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Name: Francisco *AKA* Y0j1mb0

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" You can't get Achievement points playing on a PS3... I'm definitely going for the Xbox360 version. Always."
Y0j1mb0 | 3:29 PM on 04.03.2008 103 comments



The land of Achievements..such a silly place.




Once upon a time before the Xbox360 came into being there was a period of playing games for the sole reason of just playing them. Where there was no such thing as a gamescore and better still no such thing as achievements to worry about. A video game land barren of those things that just occupied itself with just playing a game with no need of someone leading them by the nose on how to enjoy their respective purchase or how to extend their time with it. Such a wondrous time of using your own sadistic tendencies to create enjoyment for yourself without having to be given a script to adhere to. Where the only reward system in play was the one you created for yourself. The Old School Gaming Age ... ahh, memories.

So back to the present, just what is up with that post title ? Did that title grab your attention by the balls? Did you feel compelled to see this magical reason that the 360 software has over the PS3? Were you maybe thinking how my console preference changed overnight because I saw the light..the light of achievements ? Chances are if you clicked on this post it was because of four reasons:

Number One:

You love your Xbox 360 and like to have your carrot waxed by other Xbox 360 Console owners by them telling you another reason it's better than the PS3 and hence justify your purchase as well as fellate your ego as an added bonus.

Number Two:

You love your PS3 and are already pouring gasoline in your flame throwers ready for the flame war that might begin. Your probably deciding which witty banter relating to RROD to use from your repertoire.

Number Three:

The inflammatory title itself. ( For owners of anything else ) The title begs for an argument to be had before even reading the piece. Whatever else I write in this here blog/post, it's that title that will fuel the online fisticuffs that may follow.

And finally the rare Number Four:

You may be a fan of my blogs. The rarest reason of all and quite the minority. These people are honest to goodness weird and have been known not to have good taste at all.

The blog title BTW, is a direct comment from a fellow Dtoider on one of Gameboi's recent Write Up. A good read that is smartly titled for getting extra attention from the usual Defenders of Truth, Justice and their Console Way.

This post is really about how Microsoft are Mad Merlinesque Magicians... geniuses even. The person/people at that epic business meeting long ago that introduced the Achievement Model into being, should be in an island somewhere G-ing off, chillin' with much loot and whores aplenty when he snaps his fingers, because if achievements never were, things might be looking different for Microsoft.



To dismiss the achievement phenomena is not the point here. For its reaches are far and wide. It's so embedded in our way of gaming life that there isn't at least one person who has blogged that hasn't used the Achievement Unlocked blurb on their posts. T-shirts have that tag emblazoned on their designs and don't be surprised to see Late Night Shows sprinkle a joke in their monologue about them as well.

I just never got them. I know I'm in the the minority here when I sincerely say Achievements haven't lulled me to join the masses way of thinking. Maybe it's because I could give a shit about a mythical number or gamerscore that doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Maybe it's because I could care less about being patted on the back for finishing the first level of something. Kind of like giving a retard a pat on the back for doing something mediocre or mundane. Then again it could also be the intrusive nature of the pop up itself. I don't know about you but I tend to try to get into the game. That illusion is shattered severely when I'm playing and shoot someone in the crotch and out comes the blurb Achievement Unlocked Ball buster or something even less witty.

As a matter of fact, deviating from my point for a minute, I tend to think this period of next-gen consoles while better technically, have introduced to the pipe works more ways to get you out of the games in general. And this is not 360 centric..this is also PS3. I'll be honest..while I love all my friends , I just don't need to know when you boot up your system and get online. Usually this act is also followed by a blurb or announcement: Shipero is online... when I'm playing a game like Condemned 2 in the dark, heart pounding being wary of a fuckin' doll..and then Shipero online shows up. Sorta like a slap in the face telling you Hey stupid..if you didn't already know it, your playing a game. Snap out of it!! What's next? Ads popping in while I'm playing? A little ticker on the bottom of my game telling me I Am Legend is on the Marketplace or PSN store ready to be downloaded should I choose it?

