Gosh I hope so, I hate the Wii, and it killed my childhood love of everything Nintendo. Reggie Fis' you are evil.
I highly doubt it'll be 2011 that a new console comes out.
Why? The economy for one thing. To release a new console when many are on a tight budget would be stupid. It's why I don't think Natal or the PS3 arc will do as well as some think it will. Of course, that depends upon the games, unless they're the kind of games that EVERYONE can play, not just hardcore gamers, there won't be much to scream about. Of course, I'm sure Nintendo IS working on a new console, but it'll be quite a ways off till we even hear, or know anything about it. Nintendo of course said it would be HD, but it'll have to be more than that.
Second, until the Wii stops selling out, and the sales steadily decline, there's no need. The market isn't saying they want a WiiHD, if it did, then why would the Wii be selling out again? If Nintendo did put it out that soon, that would piss MANY OFF. They'd wonder why they bought a Wii in the first place if only 4 years later they'd put out a HD console. I bought my Wii at launch, and believe me, unless there were games I'd want on it, I wouldn't buy a WiiHD.
While I like HD games and graphics, they are not the motivating factor for playing a game. Think about it, after about 15 or so minutes, how many of you actually say WOW!!! That's beautiful HD!!! After you get used to the game's world/worlds, you tend not to think about it. I reveled in the beauty of BK:Nuts and Bolts, but after going through the torture that was building and driving vehicles, I hated it. And at the start of this so called HD generation, how many had HD TV's? How many are still gaming on standard televisions? A poll on I think Gamebiz shows that many still aren't gaming on a HD television, or may not even bother with the HD hook ups on their LCD's/whatever HD tv they have...
While the core fans will be early adopters of a new console, how can you branch it out? and with what?
A WiiHD many believe will get game companies to develop games for it. BOGUS. The Gamecube was on par with the XBOX, if not a little less powerful. But companies ignored it, so why would they change their minds? They'd say it's a kiddie system, don't believe me? Look at past articles regarding the Gamecube and N64, you'll hear kiddie often.
These new Wii gamers/new gamers aren't as unpredictable as some think. I think they see what they find enjoyable, and buy it. Of course Hardcore say that these "casuals" don't have good taste, truth is, they don't care what the hardcore think. Most hardcore gamers only seem to play the games heavily promoted on web pages/magazines that are tailored to "epic" games.
These core games coming out is what Sean Malstrom called the last of Nintendo Core titles. And I'm actually agreeing with him on that. This means, the games that only the "hardcore" or fans of Nintendo will buy, are the last to come out for them. Of course, I could be totally wrong.
But for Nintendo to stay in top position, they're gonna have to keep these new gamers, or ones who came back into gaming, interested. How can they do that? Motion Plus has yet to be fully implemented into games, so with little doubt, we'll see more motion+ games at E3. I think we'll be seeing more games that can be appealing to a larger demographic than these hardcore idiots demand. I don't care how many websites tout that the hardcore are in control of the future of games, and that those games are what sell, THEY'RE NOT. If hardcore games were such big sellers, then why don't they stay longer and higher up on the sales charts than just a few months? Sure, some of those games sell ALOT, but good marketing is a LARGE factor of why they have sold. The hardcore are a small base of gamers compared to that place outside their window, the REAL WORLD.
If this industry wants to sustain itself, it needs to look at what's most important, the customer, and how to get more of them. These ridiculous companies that think that making another Space Shooter/GTA Clone/Boob fest as the way to expand games are fools, and deserve the fate that many have gotten.
I'm not trying to hammer down on you Xandaca, you bring out interesting points, but I doubt we'll see a WiiHD next year. If we do, then Nintendo will have made the biggest blunder in it's history. For the Wii to stay successful, it comes down to one thing, Games, GAMES GAMES!!! And that's what Nintendo's top priority for the Wii NEEDS to be.
Why? The economy for one thing. To release a new console when many are on a tight budget would be stupid. It's why I don't think Natal or the PS3 arc will do as well as some think it will. Of course, that depends upon the games, unless they're the kind of games that EVERYONE can play, not just hardcore gamers, there won't be much to scream about. Of course, I'm sure Nintendo IS working on a new console, but it'll be quite a ways off till we even hear, or know anything about it. Nintendo of course said it would be HD, but it'll have to be more than that.
