposition that Microsoft can dip in your account that you paid for and can alter it to say you're a cheater to the world at large. Big Brother invading your privacy to chastise you for cheating. Over some mythical gamerscore that they themselves created. Crazy.
I guess reading the comment " You can't get Achievement points playing on a PS3... I'm definitely going for the Xbox360 version. Always." I realized how entrenched the concept of achievements are rooted to the underbelly of gaming now. I know..I know..Captain Obvious flies above. I just still don't get it. I can see choosing the better version if you own all the consoles, the one that's not bug filled, which to be honest generally tends to be the PS3 version because of shoddy devs, but to choose one over the other for achievements just doesn't come into play for me. In my opinion the achievement model created for Microsoft is the reason why it has a better software attachment rate and ultimately one of the main reasons why, aside from the year head start, their console is continuing it's sales dominance over Sony. ( Might also be that elusive answer why their defective RROD rate isn't hurting them as it should ) The strategy that most pundits would divulge to Sony is : copy them. Make your own form of achievement in place. If you can beat them..join them. No big surprise that they have started doing just that with their Trophy system in place for when Home rolls out. As well as first party games incorporating these little virtual attaboys as seen in games like Uncharted and the new Ratchet & Clank. Personally I think they should just make great games. If the games are good..people will come. The time to judge the purchase of a game on just whether it has achievements or not shouldn't be the deciding factor of a game. I know my opinion is in the minority here. But ask yourselves this question. When was the last time you saw a great first party Nintendo game with achievements? Here's another question for you as well. Do you think they will incorporate them into their games? I don't think so. The games speak for themselves, as they should. In closing, every time I hear a comment about achievements being the sole reason over the PS3, I can't help but shake my head in puzzlement and additionally imagining said Microsoft executive that created the module in the first place, snapping his fingers for another whore in his private island. I don't know about you..but if any man deserves an excess of debauchery and merriment..it's him.
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I don't care about achievements myself, really. I like seeing that shit, but it makes no difference. But, it certainly effects my purchases in the end. It's become a way of measuring your E-Penis and so even I, whiteboy, am ashamed in some way to have such a low Gamer Score.
So, in many cases I buy the 360 version. But usually it also has something to do with how the game runs on each system.
But lately I've been afraid to buy games on the 360, at least multiplayer games. May is the one year anniversary of my first RROD, and also the second anniversary of my 360 purchase. So I'm bracing for it's death, any day now.
I'm a little confused on the whole invasion of privacy thing. I mean your whole gamertag profile is pretty much open to the world already. And it's not like they're doing it based on some guys who doesn't like you. I'm missing something here.
...ok not so much. I actually agree, I think acheivements have become something very lame. The underlying idea is great. It gives you more ways to try and "beat" the game. It gives you the ability to do things like dvddesign's contest.
But gamerscore fags are annoying as hell. They really have taken something cool and made it lame.
If someone buys a game on 360 instead of PS3 just for achievements, thats valid, but lame. I personally bought R6 Vegas 2 for PS3 just because I felt like it. No other reason. No achievements? I couldnt care less.
However, I've stated this before, Insomniac had "achievements" long before the 360 reared its head. Go back to Ratchet & Clank 1 and you'll find the system is there, it just makes you work harder.
I don't really know where I'm going with this, I was just sayin'
lots of people. not me though.
Seriously though, I never saw the appeal. I play games for fun, not for some odd sense of accomplishment.
Also,
The people who play 360 games just for achievements are probably the ones who post shitty videos of themselves doing a full combo on a song from the Guitar Hero series.
I love my Gamerscore, and I enjoy seeing what I've played and how thurough I was with it, not to mention other gamers as well. If I lost my GS, I wouldn't be happy, but it also wouldn't be the end of my "gaming career". That would just be stupid of me to say or do.
Memory cards are worth more than my Gamerscore. The memories...
My question is : There are people who religously bulk up their GS. There are people who hate achievements and think they're a plauge. Then there are people who can enjoy the former and the latter without taking some kind of stance or making a fanboy rant.
I prefer to be that third person. While I would prefer some games on the 360 over the PS3 because of achievements, that's just the nerd collector in me. Like pogs, trading cards, or even retro games. It's not that you feel you earned something you couldn't on the PS3, it's the feeling of having the collection. Kind of like a memory card. I used to love swapping memory cards with my friends..
(Good blog, but its more of a bias rant than a thought provoking article (which is always fine, too. Inquiring minds like to hear different perspectives). It's not bad to speak your mind most of the time.. but sometimes it's better to just keep to yourself. We know that. How many blogs have you done that praises Sony and condemned MSoft? Maybe you should try to wear the other shoes, just to be fair, and maybe so your opinions will have more merit.)
When I played Bioshock, I was stuck at one point and used a walkthrough to figure out where I was supposed to go next. At the beginning of the walkthrough, it said "If you want to get all the achievements in one go, turn off the Vita-Chambers and play on hard." WTF? When I was playing, I had to switch over to easy at some points because I wanted to continue the plot and was tired of it take a half hour of dying and regenerating to kill a Big Daddy. How can you concentrate on the game if you literally have to save every 5 minutes because the Vita-chambers aren't on?
I think achievements are good in the sense that they push you to get more replay value out of your game, but I think concentrating too hard on them just takes away from the experience.
As for the E-penis, some of the guys I worked with at Gamestop rented out Spiderman" FoF just because the achievements were really easy to get. Ugh.
The achievements are fun. I enjoyed getting my full 1k on COD4, I think it adds another element to the game that you can choose to follow or choose to ignore. They could expand on it for sure, allowing players to highlight their favorite achievements on a wall of medals or something.