[End of mini Rant]

Back to my point, when I read Microsoft even had to adopt a cheating repellent program to highlight players for taking shortcuts to enhance their gamescore points, points mind you that are not as far as I know financially lucrative, that can't be traded in for something useful like oh I don't know..money , and you start seeing how silly they may seem. I actually find it a scary proposition that Microsoft can dip in your account that you paid for and can alter it to say you're a cheater to the world at large. Big Brother invading your privacy to chastise you for cheating. Over some mythical gamerscore that they themselves created. Crazy.



I guess reading the comment " You can't get Achievement points playing on a PS3... I'm definitely going for the Xbox360 version. Always." I realized how entrenched the concept of achievements are rooted to the underbelly of gaming now. I know..I know..Captain Obvious flies above. I just still don't get it. I can see choosing the better version if you own all the consoles, the one that's not bug filled, which to be honest generally tends to be the PS3 version because of shoddy devs, but to choose one over the other for achievements just doesn't come into play for me.

In my opinion the achievement model created for Microsoft is the reason why it has a better software attachment rate and ultimately one of the main reasons why, aside from the year head start, their console is continuing it's sales dominance over Sony. ( Might also be that elusive answer why their defective RROD rate isn't hurting them as it should ) The strategy that most pundits would divulge to Sony is : copy them. Make your own form of achievement in place. If you can beat them..join them. No big surprise that they have started doing just that with their Trophy system in place for when Home rolls out. As well as first party games incorporating these little virtual attaboys as seen in games like Uncharted and the new Ratchet & Clank.

Personally I think they should just make great games. If the games are good..people will come. The time to judge the purchase of a game on just whether it has achievements or not shouldn't be the deciding factor of a game. I know my opinion is in the minority here. But ask yourselves this question. When was the last time you saw a great first party Nintendo game with achievements? Here's another question for you as well. Do you think they will incorporate them into their games? I don't think so. The games speak for themselves, as they should.

In closing, every time I hear a comment about achievements being the sole reason over the PS3, I can't help but shake my head in puzzlement and additionally imagining said Microsoft executive that created the module in the first place, snapping his fingers for another whore in his private island. I don't know about you..but if any man deserves an excess of debauchery and merriment..it's him.



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MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:33
MrSadistic
Oh you and your lovely rants.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:38
EternalDeathSlayer
You're so damn imflammatory. Damn you!

I don't care about achievements myself, really. I like seeing that shit, but it makes no difference. But, it certainly effects my purchases in the end. It's become a way of measuring your E-Penis and so even I, whiteboy, am ashamed in some way to have such a low Gamer Score.

So, in many cases I buy the 360 version. But usually it also has something to do with how the game runs on each system.

But lately I've been afraid to buy games on the 360, at least multiplayer games. May is the one year anniversary of my first RROD, and also the second anniversary of my 360 purchase. So I'm bracing for it's death, any day now.
NotAZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:38
NotAZombie
Holy shit Sadistic you're fast as hell. I bet blehman is in here before I post this as well.
phamtq's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:40
phamtq
"I actually find it a scary proposition that Microsoft can dip in your account that you paid for and can alter it to say you're a cheater to the world at large. Big Brother invading your privacy to chastise you for cheating."

I'm a little confused on the whole invasion of privacy thing. I mean your whole gamertag profile is pretty much open to the world already. And it's not like they're doing it based on some guys who doesn't like you. I'm missing something here.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:41
king3vbo
FANBOY

...ok not so much. I actually agree, I think acheivements have become something very lame. The underlying idea is great. It gives you more ways to try and "beat" the game. It gives you the ability to do things like dvddesign's contest.

But gamerscore fags are annoying as hell. They really have taken something cool and made it lame.

If someone buys a game on 360 instead of PS3 just for achievements, thats valid, but lame. I personally bought R6 Vegas 2 for PS3 just because I felt like it. No other reason. No achievements? I couldnt care less.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:43
EternalDeathSlayer
Hey, same here King. I bought Rainbow Six Vegas 2 on the PS3, mostly because of the Dtoid community. Achievements mean nothing in the end.
-D-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:46
-D-
I'm in the same boat as far as achievements are concerned.

