Thank you, thank you, thank you. The constant backlash against Jim for committing the sin of having an opinion was driving me insane, and the Heavy Rain awfulness was the last straw for me and got me to register and start blogging. It's good to see I'm not alone in thinking what I'm thinking.
I like Jim. In the sense of finding him funny on Podtoid. At first I was just happy to hear a British voice on a podcast I liked, but now I just find him funny. Undeserved backlash as The Passenger says. I wrote something vaguely to do with this back when I was in France, but I don't remember much of it.
Anyway. I'm going back to read through this because I'm genuinely interested in things that you blog about, Xzyliac.
Anyway. I'm going back to read through this because I'm genuinely interested in things that you blog about, Xzyliac.
Yeah, Criticosm is a ridiculous site because it seems to suggest that people need some sort of aggregate score for the very reviewers whose reviews are put into Metacritic and contribute to a game's aggregate score. There's absoultely no reason to visit that site unless you're in a pissy mood because of someone's review. Isn't it the point of Metacritic to collect a bunch of reviews together so we know when outliers are present? Not to mention that the very concept of reviewing people is one of the most preposterous things I can imagine.
I know these points have been beat to death at this point, and nothing's going to change, but my god, people.
I know these points have been beat to death at this point, and nothing's going to change, but my god, people.
Xzyliac,
It's users like you that keep me generally interested in this site. Your blogs are always solid, enjoyable reads and your comments gets your points across and I've seen actually put down trolls, all while explaining your points at a intelligent and rational level. On behalf of the DToid community, thank you.
But saying your inputs are awesome.....is like me asking if you've ever heard of this music duo "La Roux"
.......ya just already know =P
It's users like you that keep me generally interested in this site. Your blogs are always solid, enjoyable reads and your comments gets your points across and I've seen actually put down trolls, all while explaining your points at a intelligent and rational level. On behalf of the DToid community, thank you.
But saying your inputs are awesome.....is like me asking if you've ever heard of this music duo "La Roux"
.......ya just already know =P
See, this why I rarely comment on Jim's reviews anymore. Not only does it screw up the "my comments" button for days or weeks, every second comment makes me facepalm hardcore. It's like I've opened up the closet doors and stepped into a Narnia of nutcases.
Great blog Xzyliac.
Great blog Xzyliac.
I'm going to publish this on Criticosm.
But no, seriously, I'm just going to echo what people have said above. Jim's reviews are entertaining and normally align to what I think about a game. On top of that, people forget that when games were reviewed PROPERLY back in the good old days of OPM for the PS1, a score of 9 was rare. As such a 7 is perfectly fitting for Jim's review, and anyone who moans that "HURR THE SCORE ISN'T HIGH ENOUGH I DON'T CARE IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT I DEMAND A BETTER ARBITRARY SCORE"
Plus, it speaks values about the game if people consistently go after the reviewer and not argue points about the review itself, or are completely wrong in their assumptions.
Also, it's Pancake Day tomorrow! Can't wait! Now, where's that pizza.
But no, seriously, I'm just going to echo what people have said above. Jim's reviews are entertaining and normally align to what I think about a game. On top of that, people forget that when games were reviewed PROPERLY back in the good old days of OPM for the PS1, a score of 9 was rare. As such a 7 is perfectly fitting for Jim's review, and anyone who moans that "HURR THE SCORE ISN'T HIGH ENOUGH I DON'T CARE IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT I DEMAND A BETTER ARBITRARY SCORE"
Plus, it speaks values about the game if people consistently go after the reviewer and not argue points about the review itself, or are completely wrong in their assumptions.
Also, it's Pancake Day tomorrow! Can't wait! Now, where's that pizza.
I came for the pancakes, but read the article instead.
Good points overall.
When a new and innovative game like Heavy Rain comes up, which by the way happens very rarely, he kicks it in the shin, and when gaming companies evaluate financial performance, they are discouraged to try anything new and we get our next portion of bland and generic games - zx128a
I read this and thought that Jim had said the exact opposite. At times he even went out of the way to praise Heavy Rain for the things it attempts.
For the memorable experience and the sincere attempts to be interesting, Heavy Rain deserves praise. - Jim Sterling
Either way, I actually agree with Jim's review of the game. Not as a person that has played it, but as a person who had seen these (SPOILERS*) two videos (SPOILERS*) and came to understand that the game has some of the tedious down time moments like Indigo Prophecy while introducing some frighteningly shocking events. I was only concerned with how it was rationed out throughout the game.