Mile High club, bitches! :]
Actually, it's strange that you picked Shipero, because I would have picked him as my example too. He must get around...
& The number 4 type person isn't a minority, stop being a pessimist Jimbo.
Not that I feel I need achievements. If they were completely removed from games I would have no problem. Cuz, If you REALLY need a machine to make you feel good about something you did in a game, there's something wrong there. But it's nice to have immortal proof that you WERE able to do something, so you can look back and think "Yeah I remember doing that. It was fucking awesome".
So it's even sadder that some people fell the need to cheat in order to do tat. Theres no fun in that. It takes away from the entire experience, and is completely pathetic.
I agree with you 100%, Y0j1mb0, but unlike you, I actually am biased (I don’t own a 360 and I don’t plan on ever getting one). Maybe if Sony had implemented their “Accomplishments” system from the get-go, I would have a different outlook.
You're taking it a little too serious at that point....
It feels good to know you're sick with the standard handgun.
I just think it's a shame that so many insecure people equate a large gamerscore with being cool. Oh well, it's easy to ignore them and use achievements as a way to enhance your game playing experience. Furthermore, go and use MaxVest's advice and just turn them off if the entire enterprise annoys you.
I don't have a PS3 yet, but when I do, I plan on continuing to buy multiplatform games on 360 not just for the integrated achievement system, but because a) most of my friends are on Live, which is amazingly well-integrated, and b) I never liked the PS2/PS3's controller that much to begin with, especially compared to the 360's controller. But that's just me; your mileage may vary.
I just think it's a shame that so many insecure people equate a large gamerscore with being cool. Oh well, it's easy to ignore them and use achievements as a way to enhance your game playing experience. Furthermore, go and use MaxVest's advice and just turn them off if the entire enterprise annoys you.
I don't have a PS3 yet, but when I do, I plan on continuing to buy multiplatform games on 360 not just for the integrated achievement system, but because a) most of my friends are on Live, which is amazingly well-integrated, and b) I never liked the PS2/PS3's controller that much to begin with, especially compared to the 360's controller. But that's just me; your mileage may vary.
Damm I got all those orbs in crackdown without a map and its nice to show of how big that e-penis is. It kinda appeals to the same part of me which wants to unlock the nice camo for guns in games. I suppose that part of me is a bit of a wanker.
Grats on the writeup
I like achievement points and I can't hide that fact. I'm not an achievement whore at all and I don't play shitty games that I don't like for points (although thanks to DVD, King Kong is on my list..not my fault.) If a game comes out on all the consoles I own, I'm buying it for 360 because of achievement points. Unless the PS3 offers something extra, i.e Hard Boiled in HD, there's no reason for me to buy it on PS3. Achievement points are my deciding factor for cross platform games.
I've already articulated my love for them and expressed that I'm not a whore when it comes to them. They are just meaningless points that give me more value out of my games. Simple as that. I use them as challenges and when I achieve them, I say yeah and move on to the next.
plus I'm in a mini war against ButMac and Snaileb that they don't know about. So don't tell them.
I've said this a million times before in about a million different blogs before, but I guess I'll say it again. Personally, I'll never get a game for achievements, or play it again if I don't like it solely for achievements, but if I like the game it gives me something to look forward to on the second playthrough.
Would I purchase an inferior version just because of achievements? Absolutely not. If the two versions are identical, though, except for the added bonus of achievements for 360 I'm going to buy it for xbox. I really don't see why anyone would do any different, unless of course they have a lot of personal investment in the console wars and want Sony to win.
The only way it makes sense not to buy that game is to argue that the extra feature makes the game worse. Is a game with achievements worse than the same title without achievements?
jk
For instance, I have no fear of my PS3 breaking. 360, on the other hand, has already RROD once. So like I said, I actually take this into account. If it's an online game I'll get a lot of mileage out of, then I will now consider the PS3 version, regardless of PSN not working as well as LIVE.
Better to have a bit of lag then no system to play your brand new game on.
Stop trying to win my love. It's not working.
But if it's online then personally I would always go xbox, cause that's just where my friends are. Personal thing.
If the idea of an achievement system is a fundamental hoodwink, I assume it would be that way no matter which company implements the system, or how reliable the hardware it runs on.
I have a friend I work with who I consider to be an achievement whore (though not a very good one). He takes enjoyment out of increasing his gamer score as it is a measureable unit of seeing how much time he spends on games and how thoroughly he plays said games. This makes things difficult because he rarely pays attention to the story- he just focuses on the achievement, making conversations about the game a bit unusual.
He has a lot of fun doing it though. Is it inconsequential? Absolutely. But so is my time trying to play and enjoy the mechanics and the story. It’s a video game. A method of entertainment.
We’re all playing to have fun. If someone decides to play the same game as me for a different reason- I can’t knock it because it’s not my money and they’re still enjoying themselves.
One should never be afraid to purchase games for his actual preferred system because he or she is afraid of it breaking in the middle of the game.
Wow, that's a serious problem. Damn.
Not that I'm saying you're denying them anything, but I think asking someone why achievements mean so much to them is like asking why do they like solving puzzle games, or why do they like taking headshots, or why do they like playing and beating videogames.
In essence, all of those are achievements.
So I would agree with you that they should just make great games. But remember, there are people out there that feel achievements enhance their experience. So in a way, to them having achievements in a game makes it better than those that don't have them. I don't think it really matters why.
Beyond just playing games, having fun is having fun.
Would I use it to determine which system I buy a game on? Never. It always comes down to performance and extra content for me.