However, I've stated this before, Insomniac had "achievements" long before the 360 reared its head. Go back to Ratchet & Clank 1 and you'll find the system is there, it just makes you work harder.

I don't really know where I'm going with this, I was just sayin'
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:46
Tubatic
word. Its pretty brilliant when you can attach a meta-game to a game, let alone a whole game console. cuz people loves them some meta-games.

lots of people. not me though.
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:46
shipero
In the end none of it matters... Dust in the wind man, dust in the wind.

Seriously though, I never saw the appeal. I play games for fun, not for some odd sense of accomplishment.
Sadie G's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:52
Sadie G
OMG I UNLOCKED A BONER!
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:53
Takeshi
You said sadistic hehehe
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:56
MrSadistic
Takeshi was stalking you again, Sadie. Results posted later on in the show.

Also,

The people who play 360 games just for achievements are probably the ones who post shitty videos of themselves doing a full combo on a song from the Guitar Hero series.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:57
Snaileb
I came here because I was hoping this was directed at Achievement whores.

I love my Gamerscore, and I enjoy seeing what I've played and how thurough I was with it, not to mention other gamers as well. If I lost my GS, I wouldn't be happy, but it also wouldn't be the end of my "gaming career". That would just be stupid of me to say or do.

Memory cards are worth more than my Gamerscore. The memories...

My question is : There are people who religously bulk up their GS. There are people who hate achievements and think they're a plauge. Then there are people who can enjoy the former and the latter without taking some kind of stance or making a fanboy rant.

I prefer to be that third person. While I would prefer some games on the 360 over the PS3 because of achievements, that's just the nerd collector in me. Like pogs, trading cards, or even retro games. It's not that you feel you earned something you couldn't on the PS3, it's the feeling of having the collection. Kind of like a memory card. I used to love swapping memory cards with my friends..

(Good blog, but its more of a bias rant than a thought provoking article (which is always fine, too. Inquiring minds like to hear different perspectives). It's not bad to speak your mind most of the time.. but sometimes it's better to just keep to yourself. We know that. How many blogs have you done that praises Sony and condemned MSoft? Maybe you should try to wear the other shoes, just to be fair, and maybe so your opinions will have more merit.)
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:58
mix
I'm in the same boat as King and EDS and even my bro (who owns the 360) could care less.
nintendoll's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 15:59
nintendoll
I was thinking some stuff along the same lines. I think game play experience is lost sometimes when you try to get achievements.

When I played Bioshock, I was stuck at one point and used a walkthrough to figure out where I was supposed to go next. At the beginning of the walkthrough, it said "If you want to get all the achievements in one go, turn off the Vita-Chambers and play on hard." WTF? When I was playing, I had to switch over to easy at some points because I wanted to continue the plot and was tired of it take a half hour of dying and regenerating to kill a Big Daddy. How can you concentrate on the game if you literally have to save every 5 minutes because the Vita-chambers aren't on?

I think achievements are good in the sense that they push you to get more replay value out of your game, but I think concentrating too hard on them just takes away from the experience.

As for the E-penis, some of the guys I worked with at Gamestop rented out Spiderman" FoF just because the achievements were really easy to get. Ugh.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:02
Takeshi
Good write. If one buys a game only because of those damn points he really is retarded.
Danmartigan's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:04
Danmartigan
I choose 360 games because I don't own a PS3, pretty simple. I was TRULY disappointed with Sony's choices with the developer tools and backwards compatibility for the console. I loved the PS2, but I will probably never own a PS3.

The achievements are fun. I enjoyed getting my full 1k on COD4, I think it adds another element to the game that you can choose to follow or choose to ignore. They could expand on it for sure, allowing players to highlight their favorite achievements on a wall of medals or something.

Mile High club, bitches! :]
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:08
MaxVest
Settings > System Settings > Notification Messages > Do Not Display. No more in-game Shipero.