In reviewing Jim Sterling, I do think he does deserve some of the flack he gets based on the way he writes. Some statements he makes leave no debate on its intention and he deserves to get flack for that just on the controversy. I'm not saying that he deserves to be personally attacked like he's been by the dogs of the internet, just that he deserves some criticism of his writing style when its at its most controversial. I will say that he does a decent job as a reviewer. I don't think he represents my interests when he scores the games, but he does see a lot of the faults I would recognize and calls them in a manner that I appreciate.
Also, there is a site criticizing critics? That's just getting a bit too fanboy.
*I doubt they are spoilers, but I don't want somebody who would buy the game to hate me for posting those.
Good points overall.
When a new and innovative game like Heavy Rain comes up, which by the way happens very rarely, he kicks it in the shin, and when gaming companies evaluate financial performance, they are discouraged to try anything new and we get our next portion of bland and generic games - zx128a
I read this and thought that Jim had said the exact opposite. At times he even went out of the way to praise Heavy Rain for the things it attempts.
For the memorable experience and the sincere attempts to be interesting, Heavy Rain deserves praise. - Jim Sterling
Either way, I actually agree with Jim's review of the game. Not as a person that has played it, but as a person who had seen these (SPOILERS*) two videos (SPOILERS*) and came to understand that the game has some of the tedious down time moments like Indigo Prophecy while introducing some frighteningly shocking events. I was only concerned with how it was rationed out throughout the game.
In reviewing Jim Sterling, I do think he does deserve some of the flack he gets based on the way he writes. Some statements he makes leave no debate on its intention and he deserves to get flack for that just on the controversy. I'm not saying that he deserves to be personally attacked like he's been by the dogs of the internet, just that he deserves some criticism of his writing style when its at its most controversial. I will say that he does a decent job as a reviewer. I don't think he represents my interests when he scores the games, but he does see a lot of the faults I would recognize and calls them in a manner that I appreciate.
Also, there is a site criticizing critics? That's just getting a bit too fanboy.
*I doubt they are spoilers, but I don't want somebody who would buy the game to hate me for posting those.
Pancakes. Tomorrow. By jove, I'm going to have some this year.
Also, wanted to say that I reckon you'll make a good journalist. Enough to make the Beedog proud.
Please take that the right way.
Also, Broken Sword (one of them) had some funny jokes in about journalists. Gah I need to sleep before I say something stupid. Again.
Also, wanted to say that I reckon you'll make a good journalist. Enough to make the Beedog proud.
Please take that the right way.
Also, Broken Sword (one of them) had some funny jokes in about journalists. Gah I need to sleep before I say something stupid. Again.
@manasteel88: There's a site (in the UK at least, unless it was just a rumour) that reviews teachers and people put horrible shit on there about teachers because they can. Only 2 differences I can see here. 1) the age of the commenters (not the maturity) and 2) the students have at least met the person they're reviewing.
@Mark
Don't you mean "By shrove"?
Dohoho.
I was expecting that to be funny. Oh well.
Also the site you're on about is RateMyTeachers, and yes, it exists. Was quite funny to see a couple of teachers freak out about their reviews.
Don't you mean "By shrove"?
Dohoho.
I was expecting that to be funny. Oh well.
Also the site you're on about is RateMyTeachers, and yes, it exists. Was quite funny to see a couple of teachers freak out about their reviews.
@Jon B: That was funny. But I'm currently in my state of mental delirium (?) everything is either funny, depressing, or confusing. The way to bed is confusing right now, despite being right next to me.
It's not like I haven't slept, I just don't sleep properly. I am fascinating.
It's not like I haven't slept, I just don't sleep properly. I am fascinating.
@mark
Yeah we have ratemyteachers which is kinda similar if you stretch, but I understand the purpose of that site. Understanding what kind of Teacher you are going to have in a class can change your gpa and many other things. Understanding what type of reviewer your going to have in reading a review is...weird.
Yeah we have ratemyteachers which is kinda similar if you stretch, but I understand the purpose of that site. Understanding what kind of Teacher you are going to have in a class can change your gpa and many other things. Understanding what type of reviewer your going to have in reading a review is...weird.
I give this 9/10 (1 point off because not enough pictures of puppies).
And as i didn't give a perfect 11/10 it means i must of hated your blog and anyone who doesn't feel the same way as me will now bash me.
And as i didn't give a perfect 11/10 it means i must of hated your blog and anyone who doesn't feel the same way as me will now bash me.
