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TOO OLD! What Soulcalibur 5 Says About Women
Wrenchfarm | 8:24 PM on 02.06.2012 27 comments




Criticizing the Soulcalibur franchise for sexism is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel isn't it? When a series includes characters like Ivy and focuses their promotional material on boobs shots you certainly have plenty of ammunition at your disposal.

But what is upsetting me about Soulcalibur 5 isn't the cleavage or ridiculous stripper costumes – it's what the game assumes about women and the player base for fighting games.

The Soulcalibur games differ a bit from other fighting game series in that they like to include large time jumps in between games. Soulcalibur takes place three years after the events in Soulblade, and SC2 takes place a further four years after that. The most recent title, SC5 is set 17 years from where SC4 left off.

What is interesting to note though is which characters have managed to stay with the series over these time gaps and which ones have been dumped.

It started with Sophitia. The blonde and top-heavy sword and board fighter from the original Soulblade. In SC2 Sophitia was dropped from the roster and replaced with her sister Casandra. A blonde, top-heavy sword and board fighter that happened to be about four or five years younger.

In SC5 both of these ladies are dumped and replaced with Pyrrha, Sophitia's now adolescent daughter who is, you guessed it, a blonde top-heavy sword and board fighter.

Chai Xianghua, a Chinese fencer is replaced by her 15 year old daughter Lexia who fights with the same style.

Ninja demon-slayer Taki has been replaced by her apprentice - a teenaged bubbly blonde ninja-girl. Hrumph.

Meanwhile we have returning male characters; Sigfried the knight, undead-pirate Cervantes, legendary Ronin Mitsurugi, Maxi, Kilik, Raphael, and Voldo. None of them seem to have been replaced by younger cuter models (well I guess there is Xiba, but Kilik is right there to slap him anyway). So what's the deal Namco?

Take a look at the cast. The majority of the male characters are, or appear to be, over 30 or more. Meanwhile the majority of girls on the roster are in their teens. Even the two women with a few more years appear to be no older than their late 20s. While we have been able to watch the men grow and age throughout the series, the women are constantly subbed out for younger versions. I guess if you are a woman in the Calibur games, the Soul stops burning at 29.


"Hey Sigs, you don't think I'm too old to fight do you?" "Nah Mits, 45 is the new 20... Unless you're a chick."

For the men, age is not a negative thing. In fact, for all the regular human men it is shown as universally positive. Sig's has grown over the series from a violent and guilt-ridden youth to a meditative savior figure and military leader. Mitsurugi has become famous as one of the last true samurai. Maxi is no longer a death-seeking pirate but a guardian for a group of young warriors.

For the men, the 17 year gap between games was nothing but a chance to become even more badassed. The passage of time has given them experience, self-reflection, and has made them more interesting characters.

For the women of the series, that 17 year gap was the end of the line. Instead of experiencing any of the character growth enjoyed by the dudes, the girls were relegated to the backbench while characters who are essentially their clones (or in the case of Taki - a bizarre Caucasian girl) stepped into the lime-light.

It important to note how similar these new girls play to their predecessors. All of them adopt nearly all the same moves and play-style from their fore-bearers. There is very little evolution in play or variance to speak of. They were not brought on as replacements to spice up the game-play or do something new as a fighter. They exist solely as younger hotter versions.

It shows what Namco thinks of their characters. The men are defined by their ability and skill as warriors – age just makes them cooler. But the girls are defined by their sex appeal – a few extra years makes the character worthless and easily replaceable. I think that is a profoundly negative outlook.

There are only two female characters that appear in SC5 over 29. Ivy, a hyper-sexualized dominatrix who conquered ageing and death with a combination of alchemy and dark magic. While she has a few more years on her, she looks like she is in her 20s – so I'm not going to take her inclusion as a triumphant victory for feminism.

The other exception is Hilde, who at the ripe age of 34 is the single oldest woman in the game – her character was designed specifically to address criticisms of sexism in the SC series and continues to stand alone as the classiest lady in the series. Not coincidentally, she also happens to have the most interesting storyline and character of all the female fighters.

So is this what Namco thinks of its player base? That they couldn't possibly risk letting the ladies age alongside the men or gamers would have thrown their up fightsticks in protest? Would the disc have melted in the tray if Sophitia hadn't been replaced by her near identical but younger sister, and later her daughter?