Actually, it's strange that you picked Shipero, because I would have picked him as my example too. He must get around...
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:10
Justice
Achievements are just an extra incentive to play the game, in the sense of the achievement not the number associated with that achievement.

& The number 4 type person isn't a minority, stop being a pessimist Jimbo.
liam2015's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:13
liam2015
I almost completely agree here. I like it when Achievements are for doing challenging things, like getting a 20X Burnout in Burnout Paradise. I don't want something to tell me "Congratulations, you beat level one'. Yeah, thats the fucking point.

Not that I feel I need achievements. If they were completely removed from games I would have no problem. Cuz, If you REALLY need a machine to make you feel good about something you did in a game, there's something wrong there. But it's nice to have immortal proof that you WERE able to do something, so you can look back and think "Yeah I remember doing that. It was fucking awesome".

So it's even sadder that some people fell the need to cheat in order to do tat. Theres no fun in that. It takes away from the entire experience, and is completely pathetic.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:14
Samit Sarkar
@Snaileb: I’m glad you at least were able to praise the quality of the blog. But how is Y0j1mb0 being biased? He owns both a PS3 and a 360, but he’s simply given up on the latter because he’s had four of them die on him. Also, he’s stating his personal opinion — and the last time I checked, that was still legitimate and okay to do on the internet. What’s wrong with taking a stance?

I agree with you 100%, Y0j1mb0, but unlike you, I actually am biased (I don’t own a 360 and I don’t plan on ever getting one). Maybe if Sony had implemented their “Accomplishments” system from the get-go, I would have a different outlook.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:17
EternalDeathSlayer
It's like old-school gaming, where the idea was to score the most points. So I'd consider Achievement whores to be the equivalent of Billy Mitchell.

You're taking it a little too serious at that point....
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:20
EternalDeathSlayer
Also, although they're not currently tracked (not until HOME, anyway), I did enjoy seeing those medals pop up while playing through Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

It feels good to know you're sick with the standard handgun.
Elitechief27's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:21
Elitechief27
I usually go 360 version just for the fact that I like the 360 controller more( no offense to the PSE controller, and the fact that I have yet to hook up my PS3 to the net yet
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:24
Bob Muir
I'm with King, achievements aren't necessary, but they're a great way to get more mileage out of a game. I know I've mentioned it before, but they really are an amazing way to find out new ways to play and challenge yourself in different ways. Hell, I don't think the points are even entirely necessary, though on a personal level, they do add more weight to more difficult achievements. Hell, if Sony ever gets their trophy system off the ground with Home, I think the similarity to achievements will be beneficial to discovering more nuances and challenges in their games too, whether or not they have a point system.

I just think it's a shame that so many insecure people equate a large gamerscore with being cool. Oh well, it's easy to ignore them and use achievements as a way to enhance your game playing experience. Furthermore, go and use MaxVest's advice and just turn them off if the entire enterprise annoys you.

I don't have a PS3 yet, but when I do, I plan on continuing to buy multiplatform games on 360 not just for the integrated achievement system, but because a) most of my friends are on Live, which is amazingly well-integrated, and b) I never liked the PS2/PS3's controller that much to begin with, especially compared to the 360's controller. But that's just me; your mileage may vary.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:24
Bob Muir
I'm with King, achievements aren't necessary, but they're a great way to get more mileage out of a game. I know I've mentioned it before, but they really are an amazing way to find out new ways to play and challenge yourself in different ways. Hell, I don't think the points are even entirely necessary, though on a personal level, they do add more weight to more difficult achievements. Hell, if Sony ever gets their trophy system off the ground with Home, I think the similarity to achievements will be beneficial to discovering more nuances and challenges in their games too, whether or not they have a point system.

I just think it's a shame that so many insecure people equate a large gamerscore with being cool. Oh well, it's easy to ignore them and use achievements as a way to enhance your game playing experience. Furthermore, go and use MaxVest's advice and just turn them off if the entire enterprise annoys you.