@manasteel88: We don't do GPA in the UK as far as I know. Still, I guess knowing what your teacher could be like would help.
It seems a bit pointless reviewing reviewers, but at least on Destructoid we get pictures of pancakes when someone does it in a cblog. :)
It seems a bit pointless reviewing reviewers, but at least on Destructoid we get pictures of pancakes when someone does it in a cblog. :)
I think either Jim is a jerk or just trying to prove a point showing how hype/reviews can sway people into buying/not buying a game.
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Sterling is just an attention seeking jerk. I don't think Sterling understands the term 'review'. In his eyes a game sucks if he doesn't like it. If that was the case, then I would give most RPGs a very low score, just coz I don't generally like RPGs. That is not how it works. Reviewing involves a host of dynamic variables that needs to be considered.
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"he's scored several games quite high from L4D 2 and Modern Warfare to others like KillZone 2 so it's not like he hates on everything ."
So he likes FPS, FPS, and FPS? Wow he has such varied tastes.
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You forget Sterling will post specific scores JUST to piss off people. Even if he thinks it's better than that score. He literally hates anyone who has a PS3.
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Jim Sterling's Destructoid reviews suck. All shock and no substance, authored by the biggest wanker ever to drool over a keyboard. Poorly written nonconformist trash.
I can't believe Kotaku and metacritic actually take that site seriously
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Sterling is just an attention seeking jerk. I don't think Sterling understands the term 'review'. In his eyes a game sucks if he doesn't like it. If that was the case, then I would give most RPGs a very low score, just coz I don't generally like RPGs. That is not how it works. Reviewing involves a host of dynamic variables that needs to be considered.
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"he's scored several games quite high from L4D 2 and Modern Warfare to others like KillZone 2 so it's not like he hates on everything ."
So he likes FPS, FPS, and FPS? Wow he has such varied tastes.
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You forget Sterling will post specific scores JUST to piss off people. Even if he thinks it's better than that score. He literally hates anyone who has a PS3.
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Jim Sterling's Destructoid reviews suck. All shock and no substance, authored by the biggest wanker ever to drool over a keyboard. Poorly written nonconformist trash.
I can't believe Kotaku and metacritic actually take that site seriously
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An intelligent and interesting article, Xzyliac. It's good to know that Destructoid has good members like you in it.After all, it's easy to spot the smart ones in a crowd full of morons.
Haters: 0
An intelligent and interesting article, Xzyliac. It's good to know that Destructoid has good members like you in it.After all, it's easy to spot the smart ones in a crowd full of morons.
Wait a minute.....did you just reviewed the people reviewing the reviewers!? META!!!!!
Also I wish you write more blogs that aren’t about music, not that their bad, it’s just that your blogs are good but I’m not that into music so I never get around to reading them.
Also, also pancake Tuesday tomorrow!
Also I wish you write more blogs that aren’t about music, not that their bad, it’s just that your blogs are good but I’m not that into music so I never get around to reading them.
Also, also pancake Tuesday tomorrow!
Crap. I meant to say did you just review the people reviewing the reviewers!?
I would have checked my spelling but I’m just so excited about PANCAKE TUESDAY!!!!
I would have checked my spelling but I’m just so excited about PANCAKE TUESDAY!!!!
Ugh that ciriticosm site makes me throw up in my mouth. I'm all over that heavy rain game. Just like I was all over assassins creed 2. And if called upon by my country to do so I would consider having jim's baby. He's a good man.
Nice, good article. I'm in total agreement, Criticosm seems like a really shitty, unnecessary addition to the internet getting in the way (but not really) of reviewers with an opinion that differs from the game's Marketing department. I thought Jim's review of Heavy Rain was well written and justified, and felt encouraged to purchase the game afterward.
Also, Cinda needs to linkspam review comments more.
Also, Cinda needs to linkspam review comments more.
All I can say is - IT'S ABOUT TIME! I was wondering when you were gonna write up a blog on this. Based on your passionate responses from Jim's Heavy Rain review (fiasco?), I could tell a blog would be in the works somewhere.
Seriously though, great blog, through and through. I just wish internet users would just learn to stay away from things they hate or disagree with, unless they bring a valid argument to the table for the purpose of friendly discussion.
Or they could apply the age old saying: "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all.". Either way, level-headed users such as you and I would win.
Seriously though, great blog, through and through. I just wish internet users would just learn to stay away from things they hate or disagree with, unless they bring a valid argument to the table for the purpose of friendly discussion.
Or they could apply the age old saying: "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all.". Either way, level-headed users such as you and I would win.