They could have just made the original ladies super-hot regardless of their age. I would rather they include an unnaturally beautiful 40 year old woman than blatantly snub her for a younger model. At least we could have pretended the former wasn't pandering.

It frustrates me as a male gamer when developers talk down to their audience like this. Implying that the only possible reason guys would play a game like Soulcalibur is because of the titillation of the virtual ladies.

Some people will always rush to defend this kind of design. That somehow Ivy's DDD breasts and constant moaning is empowering – or that the typical lack of armour or clothing for the girls is to compliment an "evasive" fighting technique, not to simply show as much skin as possible in a game without tripping an AO rating. But it just seems like bullshit to me.

I'm not a woman, I can't speak to it personally, but I would have to assume that the emphasis on the sexuality of their female cast is alienating. I know that it would make me uncomfortable if Siegfried only wore a banana hammock cradling a massively out of proportion package and moaned like he enjoyed being spanked with every hit.


"I feel so empowered right now... In my pants.

This is especially glaring to me in the current climate of the fighting game community. For a genre and community that has such an intense desire to blow up, to go pro and become a legitimate e-sport, you think they would try to be more inclusive. I really do think one of the major factors holding the FGC back is the juvenile and sexist character designs that plague the genre.

Devs want their characters to be appealing and marketable, I get that. But I also believe you can have appealing female characters over 30. In fact, call me a rouge, but I think you can have female characters that are appealing and marketable without relying on cheesecake if you put effort into their personalities, story-lines, and play-styles.

In fact they could had it both ways. If Namco had kept the older ladies and put in the younger girls BUT with different fighting styles, that would have satisfied their desire for buxom ladies AND actually moved the game-play forward. I think that is what fighting game fans would have wanted most of all.



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TheManchild's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 20:46
TheManchild
Excellent take on a usually overdone topic!

I really had a good time reading this, good show!
knutaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 20:52
knutaf
I don't know much about the SC series aside from the sexist associations, so I find this blog really pretty insightful (and depressing). I don't know enough about the series to even try to argue against your conclusions. They seem pretty damning to me.
Stephen Beirne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 21:07
Stephen Beirne
Aye, sexism is a double-edged sword - in the case of SC, it's demeaning to women and insulting to men.

Here's hoping this sees the front page!
Stahlbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 21:09
Stahlbrand
Best thing about SCV is the character creator. If I had to play as the default characters, I wouldn't. The default female characters are just icky in their overt pandering. The weapon-based fighting is a great deal of fun though.

Great article, well reasoned and not crammed with specious over-generalizations -- which seems to be a hazard for many articles addressing sexism, sadly.

Not many franchises significantly age their characters, SF implies the passage of time but most differences in characters when older (SF4) or younger (Alpha) could be attributed to blanket art style changes. It is the cliche that where aging exists in fiction dudes get grizzled and gain world-weary wisdom while females step out of active roles which are taken up by younger replacements.

Not to mention the additional detail that, and this is particularly true of games developed in Japan, a curious number of female characters are in their mid to late teens when there age is printed, but clearly possessed of adult bodies. Whats up with that?
Nihil's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 21:13
Nihil
You realize this series is managed by Japanese men, right? They think a bit differently in the East about how women should be portrayed in their video games; which unfortunately clashes with our sensibilities here in the West.

Personally, I can't find myself caring about the future of the series anymore, but this is just one of the reasons why. I'm a big fan of original/creative character designs (see: guilty gear/blazblu), and Project Soul seems to have lost touch with that completely.

Then again, they make bank off the games, regardless, so they can do whatever the hell they want and not give a shit about crappy "new" characters.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 21:17
The Silent Protagonist
To be fair, the long running story for both Ivy and Cervantes is that their blood is cursed by the Soul Edge, so they're exempt from the aging process until the Soul Edge is totally destroyed. Last I checked, Ivy wants it destroyed and her father, Cervantes, does not.

This hes been the story since SCII, anyway. There's also the fact her sword only works for her, so who would she pass that skill down to if she doesn't want to have a child cursed with her blood?

