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At least the sound is good: Battlefield 1943
Trev | 1:48 PM on 07.15.2009 18 comments


I've received a few messages on PSN in regards to my standing comment message and decided to set down my thoughts on it rather than send individual messages (award for most uses of the word "message" goes to...). I wrote a lot and then threw most of it out to cut it down to just the issues that bothered me. I like the gameplay, the sound is amazing and the graphics are fine—no awards will be given out, but I don't sit and wonder how they thought this was a current-gen game. The scale of the game is huge. Going on about the things I like neither explains the message nor makes for a concise blog.



My message: 194Shit. To the point and unambiguous. Not three, shit. I feel that, in spite of enjoying many things about it, it fails in the aspect I hold most important in multiplayer gaming: being able to play with my friends.

I bought the game so I could play it in Friday Night Fights, but sadly, it seems to actively discourage trying to play with your friends. Private matches can't be started unless they are completely full. We didn't actually get to play for FNF because we were three people short. After bullshitting in the lobby for a while, we finally gave up and went to play a different game from a better developer. BlazBlue, for the record, lets you start a game whenever you damn well please. WOAH. Maybe if we ask really nice the Japanese will share this super-advanced “start the game button” technology with us! I'd swear this is narcissism, like everyone on every online service will be playing it so clearly there are always people to invite. How could your game ever not be full?!

Compounding the issue with starting a match is the fact that, even if you do, you will only ever be able to talk with three of your teammates a a time. Good luck telling someone to join you in a landing boat or coordinate at fucking all with other squads. If you and three friends just want to play, that would be great except for the part where you can't select which squad you'll join, so even if you get into the same game and onto the same team, it's still completely up in the air if you'll really be able to play with someone from your friends list or just in the same game as them. Since most of the vehicles don't seat four, you generally get split up as the game goes on, negating the point of even trying to team up in the first place. Four man squad, three man jeep; peachy keen, DICE.

Hypothetically, even if I do what I have not done at all yet and get onto the same game, team and squad as three of them, and manage to stick with them for the match so we can actually act as a team, it gets reset at the end of the match. I've had enemies shuffled onto my team fairly regularly.



Seriously, do you know how to do these things? Can you, in a reasonably reliable way, join games and teams and specific squads with people you actually know and play with them? Tell me! I would love to have this information so that I can derive the same kind of enjoyment from this game as I do from others like Killzone 2, COD4, and Warhawk that don't give me such a fucking runaround. DICE, just open up the damn chat so we don't have to deal with this bullshit and can really work as a team.

[Edit:Rather than hide this sentiment in the comments, I'll tack it on the end. I really do enjoy playing this game. It's uncomplicated fun. I guess the planes are kind of tricky, but beyond that all you have to do is hop on and shoot guys. I know what I'm in for every time I start the game, and it's fun. I'm a fan of evaluating games as unique entities, but other games have such similar styles or squad systems and DICE just didn't get that aspect of it right. In fact, they got it very, very wrong and it makes for a hefty blight on an otherwise great experience.]



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Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 14:01
Chris Carter
Can't you just get your friends together in a squad like Call of Duty 4 and play? I think that's limited to 4 people, but hey, it's better than most games, right?
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 14:05
Elsa
You can send a squad invite and squad up with 4 friends then join a game. You can actually talk to each other and you stay together... for about 3 games - then everything falls apart for some reason. Voice chat fails reliably at some point.. then suddenly you find yourself in a squad with a bunch of strangers - and even sometimes on the other team.

Yeah... the system is drastically flawed. The 15 person private game is also ridiculous because you have to wait till all 15 get there... you can't even play the game and let people join while playing. I understand it's so that they can allow for all games to be ranked, but with no advantages to ranking up, who cares. Let people start the game whenever they want.

I rented Battlefield Bad Company and loved the game, but didn't buy it because it was just too difficult to game with friends. Unless Dice manages to fix this, I suspect that Battlefield Bad Company 2 will also be a rental. (and they had voice chat issues with BFBC too... one would think that they would have this resolved by now!)

