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The Destructoid community tends to be much more mature than other sorts of its ilk, but there's always room for improvement. There's a certain behavior in the community that I consider immature, or at the very least not looking at the big picture. I'd like to see it rectified myself. I'm talking about how we approach good and bad blogs. It's been touched on a little before; we have a tendency to feed the trolls. People see a fail blog and jump right in there to tell the person how much they fail, or to mock them with some nonsense comment that doesn't mean anything. Everyone gets in there at once and we get these huge comment sections that can easily go into 30+ territory.
It's not a good thing for a few reasons. A lot of good blogs go by with authors putting a lot of effort into their pieces, only to receive very little attention. Comments are the only real way you know that people are reading your works, so when nobody bothers to say anything to you it shows you that either nobody's reading or that nobody cares. Now, if in your head right now you're thinking that's not true: I'm aware there is another reason, but let's get to that later. Really what I have is a simple request. Don't feed the trolls. I'm gonna give you two reasons. For the most part I would consider them independent reasons, so let's not assume they're related. First of all approaching someone aggressively isn't often a useful thing. People have a natural instinct to defend themselves, and if you approach them aggressively their first instinct is going to be to ignore what you're saying and turn everything into a pointless waste of time. It really is best to just not bother. Second is you're giving the fail blogger attention which is why trolls are born in the first place. A troll doesn't necessarily crave the negative attention you're giving them, but it will encourage them to continue either way. Think about it. If you were a troll, would you be more likely to stick around if people would respond to you in droves, or if you were completely ignored? If you really want to get rid of a troll: between your insults and your silence, the silence is infinitely more effective. I also happen to have another simple request. If you have a comment you wish to make and my two points state that it's not productive, don't bother. Especially don't if someone's already basically said what you would. In fact I have a rule I'd like to introduce so long as people agree with me that it's good: It'd be awesome if we had some rule that stated that one failblog comment is all there should be, and whoever gets there first earns the dibs. A lot of people like to take pride in having the first post, so why not make it a race to get the first fail comment? Feel free to offer thoughts on this. I'm aware it's hardly a perfect idea. Anyway, that aside there's something you could do instead of pay attention to bad blogs in the first place: Go read a good blog and pay your respects to that good blogger. The third reason I mentioned before as to why some people don't comment on good blogs is that they often don't feel they have anything worth saying, but if you liked a blog all you need to do is offer your encouragement. A simple compliment, question, or constructive criticism is very nice to see. When you're looking at a good blog and a bad blog, your decision on which to comment on helps shift the scale in favor of a better or worse Destructoid. Choose for yourself where the balance of your attention should truly be shifted.
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Indeed I noticed I was just stating the point, either way, though like I said these are good points, not many will take them up.
@Gecko
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Good blogs don't get many comments because there isn't much to say other than "great job", which is usually what I tend to do on yours.
I COMPLETELY 100% support a simple "nice blog!", especially on your blogs, and BulletMagnet's.
... though it's often been said, that if you feed the troll, you have to take it home, care for it and adopt it... because you're right, they're not going away if they're well fed.
I friended two people on here and they get drastically different coverage as far as comments go. Elsa has blogged regularly and gets a lot of comments because people like how she writes and what she writes about. And another, Tanukitsune, blogged about defeating his backlog and his experiences with the games, but I was for the most part the only person to regularly comment at all. =\ Of course, that's not to say that my blogs are any better, but...
I like you, Blankman. :D
It won't stop all the behavior that you discussed above, but it'll ensure that it's easier for the the good bloggers to get the feedback they need to stay motivated and writing. I don't care if people flame failblogs (it can be pretty funny, like an open-mic night), so long as the killer blogs are getting their due. There's quite a few excellent posters here that I want to keep giving encouragment to.
I'l admit I was one of those posting an image then FAIL or something on the Fail blogs...but I've stop like almost a month ago. It obviously wasn't working. I hope more can make the connection. But I'm with Jesus H, if it's funnny(maybe once in a blue moon) it is funny to watch...if anything.
@Walkyourpath: This rating system sounds pretty useful. It's true that simple "nice post" comments aren't as nice as longer ones, but I figured that between throwing a tiny comment at a good blog or a bad blog, it's overall more constructive to just hand the tiny comment to the good blog.
I think a "bury" or thumbs up/down rating type of feature would be very helpful in addressing this problem as long as it isn't abused or exploited.