The rest, though? You're totally spot-on about. There's no reason Taki can't still be a ninja if Mitsurugi is still a functional samurai. The way the rest of the female cast shifted and the male cast stayed the same is pretty insulting to anyone's intelligence.
Zugzwang's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 21:36
Zugzwang
Agreed through and through, particularly your argument about the fighting game community. It's really hard to be loud and proud about the hobby when so many of these games are mortifyingly sexist and juvenile, and as a result, excluding a lot of people who may have otherwise been interested. People can have their cheesecake, I just wish it was the alternative rather than the billboard.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 21:39
Thane Vickers
It's not really just a Soul series thing. It's seems to be a Japan thing in general.
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 21:49
sheppy
I wish I had the energy to fight this, I really do. Instead I'll beg you to find a topic that wasn't inspired by yet another Leigh Alexander fanboy. And for fucks sake, check your facts on this. Seriously, REALLY look high and low and see how much shit you got wrong with this. Like Maxi actually aging, Tira and Hilde's age, and Sophitia actually not being in SCII. This amatuer hour shit, man.
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 22:07
Corduroy Turtle
"I guess if you are a woman in the Calibur games, the Soul stops burning at 29." Ha, loved that line.

@sheppy - Your avatar looks like a penis with a face. It suits you.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 22:17
Occams electric toothbrush
@Corduroy Turtle: I always thought it looked like a sun burnt testicle. Either way it works.

As for the article: I completely agree. My only exception is this:

I know that it would make me uncomfortable if Siegfried only wore a banana hammock cradling a massively out of proportion package and moaned like he enjoyed being spanked with every hit.

That is a game I would play.

Anywho, great article. Thanks!
StriderHoang's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 22:22
StriderHoang
I'm surprised this point escaped me. Also, what ever happened to Talim?
mrplow8's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 22:35
mrplow8
I don't agree with people who say that it's somehow disrespectful to women to have female characters who are depicted in a way that's considered to be sexually provocative. I don't think that there's anything shameful or degrading about sexuality.

I haven't had a chance to play SC5 yet, but I have been keeping up with the game, and I've seen a lot of gameplay videos and screen shots. From what I can tell, none of the returning characters, male or female, appear to look that dramatically different. At one point I thought that I was watching a video of a much older looking version of Mitsurugi, but then I realized that what I was actually seeing was Edge Master using Mitsurugi's fighting style.

From what I've seen, and from what I've heard from other people who have played the game, it doesn't seem like any of the characters have aged that much. I was actually expecting Namco to give us older looking versions of the characters, and then try to nickel and dime us by selling all of the classic younger versions of the characters as DLC skins. But I guess not. Based on what I've seen of the game, it doesn't seem like the men have physically aged any more than the women.

Your observation that many of the female characters have been replaced by younger versions of themselves seems to be more accurate, but that's Soul Calibur. It's like watching a porno and being surprised that all of the female roles are being played by hot 18 to 20 year olds. That's pretty much what it is. If that isn't what you're looking for, then Soul Calibur may not be for you. Which is fine. Nothing appeals to everyone, but I don't think that there's anything wrong, morally or otherwise, with games like Soul Calibur being what they are.
Moblin88's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 22:47
Moblin88
This should be promoted, EXCELLENT article.

Also, man alive, it's VERY creepy how young they seem to be aging these female characters, according to the article. Never bought an SC game, definitely not going to now. Ergh.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 22:59
The Silent Protagonist
@Sheppy - Sophitia wasn't in the arcade version of SCII and that was the version people played for about almost two ears before the console release.

See, there was this time we DIDN'T play fighting games just on consoles. Peoplw would leave the house and actually go out to arcades. This was a time the console version of a game still wasn't the end-all/be-all.

I'm one of the people that poured all that time into SCII and imported well before the US console release, so he's not entirely incorrect. Sophitia was not there.
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/06/2012 23:09
sheppy
When you can't rebute me, attack me. Which is fine. but hey, let's go over the list for shits and giggles.

Kilik's Staff was handed off to young Xiba, just as the other "replacement" characters took their previous mentors place. One would think Xiba, traveling with natsu, Lexia, and Maxi as a single group, TO THE WEST, would actually point towards those characters being Namco's fun little poke towards Journey to the West. Designing the new characters around those traditional roles and leaving Maxi, unaged and still his lusty lazy self, as the Pig Man. MUCH easier to go with the sexism route rather than seeing the obvious homage to one of China's oldest and most famous folktales. Xiba had a fucking tail, people. Do they have to name him Monkey for you to get the reference? Wait... considering the online rants I saw about how Monkey in Enslaved was a total Goku ripoff, don't answer that.