I don't have a PS3 yet, but when I do, I plan on continuing to buy multiplatform games on 360 not just for the integrated achievement system, but because a) most of my friends are on Live, which is amazingly well-integrated, and b) I never liked the PS2/PS3's controller that much to begin with, especially compared to the 360's controller. But that's just me; your mileage may vary.
liam2015's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:25
liam2015
Adding on from what snaileb said, I remember one time I looked in the memory card slots I have saved into my PS3, and saw all of them erased somehow. Sure I was upset, but I didn't get angry that all my hard work was gone. I still had the memories. But then I checked it the next day and they were back. YAY!
Drunken Haze's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:27
Drunken Haze
I know there isnt any point to them. I know i should just be playing the game for fun. I know everything your saying is logical but...

Damm I got all those orbs in crackdown without a map and its nice to show of how big that e-penis is. It kinda appeals to the same part of me which wants to unlock the nice camo for guns in games. I suppose that part of me is a bit of a wanker.

Grats on the writeup
Gato's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:28
Gato
I thought they we're kind of cool at first, since they reminded me of the "achievements" in PSX classic, Spyro the dragon. But then I played Perfect Dark Zero, and that brutally murdered the whole "achievement" experience for me.
ceark's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:29
ceark
Nice Read. I really could give two shits about achievements either, or the future trophy system in Home. What I do think is cool about home is how they're integrating some gameplay between home and some games. But arbitrary score never really mattered to me (except in tony hawk 4. nothing tastes better then a 12 million point combo on alcatraz).
dtomek's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:33
dtomek
Having access to tons of great games that I want to play didn't justify my purchase of a 360? Fuck me, I would have never known.
Kryptinite's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:36
Kryptinite
Sigh..here I go again

I like achievement points and I can't hide that fact. I'm not an achievement whore at all and I don't play shitty games that I don't like for points (although thanks to DVD, King Kong is on my list..not my fault.) If a game comes out on all the consoles I own, I'm buying it for 360 because of achievement points. Unless the PS3 offers something extra, i.e Hard Boiled in HD, there's no reason for me to buy it on PS3. Achievement points are my deciding factor for cross platform games.

I've already articulated my love for them and expressed that I'm not a whore when it comes to them. They are just meaningless points that give me more value out of my games. Simple as that. I use them as challenges and when I achieve them, I say yeah and move on to the next.

plus I'm in a mini war against ButMac and Snaileb that they don't know about. So don't tell them.
dtomek's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:38
dtomek
Hmm, good read Yojimbo. I would like to say I sit kind of in the middle of the road on this. I like achievement points just fine. On games that I greatly enjoy I might go back through with a specific goal of capturing some new achievements that time around. I don't obsess over them at all however, and I could give two shits less how minuscule my score is compared everyone else in the world. It's more of a personal milestone when I get them. On the flipside, after having had them, I would accept nothing less from my videogame experience.
GrayFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:39
GrayFox
Getting achievements is fun and a little bit addictive. Microsoft wasn't born yesterday and I agree it is probably a large factor in their extremely high attach rate. Pretty shrewd business move, good for them.

I've said this a million times before in about a million different blogs before, but I guess I'll say it again. Personally, I'll never get a game for achievements, or play it again if I don't like it solely for achievements, but if I like the game it gives me something to look forward to on the second playthrough.

Would I purchase an inferior version just because of achievements? Absolutely not. If the two versions are identical, though, except for the added bonus of achievements for 360 I'm going to buy it for xbox. I really don't see why anyone would do any different, unless of course they have a lot of personal investment in the console wars and want Sony to win.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:45
MrSadistic
I like the way Santana thinks.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:47
Kyousuke Nanbu
I love achievements, they keep me playing a game lot more, I doubt I would have finished Dead Rising 15 times if it hadn't been for them.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:51
MaxVest
Allow me to play devil's advocate. If you own an Xbox 360 and a PS3, you like the controllers identically, and a game is exactly the same on both: why wouldn't you get the one with achievements?