Yeah, I fully agree with your blog. Being able to play with friends is something that every game should easily allow for. My husband often plays the game in the next room and I don't even bother squadding up with him... we know we'll just end up separated a few games down the road. :(
Trev's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 14:07
Trev
@Magnalon
Honestly haven't tested that one myself. I've been told that attempting to join a game that way just sends the first person and leaves everyone else at the menu.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 14:13
Takeshi
Until they fix it. I will play this game by myself. I got to the point I'm not even trying to get a squad together. I occasionally join someone that's in a game without sending an invite or whatever. I just join and see what happens. Which is actually kind of funny sometimes. I was playing a game with Elsa and first we were on the same side, the next game we were playing against each other. I didn't look at the leaderboard so I didn't know I was playing against her. All of a sudden I see:
Elsa --> JohanHin
I was laughing so hard when I saw here ramming a jeep into me.

Like I told Elsa the other day. I can't hear my team mates for longer than one round. But I could hear somebody random who was watching The Cosby Show.

All the flaws aside I think this is a bloody good game.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 14:31
Elsa
Yeah... it's always very special when you kill somebody you know in a room of random strangers... though not always so special when they repeatedly kill you back! :)

... I'm with Takeshi... until they sort out the issues, I just jump into random games with people on my buddy list but don't bother getting into a squad with them. I'm also at the point where I don't bother turning on my mic... which is VERY unusual for me because I do like to have some form of team strategy going on... even if it's to yell at a guy to wait and I'll fix his tank for him.
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 14:36
shipero
Like the others have said I've had no problem getting in a squad, but staying in said squad longer than a round is a whole other story. They should also give the option of making an open game that you you could invite x number of friends and fill the open slots with strangers.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 14:38
JACK of No Trades
I would buy it to play with everybody, but 15 bucks just sounds like to much for an downloadable game. Ten bucks and I would have bought it.
Trev's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 14:48
Trev
I don't have a problem getting just into a squad, I just can't pick which squad I join so I always end up in a squad of people I haven't met and will never meet again. If I'm in the zero-teamwork squad scattered across the map with one guy always in a plane, I might as well just not be in a squad at all and not hear them breathing into the rare mic that they have. It's not like they'll stop the jeep so I can get on the machine gun anyway.
Drachula64's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 15:00
Drachula64
Wow, am I the only one never having this problem. Me and my friends stay in the same squad for hours on end. What are YOU guys doing wrong?
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 15:04
Daxelman
Although I'd like to, I don't think I'll pick this game up until some of the issues have been fixed. Which is said, because the Frostbite engine works extremely well with this game, from what I've played of the trial.

Battlefield Heroes should have been a PSN/XBLA/ release as well as just Stand-Alone Free PC. I'd play it more if I had some friend to play with.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 15:07
Black Nexus
So I'll hold off on buying this till the patches come through, back to warhawk I guess.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 15:22
Y0j1mb0
Confirmed: Trev is a friend whore.

I'll be honest. I love the game. All the snafus you mention are there but really that doesn't take away from the fun of the game when you play it. While being with friends will multiply that fun factor by ten, I can accept it for what it is right now knowing those patches are coming.

It's 15 bucks gents... it looks good, plays GREAT and sniping a fool across a whole island just doesn't get old.
mikeyed's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 15:32
mikeyed
Really? The squad structure is what really makes the strategy in Battlefield so deep.
Trev's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 16:18
Trev
@mikeyed
Except the squad structure is trash and the game is an arcade shooter that's shallow as hell. The shallow part doesn't make the game bad, but there are 3 guns and the only objective is to stand next to any flag you choose; I can't agree to call that "deep". In warhawk, thanks to the open chat, I've been on teams where we've coordinated double airstrikes to kill turrets, clusterbombed and then staged full on tanks-and-jeeps blasting through the doors assaults on the middle desert base.

Even in a game with a squad-chat system (Killzone 2, which also lets you actually and reliably select your squadmates), you can work with other squads. I can, and have, run up to other players and talked to them with proximity chat. I've filled an area with LMG fire so an assault class guy could charge the speaker in. We both died, but we got the capture.

I like the gameplay because it's so simple, but you know what you can't do in BF1943? Any of that stuff.
norm9's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 16:31
norm9
I haven't been able to join anybody on my friend's list that I see playing this game yet.

As fun and simple as this game is, I have to say that I like World at War more.
naib's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 17:13
naib
It seems like I can hear whoever created the squad just fine. But everyone else sounds like they may as well be speaking Japanese. So that's what I've been pretending. Problem solved.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2009 23:10
SephirothX
Gamestop still doesnt have BlazBlue, Trev. *stern glare*
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