Tira and Hilde both, as returning characters, went past that 29 age limit and actually LOOKED it. Hilde looks older, more distinguished. Tira, as well, looks older but even more twisted. (well, she is trying to usurp the Nightmare power from it's current owner into an avatar of her choosing)

Other characters, like Mitsurugi and Voldo look like fucking hell, man. Voldo's skin is starting to sag and crack in areas around his head, Mitsurugi is covered with massive scars, including a musket wound to his shoulder. Only Siegfried looks anything remotely close to decent despite the time that passed. Of course Maxi looks great but, oh wait, he DOESN'T FUCKING AGE due to the Soul Edge shard lodged in his body. This fact he often uses as a joke and even to his advantage when seducing women. (see Journey to the West reference point above)

Of course when the article starts it's point with talking about Sophitia being replaced by Cassandra in SCII when Sophitia is IN Soul Calibur II, it's kinda like saying Ryu was replaced by Dan in Street Fighter or Reptile replaced Sub-Zero in Mortal Kombat. The character is there, how in the holy fuck are they replaced?

Of course all of this is removed by the fact that a LOT of the roster is simply no longer there. Characters haven't been replaced, they've been wholesale removed. Of the new character roster, this is one of the most even replacements. Seven new characters, three of which are male, four of which are female. Hwang, Rock, Zasalamel are just as missed as Talim and Amy in my eyes.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 01:11
Kyousuke Nanbu
Pyrahh is quite possibly the most offensive female character I have ever seen.

She is a horrible moe blob who's constantly whining and crying every time she attacks and fights, she's horrible.
DrButler's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 01:20
DrButler
SoCal's community has heavy French representation. Make what you will of that.

It's also popular with casual audience's, which would explain the pandering.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 12:27
Elsa
What others said... this should be promoted! Excellent observations and I think this sums up a lot of the complaints that women have about female characterizations in video games... the characters are created entirely for men.

.. and the male demographic has gotten older so the male characters have apparently kept up... but apparently 30 year old men prefer teenage girls to more mature female characters... at least that is apparently what game developers seem to think.

As a side note, almost all of the female gamers that I know personally are over 20 and usually married or in a committed relationship. I also know of at least 6 over-40 female gamers, so my demographic may be quiet, but it certainly isn't an empty demographic.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 13:16
Elsa
What others said... this should be promoted! Excellent observations and I think this sums up a lot of the complaints that women have about female characterizations in video games... the characters are created entirely for men.

.. and the male demographic has gotten older so the male characters have apparently kept up... but apparently 30 year old men prefer teenage girls to more mature female characters... at least that is apparently what game developers seem to think.

As a side note, almost all of the female gamers that I know personally are over 20 and usually married or in a committed relationship. I also know of at least 6 over-40 female gamers, so my demographic may be quiet, but it certainly isn't an empty demographic. Having younger female characters definitely is not an attempt to appeal to the female demographic out there. Having slightly older female characters might be.
Voltech's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 13:53
Voltech
@Kyousuke Nanbu:
I knew I wasn't the only one bothered by Pyrrha's personality. I guess there's some sort of rationale behind it in-universe (at least, I hope there is), but hearing her shout "I'm sorry!" and acting clumsy leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Well, at least one of said clumsy moves opens the enemy up for a Critical Finish...I guess...

Also, where IS Talim? Did I miss something story-wise?
fulldamage's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 16:14
fulldamage
I am fond of the SC series, but it's been a while since I actually tried to make any sense of the story; when you list out the roster like that, though, it's pretty damning, and you make some astute observations here. Hilde is undoubtedly the coolest new character design they've produced in ages.
The Astros's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 16:32
The Astros
This is a thoughtful and well written article and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it! I agree with everything you wrote but add one comment: what makes matters worse is that these "new" younger characters don't even have much of a story assigned to them. All I really know about any of them is what you wrote in your article. No in game bios or endings for any of them.
Wrenchfarm's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 17:41
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@TheManchild
Thanks!

@knutaf
Yeah, the Soul's series isn't known for their tactfulness. Its a shame that its reputation for cheesecake is greater than its reputation as a solid fighting game series.

@Stephen Beirne
Thanks for the kind words!

@Stahlbrand
I was going to mention the skeeziness of replacing the adult female sex symbols with pubescent sex symbols, but I didn't want to harp on and on. Indeed, the age of the new girls is just another layer in the uncomfortable embarrassment cake of SCV.

@Nihil
I don't think "it was made in Japan" should be a valid excuse for sexism. I'm right with you on Guilty Gear and Blazblue though, those games are amazing and the character designs are crazy imaginative.