The Heavy Rain review was just the perfect storm, brining together PS3 fanboys, the "regular stuff publishers put out is crap"/innovation for its own sake crowd, regular Jim haters, and grouches (yes grouches) out to play.
Oh Jack of No trades, I can not ignore you.
“I don't think Sterling understands the term 'review'. In his eyes a game sucks if he doesn't like it. . . . That is not how it works. Reviewing involves a host of dynamic variables that needs to be considered.”
He is not objective? There is no such thing as objectivity in reviews and reporting. It is naive to assume otherwise or complain about "lack of objectivity." Bias is not bad as in so far as it is acknowledged and detectable, and Jim meets this criterion in almost every review.
“Jim is a jerk or just trying to prove a point showing how hype/reviews can sway people into buying/not buying a game.”
“You forget Sterling will post specific scores JUST to piss off people. Even if he thinks it's better than that score.”
If you want to just pull things out of your ass, you will have to do better than this. Oh I forgot, you are a mind reader.
“He literally hates anyone who has a PS3.”
If you have not noticed, Jim hates PS3 fanboys, not the PS3.
Oh Jack of No trades, I can not ignore you.
“I don't think Sterling understands the term 'review'. In his eyes a game sucks if he doesn't like it. . . . That is not how it works. Reviewing involves a host of dynamic variables that needs to be considered.”
He is not objective? There is no such thing as objectivity in reviews and reporting. It is naive to assume otherwise or complain about "lack of objectivity." Bias is not bad as in so far as it is acknowledged and detectable, and Jim meets this criterion in almost every review.
“Jim is a jerk or just trying to prove a point showing how hype/reviews can sway people into buying/not buying a game.”
“You forget Sterling will post specific scores JUST to piss off people. Even if he thinks it's better than that score.”
If you want to just pull things out of your ass, you will have to do better than this. Oh I forgot, you are a mind reader.
“He literally hates anyone who has a PS3.”
If you have not noticed, Jim hates PS3 fanboys, not the PS3.
It just so happens I have one of those little pieces of journalism paper, but I should rightfully be forced to hand it over to you after this piece. I've never written anything this ballsy and relevant in my entire life. Thank you for making this website richer.
Agree. I'm on the Jim Sterling defense force as well, mostly because of his sweet beautiful voice. When you mentioned your situation with his article, It instantly reminded me of a very similar experience with this. I was expecting a total bash, but I ended up loving its humor.
As for the reviews, I usually agree with Jim's reviews. He's very articulate and makes excellent points. It makes sense to me that he's review editor here. I know that he attracts in trolls and hate like no one else, but why? There's definitely a bias mentality going on at Criticosm towards Jim, mostly because of misconceptions of the man and their perception of him.
As for the reviews, I usually agree with Jim's reviews. He's very articulate and makes excellent points. It makes sense to me that he's review editor here. I know that he attracts in trolls and hate like no one else, but why? There's definitely a bias mentality going on at Criticosm towards Jim, mostly because of misconceptions of the man and their perception of him.
I feel bad for Jim, honestly. All this shit he has to put up with it just because, you know, he has an opinion.
Jim Sterling is a good journalist. He fights crime. He's just a bit brutal from some peoples views, which is getting hilarious. This is a time when 7, which is 20% better than 5, means 'not worth it'. Journalism to me, a person who hopes to study it, isn't about saying if something is good or not. It's about saying in which ways it's good, in which ways it's bad and how it can/could improve.
I blame IGN and Gamespot, because I'm biased against them.
I blame IGN and Gamespot, because I'm biased against them.
Exceptional article. I bow to your schweet, schweet journalism.
As a hobby and writing exercise, I review games and other media on my personal website, and I've had people tell me my reviews should be "objective" or "impartial" -- so it baffles me why these people don't just read a plot summary on wikipedia. My duty as a reviewer is to expose my opinion and support it with arguments and good writing.
The reviewer's duty is not, however, to achieve a Higher Truth That Can't Be Argued. Because that's impossible.
I've disagreed with Jim Sterling before. It annoys me that a significant number of people go beyond this and start calling him a hack simply because they disagree with what he said.
... okay, so it amuses me as well. I mean, some of the comments are fucking priceless.
Anyway. Fantastic article, Xzyliac. Congratulations.
As a hobby and writing exercise, I review games and other media on my personal website, and I've had people tell me my reviews should be "objective" or "impartial" -- so it baffles me why these people don't just read a plot summary on wikipedia. My duty as a reviewer is to expose my opinion and support it with arguments and good writing.