Second, until the Wii stops selling out, and the sales steadily decline, there's no need. The market isn't saying they want a WiiHD, if it did, then why would the Wii be selling out again? If Nintendo did put it out that soon, that would piss MANY OFF. They'd wonder why they bought a Wii in the first place if only 4 years later they'd put out a HD console. I bought my Wii at launch, and believe me, unless there were games I'd want on it, I wouldn't buy a WiiHD.
While I like HD games and graphics, they are not the motivating factor for playing a game. Think about it, after about 15 or so minutes, how many of you actually say WOW!!! That's beautiful HD!!! After you get used to the game's world/worlds, you tend not to think about it. I reveled in the beauty of BK:Nuts and Bolts, but after going through the torture that was building and driving vehicles, I hated it. And at the start of this so called HD generation, how many had HD TV's? How many are still gaming on standard televisions? A poll on I think Gamebiz shows that many still aren't gaming on a HD television, or may not even bother with the HD hook ups on their LCD's/whatever HD tv they have...
While the core fans will be early adopters of a new console, how can you branch it out? and with what?
A WiiHD many believe will get game companies to develop games for it. BOGUS. The Gamecube was on par with the XBOX, if not a little less powerful. But companies ignored it, so why would they change their minds? They'd say it's a kiddie system, don't believe me? Look at past articles regarding the Gamecube and N64, you'll hear kiddie often.
These new Wii gamers/new gamers aren't as unpredictable as some think. I think they see what they find enjoyable, and buy it. Of course Hardcore say that these "casuals" don't have good taste, truth is, they don't care what the hardcore think. Most hardcore gamers only seem to play the games heavily promoted on web pages/magazines that are tailored to "epic" games.
These core games coming out is what Sean Malstrom called the last of Nintendo Core titles. And I'm actually agreeing with him on that. This means, the games that only the "hardcore" or fans of Nintendo will buy, are the last to come out for them. Of course, I could be totally wrong.
But for Nintendo to stay in top position, they're gonna have to keep these new gamers, or ones who came back into gaming, interested. How can they do that? Motion Plus has yet to be fully implemented into games, so with little doubt, we'll see more motion+ games at E3. I think we'll be seeing more games that can be appealing to a larger demographic than these hardcore idiots demand. I don't care how many websites tout that the hardcore are in control of the future of games, and that those games are what sell, THEY'RE NOT. If hardcore games were such big sellers, then why don't they stay longer and higher up on the sales charts than just a few months? Sure, some of those games sell ALOT, but good marketing is a LARGE factor of why they have sold. The hardcore are a small base of gamers compared to that place outside their window, the REAL WORLD.
If this industry wants to sustain itself, it needs to look at what's most important, the customer, and how to get more of them. These ridiculous companies that think that making another Space Shooter/GTA Clone/Boob fest as the way to expand games are fools, and deserve the fate that many have gotten.
I'm not trying to hammer down on you Xandaca, you bring out interesting points, but I doubt we'll see a WiiHD next year. If we do, then Nintendo will have made the biggest blunder in it's history. For the Wii to stay successful, it comes down to one thing, Games, GAMES GAMES!!! And that's what Nintendo's top priority for the Wii NEEDS to be.
I'm not so sure its something as focused and deliberate as "Lets go get the core back, guys!". Though the net effect would probably be that, judging by the scads of generally positive comments from today's new articles. The thing that Nintendo has in its deck is the ability to simply make anew game a win back a few of their fans/supporters by just doing what they do: Make solid products.
And considering it from a scheduling standpoint...pff who am I kidding?: they're probably already working on the software for their next console for the last year or two, regardless of these new releases. They're good at the whole secretive thing! But any normal company would look to have their development docket cleared by putting out two sizeable franchise entries. Which for sure is a fine time to start on new stuff for the new console.
So all that to say, interesting angle, but I'm not so confident you're right.
And considering it from a scheduling standpoint...pff who am I kidding?: they're probably already working on the software for their next console for the last year or two, regardless of these new releases. They're good at the whole secretive thing! But any normal company would look to have their development docket cleared by putting out two sizeable franchise entries. Which for sure is a fine time to start on new stuff for the new console.
