Did I miss something DmC related today that's got people talking about it again? Cuz someone else a little further down the cblogs page was talking about it too and even made a similar Dante/Travis Touchdown comparison.
I really hate being lazy sometimes, but I'm just going to copy/paste my comment from that blog here.
My problem with New Dante's look really isn't that it's a departure from the traditional look, its just that the new look is pretty devoid of anything that strikes me as creative or unique. They took a character who at least had a recognizable look and, at least visually, turned him into generic video game hero number twelve. He's got a super plain look in a world that's everything but 'plain', and this is why original Dante's super ridiculous looks worked.
I really hate being lazy sometimes, but I'm just going to copy/paste my comment from that blog here.
My problem with New Dante's look really isn't that it's a departure from the traditional look, its just that the new look is pretty devoid of anything that strikes me as creative or unique. They took a character who at least had a recognizable look and, at least visually, turned him into generic video game hero number twelve. He's got a super plain look in a world that's everything but 'plain', and this is why original Dante's super ridiculous looks worked.
I share a lot of your sentiments, right down to your last two sentences there. My biggest concern though is the combat. The technical, actually requires skill combat systems are slowly being phased out and it looks like this another series to do it. Especially sad since if it does, it follows Ninja Gaiden down this shitty, no skill path and those were my favorite technical action franchises.
Its not just the looks, its the personality shown thus far, the fuck you conversation between Dante and a boss had me cringing, when he signs fuck you to the guest list in the trailers, what the fuck is that? That won't appeal but edgy teenagers.
DMC was ridiculous but so was the titular character, he gave no fucks at all.
And I also agree with Phil, the combat looks much simpler and dumbed down which goes against everything DMC is, do a search for DMC4 freestyle to see the kind of shit you can in that game.
DMC was ridiculous but so was the titular character, he gave no fucks at all.
And I also agree with Phil, the combat looks much simpler and dumbed down which goes against everything DMC is, do a search for DMC4 freestyle to see the kind of shit you can in that game.
@SephirothX: No, you didn't miss anything. In fact, in the comments section of Nigma's post I mentioned that I thought I'd tackle the subject on my own. A fire was lit under me, so to speak. But that aside, I agree with you both here and there -- DmC's world is the best part about DmC, while Devil May Cry as a whole had damn near everything else be more exciting. The character, the combat, the spirit...the only way this game can impress me right now is to give us something that Devil May Cry stumbled with: the writing.
@PhilK3n S3bb3n: Funny thing about the last two sentences -- I left off the "New" in "New Dante" because, for all my complaints, it seemed appropriate. If only for a little while, this is Dante. If he and his game are great, he'll earn his title. If they aren't, he'll be fully-recognized as an impostor.
Like I said on Nigma's post, I'm woefully unqualified to talk about the combat (slow reflexes, lead fingers, etc.). But even if I wasn't good at the game, even a greenhorn like me can see the brilliance and potential, just like I can in games like Street Fighter or MvC. With DmC...I dunno, I just can't see that brilliance. Maybe Capcom/Ninja Theory will give us a combo video or something to put our fears at rest, but...well, I just wrote like two thousand words explaining why I'm so apprehensive.
@Kyousuke Nanbu: Yes, DMC was ridiculous. I still go to YT every now and then to watch Dante's hammy acting with Agnus; the most ridiculous thing I've seen from DmC is Dante spiraling around naked. You can probably guess which one wins favor.
DmC is a lot more serious than its predecessors, no question -- but right now, it's only been to its detriment. Maybe it'll pay off once we get the full story, and maybe New Dante won't be as much of a misfit. But then again, those are some pretty big maybes...
@PhilK3n S3bb3n: Funny thing about the last two sentences -- I left off the "New" in "New Dante" because, for all my complaints, it seemed appropriate. If only for a little while, this is Dante. If he and his game are great, he'll earn his title. If they aren't, he'll be fully-recognized as an impostor.
Like I said on Nigma's post, I'm woefully unqualified to talk about the combat (slow reflexes, lead fingers, etc.). But even if I wasn't good at the game, even a greenhorn like me can see the brilliance and potential, just like I can in games like Street Fighter or MvC. With DmC...I dunno, I just can't see that brilliance. Maybe Capcom/Ninja Theory will give us a combo video or something to put our fears at rest, but...well, I just wrote like two thousand words explaining why I'm so apprehensive.
@Kyousuke Nanbu: Yes, DMC was ridiculous. I still go to YT every now and then to watch Dante's hammy acting with Agnus; the most ridiculous thing I've seen from DmC is Dante spiraling around naked. You can probably guess which one wins favor.
DmC is a lot more serious than its predecessors, no question -- but right now, it's only been to its detriment. Maybe it'll pay off once we get the full story, and maybe New Dante won't be as much of a misfit. But then again, those are some pretty big maybes...
Well now I feel like the quick rebuttal I spent 80 minutes writing and and then fully rewriting, with absolutely nothing but the bare surface knowledge of a character. That became a critique about character design not being a make or break feature, was kinda crap compared to this. Good show, now I'm off to edit my upcoming work, since you metaphorically kicked my rear into gear with this.
Dude, I totally agree with your entire DmC argument. I have argued with my DMC fanboy friend(s) about this, and I explained why Old Dante was better than New Dante using (practically) the same arguments you did. I'm glad to know I'm on the same page with SOMEONE.
The first thing that happens when you switch on a DMC game is Dante smashes through the violent content warning, new Dante will probably read it out loud like the start of Jackass.