The only way it makes sense not to buy that game is to argue that the extra feature makes the game worse. Is a game with achievements worse than the same title without achievements?
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:52
007
What about me, Sadistic? I think that achievements can lick my... "ass_hole" too.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:53
DaedHead8
Number 5: I meant to click the blog above this but clicked this by accident. I liked what I saw so I stayed.

jk
Victor Stillwater's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:53
Victor Stillwater
I think of it like this: Achievements are like loot in MMORPGS. Sure, you may have the shiniest purples on your Godslaying Berserker, but at the end of the day, it's still just representative of something that doesn't have much bearing on real life. :(
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:54
EternalDeathSlayer
@ MaxVest: I answered this already, sort of. While it's true, there is absolutely no reason to get a PS3 version over the 360 is they're identical, I also take other factors into consideration.

For instance, I have no fear of my PS3 breaking. 360, on the other hand, has already RROD once. So like I said, I actually take this into account. If it's an online game I'll get a lot of mileage out of, then I will now consider the PS3 version, regardless of PSN not working as well as LIVE.

Better to have a bit of lag then no system to play your brand new game on.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 16:58
MrSadistic
@007

Stop trying to win my love. It's not working.
GrayFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 17:01
GrayFox
That's actually not a bad point EDS. If it's an offline game that is identical for both systems and you are afraid of the 360 failing then I can see how someone might want to get it for PStriples.

But if it's online then personally I would always go xbox, cause that's just where my friends are. Personal thing.
kawitchate's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 17:03
kawitchate
i've got both systems and i'm not gonna lie - even though i hate MS for their shoddy hardware, i will buy a game on 360 over the PS3 because of the achievements, the superior online capabilities, AND because most developers seem to be making their games for 360 first and PS3 second (PS3 almost as an afterthought in some cases).
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 17:06
MaxVest
@EDS: I chose my console for similar reasons. But this is a primarily rant against achievements, not reliability.

If the idea of an achievement system is a fundamental hoodwink, I assume it would be that way no matter which company implements the system, or how reliable the hardware it runs on.
Hoygeit's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 17:11
Hoygeit
Hmm. While a good post I don’t entirely agree. I don’t consider myself an achievement whore (my unimpressive gamer score reflects this), so this may be completely off.

I have a friend I work with who I consider to be an achievement whore (though not a very good one). He takes enjoyment out of increasing his gamer score as it is a measureable unit of seeing how much time he spends on games and how thoroughly he plays said games. This makes things difficult because he rarely pays attention to the story- he just focuses on the achievement, making conversations about the game a bit unusual.

He has a lot of fun doing it though. Is it inconsequential? Absolutely. But so is my time trying to play and enjoy the mechanics and the story. It’s a video game. A method of entertainment.

We’re all playing to have fun. If someone decides to play the same game as me for a different reason- I can’t knock it because it’s not my money and they’re still enjoying themselves.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 17:12
EternalDeathSlayer
Achievements or not, I think this has made me realize something:

One should never be afraid to purchase games for his actual preferred system because he or she is afraid of it breaking in the middle of the game.

Wow, that's a serious problem. Damn.
TrailerParkJesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 17:13
TrailerParkJesus
For some reason, people feel some sort of attachment to this number. Look at the movie "King of Kong FFoQ." Some would look at those guys and see their obsession as a waste of time, pointless, whatever. And yet there's this inexplicable phenomenon behind getting the highest score. They get some kind of fulfillment out of it, and while we don't quite fully understand what's going on in their minds, as long as it's not harming anyone, who are we to deny them that joy?

Not that I'm saying you're denying them anything, but I think asking someone why achievements mean so much to them is like asking why do they like solving puzzle games, or why do they like taking headshots, or why do they like playing and beating videogames.

In essence, all of those are achievements.

So I would agree with you that they should just make great games. But remember, there are people out there that feel achievements enhance their experience. So in a way, to them having achievements in a game makes it better than those that don't have them. I don't think it really matters why.

Beyond just playing games, having fun is having fun.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/03/2008 17:14
DaedHead8
I would just like to say that I like achievements just fine. I think its cool when me and my friends all get a game at launch because I can use the achievements to see how far I am versus them.

Would I use it to determine which system I buy a game on? Never. It always comes down to performance and extra content for me.
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