The reviewer's duty is not, however, to achieve a Higher Truth That Can't Be Argued. Because that's impossible.
I've disagreed with Jim Sterling before. It annoys me that a significant number of people go beyond this and start calling him a hack simply because they disagree with what he said.
... okay, so it amuses me as well. I mean, some of the comments are fucking priceless.
Anyway. Fantastic article, Xzyliac. Congratulations.
Yes!
We have a voice of reason in all this hate! While the Dtoid community is excellent, there are a few d-bags, like any other site, that would rather bash and criticize anything written on the site, instead of reading said articles, and leaving thoughtful and informative comments.
But to those mad at the 7/10 score, seriously? Jim made some very valid points, and in no way is a 7 considered 'bad', except by fanboys. So you guys, just relax, and after you've played the game, voice your own intelligent opinions (I know I will). ;)
We have a voice of reason in all this hate! While the Dtoid community is excellent, there are a few d-bags, like any other site, that would rather bash and criticize anything written on the site, instead of reading said articles, and leaving thoughtful and informative comments.
But to those mad at the 7/10 score, seriously? Jim made some very valid points, and in no way is a 7 considered 'bad', except by fanboys. So you guys, just relax, and after you've played the game, voice your own intelligent opinions (I know I will). ;)
i give jim a 1.5 for when i disagree with him and an 8.5 for when i agree with him.
but for serial though, jim has good grammar.
but for serial though, jim has good grammar.
I give this blog a 8.5 (Crunshii's cool flamboyant scoring doesn't mean anything until he actually scores. So in order to score he needs a 9.5 or above to win)
jk, great way of making your point stand Xzyliac.
jk, great way of making your point stand Xzyliac.
The saddest thing about all the hate is what it says about video game media as a whole. He's "biased" because he doesn't hand out a 10 like it's candy. Whereas printed magazines pander to every fanboy circle and advertiser they can and that makes them "journalists."
I have a blog in mind regarding this... not anything you wrote about, but something entirely different. However, any reply I wrote to this would doubtless end up being that blog.
You wrote a wonderful piece! I like it!
You wrote a wonderful piece! I like it!
I doubt I could have said it anywhere near as good, Xzyliac.
Jesus Christ, there are nearly 600 comments on that goddamn Heavy Rain review.
Jesus Christ, there are nearly 600 comments on that goddamn Heavy Rain review.
Thanks for all the positive comments everyone! I can't believe Jim tweeted my blog. That's pretty fucking cool.
And you're welcome.
@"You should write more non-music blogs."
Normally I suck at writing rants. I get really firey at the beginning and just konk out halfway. It just so happens this is something I am really passionate about because it's such a matter of common sense.
And you're welcome.
@"You should write more non-music blogs."
Normally I suck at writing rants. I get really firey at the beginning and just konk out halfway. It just so happens this is something I am really passionate about because it's such a matter of common sense.
Butt-hurt about butt-hurt people over a person butt-hurt on a vidja-game.
Actually nice clog, but I felt like trolling anyway. :)
Actually nice clog, but I felt like trolling anyway. :)
Jim and Xzyliac sitting in a tree...
All kidding aside, well articulated article. As someone who feels the same way AND tends to agree with the guy, this made for a nice read.
All kidding aside, well articulated article. As someone who feels the same way AND tends to agree with the guy, this made for a nice read.
Great blog, although I do think that a reviewer can be bad at his/her job, not because of the opinion he has, but instead because of a poor quality of writing or an inability to fairly justify the reasons for a given score.
Also, PANCAKES
Also, PANCAKES
@greks224
I agree but truthfully how often have we seen a legit complaint about the quality of Jim's reviews? Maybe once every couple hundred comments.
I mean [url=http://www.destructoid.com/review-flower-sun-and-rain-146261.phtml]Matt gave Flower, Sun, and Rain a 3 and Editor's Choice[/b] but nobody bitches about that. Not that Matt didn't justify his score but surely that seems like much more fodder for complaining than what Jim post.
I agree but truthfully how often have we seen a legit complaint about the quality of Jim's reviews? Maybe once every couple hundred comments.
I mean [url=http://www.destructoid.com/review-flower-sun-and-rain-146261.phtml]Matt gave Flower, Sun, and Rain a 3 and Editor's Choice[/b] but nobody bitches about that. Not that Matt didn't justify his score but surely that seems like much more fodder for complaining than what Jim post.

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