Suffice to say, I agree 100% with what you said Wry but your advice will mostly fall on deaf ears for all reasons Bulletmagnet mentioned.
@DeBL00
If that's the case, my apologies for what I did in your last blog.
It pisses me off when BulletMagnet gets five comments and Hoborgs bias garbage gets a ton. It should be the opposite. I understand why it happens and sometimes it's fun, but not always.
The thing that will really solve all this is what Agent MOO suggested. Voting is in the works.
I think the community has been waiting for some time. Maybe a seperate page where the blogs are shown in rank. Make it so # shark.
I do very much agree with the silent treatment, Wry Guy. It's probably the most effective thing. It just goes against your instincts sometimes.
Also, I don't know how voting could be implemented without some serious abuse prevention in the works too.
I think that if there was a views counter on the blogs, that would be even better than a voting system, because even if there were no comments, at least there was some sort of evidence that someone out there took the time to read a person's blog. Then again, there's always a chance for abuse.
More staff interaction with the blogs instead of coming on just to plug a site/article would really help.
I'm always down for a more respectful userbase that rewards quality posting, but as has been stated by a number of my colleagues, many fail blogs are fun and hilarious. Biased garbage that starts rant fights aren't that sort, but some of Destructoid's best jokes and memes have come out of fail commenting and blogging. All told, I do my best to at least read the good posts that are put up by our users. They deserve it, and many of them certainly aren't getting the attention they deserve.
Sadly there are days where I just skim the good ones because it defiantly takes more effort to read and appreciate a good blog then a crappy one.
blaw fuckin blaw blaw blaw but what do i know? i'm just some moonshine sippin hillbilly jacknut who happens to grow pot and play video games.
With that said, every once in a while, I find it to be okay and such, but I just find that it happens FAR too often now. GARISON on my latest blog post, posted a comment saying how he "missed" me, and how I should post more often, and comment more. While I appreciate it and such, I find that I only wish to post on something "worth" my time to post on. Granted, does that sound "elitist" of me and such? Hell yes.
But in that regard, I'm not feeding trolls, wasting my time, nor am I just doing something that doesn't contribute anything to the community. I'll admit, I've had some posts where I just posted a retarded comment and all, but I don't believe I ever have in a Failblog. I'm not going to hold it against you guys and all if you choose to feed them and all, but I agree with WRY GUY that if it bothers you, like it does me, just don't post period. I've commented significantly less as well, but the blogs that I find have a lot of effort and such put into them, I try (keyword: try) to make a conscious effort to congratulate them on a blog well done, or such. I'm lagging behind, but the ones that RANDOMBULLSEYE did the other day are awesome, and have a lot of effort put into them.
As I said, having fun and being immature and all is okay every once in a while, but I reiterate that I find it's happening a bit too often nowadays on the site. As for taking it too "seriously" and all. I'd say there's a difference of taking it too seriously, and actually wanting to have some feedback on a topic you thought about, and took a great deal of time and effort to talk about, only to have it overshadowed by some fucking tard doing something stupid on purpose and everyone going "GTFO!" or "FAIL LIKE A MOMO!" and all that other unnecessary shit.
I've been busy as hell lately, so I haven't had much of a chance to blog and all lately, so I'm to blame and such, but I can confidently say that when I took about 2 days to write up my Club Nintendo blog, only to have like 12 comments, and be overshadowed by some fucktard who just posts a broken link, it isn't particularly encouraging, nor does it give the author a sense of whether or not his/her writing is being read/worth their time.
That's just my two cents and all. I'm pretty tired, so hopefully everything in there makes sense. As WRY GUY stated, and a few others in the comments, give some feedback to those that write a good blog and all. A little encouragement and all goes a long way.
We have a mighty CTZ to fight our battles, which I think is a fact that gets lost a bit. We tend to chew on a troll then, once tired, we hand them to the shark.
I'm willing cut out fail-feeding. for a bit. I'll admit, I am a little curious to see how the cblog space would look if a small chunk of the community didn't carry the flame torch like we do.
Very good points. I'm going to make more of an effort to stop feeding the trolls, even if I want to make a comment about how much they fail.
And sometimes, I read these awesome c-blogs and don't comment, only because I'd feel stupid for just putting a "good read", as I sometimes don't have enough time to elaborate. But...I guess even that brief comment will let the writer know that they aren't being ignored for some failblog.