So all that to say, interesting angle, but I'm not so confident you're right.
Not gonna lie, I'm skeptical. I can see how this is a possibility, but I honestly hope it isn't the case. I can see them working on a successor, and doing design work, but a 2011 release? I dunno, I think they'd want to leave wii motionplus in play. Or at least have some compatibility between the wii and its successor. Releasing this soon after the wii gets that upgrade seems like theyre kinda giving the finger to the people who bought into that. Not completely, but still.
I dunno. It's possible, but it's unlikely, and undesirable. In my eyes, at least.
I dunno. It's possible, but it's unlikely, and undesirable. In my eyes, at least.
I know that a DS2 is due soon (wait for GDC), but Nintendo have no intention of doing a Wii HD. And even if they do so, it'll already be too late to get core gamers back. Its all about achievements and online play now.
I say leave Nintendo to their own devices. The day will come when casuals have had enough of them, and they'll want gamers that buy games back again. And if it doesn't, I'll still be happy with my 360 and PS3. Their games are cool but I can live without them.
I say leave Nintendo to their own devices. The day will come when casuals have had enough of them, and they'll want gamers that buy games back again. And if it doesn't, I'll still be happy with my 360 and PS3. Their games are cool but I can live without them.
I'm really conflictuated right now, on one hand i believed that Nintendo's plans for the Wii were very long term (taking the DS as the basis) they would keep it alive with 1st party software and the few good 3rd party releases until 3rd parties truly understood how to develop for the machine and began properly using the console's strengths to overcome the weaknesses (read: give the same effort on the Wii as they give in the HD consoles) much like it happened with the DS.
On the other hand i can understand your point because i saw the same signs and thought similar thoughts, i once said that the new Kid Icarus would be either a great launch title for Nintendo's next console or the software to revive Wii sales when they started dropping, and yes, it does make sense to be suspicious about a sudden quick release for ALL the games that are eagerly awaited in 2010 (even with 1 month more or less of separation between release dates) when usually Nintendo usually goes for 4 to 6 months between releases (oh God i feel like the type of fan Sterling criticized: never happy with anything). Also now that you mention Sean Maelstrom i remember a little quote from his site http://malstrom.50webs.com/disruptionchronicles.htm, it's about the subject of one of his future articles: "Disruptions End: 'Why Nintendo Must Destroy the Wii Before it Destroys Nintendo.'" if i were Nintendo and was about to kill the Wii i'd make sure to go out with a big bang before the new announcement if only to mitigate the immediate backlash.
The true problem here is that there is nothing we can really do but sit and wait to see what happens, if the Wii stays, then simply enjoy the awesomeness to come this year and (hopefully) the awakening of 3rd parties. If this is the Wii's final act, then once again, simply enjoy and see if it's little brother delivers the same goodness the little white box delivered (at least for those of us that let the graphic whoreness go and knew where to look).
On the other hand i can understand your point because i saw the same signs and thought similar thoughts, i once said that the new Kid Icarus would be either a great launch title for Nintendo's next console or the software to revive Wii sales when they started dropping, and yes, it does make sense to be suspicious about a sudden quick release for ALL the games that are eagerly awaited in 2010 (even with 1 month more or less of separation between release dates) when usually Nintendo usually goes for 4 to 6 months between releases (oh God i feel like the type of fan Sterling criticized: never happy with anything). Also now that you mention Sean Maelstrom i remember a little quote from his site http://malstrom.50webs.com/disruptionchronicles.htm, it's about the subject of one of his future articles: "Disruptions End: 'Why Nintendo Must Destroy the Wii Before it Destroys Nintendo.'" if i were Nintendo and was about to kill the Wii i'd make sure to go out with a big bang before the new announcement if only to mitigate the immediate backlash.
The true problem here is that there is nothing we can really do but sit and wait to see what happens, if the Wii stays, then simply enjoy the awesomeness to come this year and (hopefully) the awakening of 3rd parties. If this is the Wii's final act, then once again, simply enjoy and see if it's little brother delivers the same goodness the little white box delivered (at least for those of us that let the graphic whoreness go and knew where to look).

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