@The Silent Protagonist
I mention that Ivy doesn't age naturally, but to me that is kinda the problem. Its like "oh we have a older woman, but don't worry – physically she is still in her mid-20's!" Seems like a dodge to me. Anyway, I think they really missed an opportunity to spice up the game-play with the new girls, particularly Taki's apprentice. They could have kept Taki's duel wielding style and had the new girl fight with some other ninja style like the chain and sickle thing.

@Corduroy Turtle
I want to see RSSP commercials featuring ninja grandmothers burning up their souls mini-golfing in Florida.

@Occams
If only the character creator had a slider for "girthiness"

@Strider
Yeah she was pretty popular! Not sure why they didn't bring her back.

@mrplow8
Maybe comparing the Soulcalibur series to porno is kinda making my point?

And yes, the men don't seem any worse for wear do they? Again, that is my point. If its ok to let the men advance into middle age (or in the case of Voldo, creepy grandpa) and still treat them like physically capable fighters, why not the women? And to be clear, my problem isn't just with sexy ladies in games – it's the blatant pandering of trading in the slightly aging women for younger models. They could have kept all the original girls in and made them super-hot 30-40 year olds just like they kept the guys in as super-fit middle aged men.

@Moblin88
I'm glad you liked my article, but it wasn't my intention to tell people not to buy the game or boycott it or anything! Its actually a pretty good game with an amazing character creator and a fun fighting system. If you like 3D fighting games, its a decent pick-up. If you feel strongly enough about the sexism in the game and don't want to support the title than that is your choice, but I wasn't trying to tell people not to buy it.

@Sheppy
Your reading comprehension may be a little low. I specifically addressed several of the points you are holding against the article. Kilik is still in the game despite Xiba taking a similar fighting style, unlike the women who were replaced whole-cloth. I mention Hilde as the only legitimately ageing character (and the classiest lady in the series to boot) and Tira is another unnatural character that doesn't age thanks to the Soul Edge.

Again, saying the men all look great is kinda making my point. If Sigs can still be a knight at 39, why can't Taki be a ninja? Also, Mits' scars and bread of awesome don't look make him look haggard or weak, they make him look well travelled and badassed. Age is positive for him because it equates to experience and survival. Voldo's age only accentuates how unnatural and creepy he is, which is his whole schtick. Maxi's age might be slowed, but he has still undergone character growth and plot development – something the replaced women won't enjoy.

And as Silent Protagonist mentioned, Sophitia was not in the arcade release of SC2, she only showed up on console as a bonus character.

@Kyosuke Nabu and Voltech
I know right!? How bout her throw animation where she simply fails and falls over?

@Elsa
Developers need to wise up and realize that more people are playing games now than 14-25 year old guys. Men are playing later and later in life and more women than ever are gaming. Its time to start trying to appeal to a more diverse audience.

It could be said that fighting games are pretty entrenched with the young male audience, but maybe that's because no developer has bothered reaching out to anyone else.

@fulldamage
Word to Hilde props. Definitely the coolest woman in the game.

@TheAstros
SC5 seems pretty light on story content for most characters other than the three you play as in the story mode. You don't even get a story board ending for beating arcade mode. To be fair, there is content available about the new characters, but its light and you have to go out of your way to find it.
Ramminchuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 20:38
Ramminchuck
Great read! I agree with everything except that last little bit about the adding new young female characters with new fighting styles on top of the older ones. Was going to argue against but I don't have too much ammunition after finding out SCV has MORE characters than SCIV even after removing a few...(even subtracting the 3 mimic characters). All I have is to say I think adding MORE fighting styles would muck up a lot of the streamlining Namco did. But even that is probably a weak argument. Soooooooooooo yay Hilde being one of my favourite characters! :D
Kylehyde's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2012 23:14
Kylehyde
Awesome article man. Seriously this has to be promoted, is really well written. Certainly I've never saw the things in that way, is sad that in many series that had "large time skips" most of the time the original female characters doesn't appear again in favor of voluptuous young girls who resemble them.
Jaded's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2012 12:19
Jaded
Excellent blog! I've been dabbling with a blog about the Tomb Raider series, and one of the points I mention is Lara's revamped younger image. It's interesting that quite a few male characters can be named who've aged throughout their respective game's series, and yet I can't think of one female character who has.
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