I'm not going to get too involved in this whole business primarily because at this point I've found that it's ultimately best to just wait for the game to come out in January so that we've had the full thing in our hands and can play it. Admittedly there's still a lot of irrationality among some of the detractors. (Not from you Voltech, your argument here is admittedly more reasonable than some of the ones I've seen)
I will admit that Neo-Dante is a bit more serious than the one in DMC3, though I'm also not convinced that they've toned him down completely. Aside from the scene where he dresses himself in midair in slo-mo, there have been scenes where he has given out a quip or two. ("That just seemed to go on and on. Church" comes to mind) But I am still willing to see if that changes to be closer to the original Dante. Keep in mind that this is supposed to be an origin story, and it's likely that his personality could change as time progresses.
Even if he didn't become like old Dante, though, I'm also of the opinion that they could still make a compelling experience around the whole thing. If Batman can result in products like the old campy live action series and also The Dark Knight trilogy, then maybe Devil May Cry can as well. (Granted, Batman is probably one of the few properties that can pull it off, so it could be more difficult for DmC.)
I'm also not entirely buying the notion that the old DMC formula wasn't broken. I may not have played through more than DMC1 and part of 3, but I can't necessarily say that I haven't seen fans who thought that, judging by DMC4, the old games were running out of steam. Maybe not a huge amount, but enough to suggest that a non-canon entry to shake things up might not be such a bad thing.
Anyway, as I said before I'm not interested in getting into an argument yet, but I figured I'd hop in and give my two cents. Ultimately, I'm just a guy who wants to have some fun with the darn thing at the end of the day, and what I've seen of DmC suggest that it'll provide.
I will admit that Neo-Dante is a bit more serious than the one in DMC3, though I'm also not convinced that they've toned him down completely. Aside from the scene where he dresses himself in midair in slo-mo, there have been scenes where he has given out a quip or two. ("That just seemed to go on and on. Church" comes to mind) But I am still willing to see if that changes to be closer to the original Dante. Keep in mind that this is supposed to be an origin story, and it's likely that his personality could change as time progresses.
Even if he didn't become like old Dante, though, I'm also of the opinion that they could still make a compelling experience around the whole thing. If Batman can result in products like the old campy live action series and also The Dark Knight trilogy, then maybe Devil May Cry can as well. (Granted, Batman is probably one of the few properties that can pull it off, so it could be more difficult for DmC.)
I'm also not entirely buying the notion that the old DMC formula wasn't broken. I may not have played through more than DMC1 and part of 3, but I can't necessarily say that I haven't seen fans who thought that, judging by DMC4, the old games were running out of steam. Maybe not a huge amount, but enough to suggest that a non-canon entry to shake things up might not be such a bad thing.
Anyway, as I said before I'm not interested in getting into an argument yet, but I figured I'd hop in and give my two cents. Ultimately, I'm just a guy who wants to have some fun with the darn thing at the end of the day, and what I've seen of DmC suggest that it'll provide.
@Elect-Nigma: I look forward to seeing it. And I'm glad I managed to light a fire under you, seeing as how you did the same for me.
@Mark Viveiros: Really? Even the Dreamworks Face thing? Because I'd argue that's the lynchpin of the discussion...well, sort of.
@Handy: Oh no...oh no, please, don't even joke about that. I would prefer for New Dante to do NOTHING instead of that.
@VGFreak1225: Well, I try to be rational, and I'm thankful you're doing the same. I'll admit that I'm not an authority on the franchise, and I'll also admit that Old Dante (and by extension his games) weren't perfect.That said, there were still narrative threads that could have been pursued in the context of that story, instead of an all-out reboot. I've heard the argument that if Capcom wanted a reboot (or origin story, or whatever), they should have done so in the context of Sparda -- letting players see what it was like to be the franchise's legendary hero. That was all they really needed to do to shake things up.
I'm also a little wary about making DmC gritty, especially in light of your Dark Knight trilogy comparison. They're good movies, yes, but we don't need everything to become like them. Not only do we have those movies, but we have games that invoke the specter -- why have a series that revels in stylish crazy action do the same?
My arguing aside, you do bring up some good points. I liked DMC4, but I'll gladly admit that Nero's story arc wasn't too fantastic. And even though I give New Dante crap, there's still a LOT we don't know about him (or at the very least, a lot I haven't seen). I'm still very concerned that I can only say "I'll just have to wait and see" instead of "I'm so hyped for this game", but...well, I guess that's all a part of the developers' strategy.
@Mark Viveiros: Really? Even the Dreamworks Face thing? Because I'd argue that's the lynchpin of the discussion...well, sort of.
@Handy: Oh no...oh no, please, don't even joke about that. I would prefer for New Dante to do NOTHING instead of that.
@VGFreak1225: Well, I try to be rational, and I'm thankful you're doing the same. I'll admit that I'm not an authority on the franchise, and I'll also admit that Old Dante (and by extension his games) weren't perfect.That said, there were still narrative threads that could have been pursued in the context of that story, instead of an all-out reboot. I've heard the argument that if Capcom wanted a reboot (or origin story, or whatever), they should have done so in the context of Sparda -- letting players see what it was like to be the franchise's legendary hero. That was all they really needed to do to shake things up.
I'm also a little wary about making DmC gritty, especially in light of your Dark Knight trilogy comparison. They're good movies, yes, but we don't need everything to become like them. Not only do we have those movies, but we have games that invoke the specter -- why have a series that revels in stylish crazy action do the same?
My arguing aside, you do bring up some good points. I liked DMC4, but I'll gladly admit that Nero's story arc wasn't too fantastic. And even though I give New Dante crap, there's still a LOT we don't know about him (or at the very least, a lot I haven't seen). I'm still very concerned that I can only say "I'll just have to wait and see" instead of "I'm so hyped for this game", but...well, I guess that's all a part of the developers' strategy.

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